Trump Era 2025-2029 : Stock and Economic Comment

[sptrawler]

Trump is getting advised by the richest people in the US, people like Scott Bessent, who was a Wall Street financier.

You watch them fleece every cent from the middle class.

They can't afford to fleece the middle class, that has already been done, they need to give the middle class a reason to invest in stocks, the homeless and cash strapped can't.

 

[divs4ever]

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European markets are in full freakout mode and so obviously with germany being the strongest economic and manufacturing power in europe it's therefore going to fall to the germans to bear the majority of the military burden should things get ugly along the nato border.

All quite comical really.

hilarious , AND if Germany can resist total collapse the rest will fear the success of Germany and gang up on it , again

 

[Knobby22]

They can't afford to fleece the middle class, that has already been done, they need to give the middle class a reason to invest in stocks, the homeless and cash strapped can't.

% of Trump’s tax cuts to go to middle class. You tell me.

% of middle class that will end up paying more for products after including tariffs. You tell me.

Where does the money go from the tariffs? You tell me.

 

[divs4ever]

They can't afford to fleece the middle class, that has already been done, they need to give the middle class a reason to invest in stocks, the homeless and cash strapped can't.

yes they can ( fleece the middle class ) they will just cook up a different scheme to fleece the survivors

once they do that the elites are cooked .. no loyal servants , and the middle class are actively intelligent and know more than half the workings/methods of the elite ( and are uniting not struggling to distance themselves from the masses ) , hiding in a DEEP hole won't work that masses will concrete over ( or use as a rubbish dump ) the land on top up the bunkers ( maybe go looking for treasure in a thousand years or so )

remember the elite live in 'bubble worlds'

 

[divs4ever]

% of Trump’s tax cuts to go to middle class. You tell me.

% of middle class that will end up paying more for products after including tariffs. You tell me.

Where does the money go from the tariffs? You tell me.

well the ultra elite live in fancy tax structures , so they only pay a pittance , so of course a share of the tax cuts will go to the middle cuts ( the 'perceived rich ' ) and they still have some discretionary spending power

where you DON'T want the money to go is into bigger government

 

[Knobby22]

well the ultra elite live in fancy tax structures , so they only pay a pittance , so of course a share of the tax cuts will go to the middle cuts ( the 'perceived rich ' ) and they still have some discretionary spending power

where you DON'T want the money to go is into bigger government

Only if the middle class run a business....and make a profit. As we know this is becoming increasingly difficult for small enterprises to compete with big enterprise.

The tax cuts are for the top bracket and corporates. The ultra rich are forced to pay some tax within their companies.

 

[divs4ever]

Only if the middle class run a business....and make a profit. As we know this is becoming increasingly difficult for small enterprises to compete with big enterprise.

The tax cuts are for the top bracket and corporates. The ultra rich are forced to pay some tax within their companies.

the tip of the pyramid falls down without a base

( multi-level marketing proverb )

( and nothing is worse for a corporate than when low morale afflicts the low-level workers , they get nothing right and don't care about it )

 

[sptrawler]

% of Trump’s tax cuts to go to middle class. You tell me.

% of middle class that will end up paying more for products after including tariffs. You tell me.

Where does the money go from the tariffs? You tell me.

Unlike many on here, I can't answer any of those questions, as he has only been in office for 6 weeks and non of the above have actually come to fruition.
So you read the tea leaves and tell me.
While you are at it, maybe explain how the U.S was going to fund the lifestyle they had, when the per capita debt is unsustainable.

 

[Knobby22]

Unlike many on here, I can't answer any of those questions, as he has only been in office for 6 weeks and non of the above have actually come to fruition.
So you read the tea leaves and tell me.

It's his published promises. Thought you were a fan. Oh well. Thought you would know his policies. Ignorance is bliss hey! Look em up.

No tax cuts for the middle class.
No tax cuts for doctors, teachers, nurses, engineers, middle management, construction workers etc.

Who pays the bulk of the tarriffs? I'll let you work it out.

Where does the tariff money go then? Read his policies!

And I personally don't care if the US middle class get screwed yet again. It's their fault.

 

[sptrawler]

It's his published promises. Thought you were a fan. Oh well. Thought you would know his policies. Ignorance is bliss hey! Look em up.

No tax cuts for the middle class.
No tax cuts for doctors, teachers, nurses, engineers, middle management, construction workers etc.

Who pays the bulk of the tarriffs? I'll let you work it out.

Where does the tariff money go then? Read his policies!

And I personally don't care if the US middle class get screwed yet again. It's their fault.

Firstly I'm not a fan of Trump, but I am a fan of change, because the way the West has been heading IMO will lead to its collapse, printing money to maintain an unsustainable lifestyle has to end badly IMO.

Your last line sums it up perfectly.

And I personally don't care if the US middle class get screwed yet again. It's their fault.

So why get so out of shape about the U.S?

As of September 2024, the per capita debt in the United States was $75,852 ($120,000 AUS) This is based on the total national debt of the United States, which was $35.46 trillion in September 2024.

• The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the debt to GDP ratio will increase from 99% in 2024 to 116% in 2034.

How do you that get under control, without radical fiscal policy?

Then when or if you get the debt under control, how do you put structure in place to keep it under control? Maybe try and balance the books.

Well you could always get your allies to buy their arms from you, on a subscription basis, so that you have a known constant income and can grow your production?
Maybe get them to spend a certain amount of the GDP on an annual basis, then you have a known amount you could factor in to your budgets.

You could also encourage your citizens to buy home grown products where ever possible, that would increase domestic demand and therefore production and increase productivity.
Now how can could you do that? tariffs Wow that would be novel, sounds like a tax on tobacco.

You could also try and identify wastage and where possible remove it.
But that would be stupid, obviously, how do you think we got to this position in the first place? Why change.

No give everyone a tax cut, we can't afford it, but what the hell.

 

[DannyB0000]

Donald Trump threatens immense new tax on Canadian dairy, lumber

www.9news.com.au

Yesterday Canada and Mexico had an exemption from Tariffs, today Tariffs are back on the agenda for Canada. on again, off again. Since Friday Trump has changed his mind on Tariffs everyday like his underwear. He is no Hoover, at least Canada is consistent with their tariff response. Please tell me whether Trump's behaviour is normal ?, enlighten me please ???

 

[sptrawler]

Donald Trump threatens immense new tax on Canadian dairy, lumber

www.9news.com.au

Yesterday Canada and Mexico had an exemption from Tariffs, today Tariffs are back on the agenda for Canada. on again, off again. Since Friday Trump has changed his mind on Tariffs everyday like his underwear. He is no Hoover, at least Canada is consistent with their tariff response. Please tell me whether Trump's behaviour is normal ?, enlighten me please ???

That's why I don't listen to the news, it changes from the morning, to the evening every day.
If and when the tariffs are actually applied, is soon enough for me to get worried. I have to get under the car and change the oil, that's more of a concern for me, especially with my stuffed knees.

 

[TimeISmoney]

They can't afford to fleece the middle class, that has already been done, they need to give the middle class a reason to invest in stocks, the homeless and cash strapped can't.

I don't think Trump really cares about the markets, the big problem is there's a lot of retirement money tied to them and it's all going to go before it gets better. Trump is nothing but a business con man, he and his cronies will fill their pockets up and will be gone by the time America sees that they've been robbed. They've elected a criminal to run their country, the corruption is already rife, Elon is helping himself to funds like there's no tomorrow and raiding his workers' rights, all with the help of Trump.

 

[divs4ever]

It's his published promises. Thought you were a fan. Oh well. Thought you would know his policies. Ignorance is bliss hey! Look em up.

No tax cuts for the middle class.
No tax cuts for doctors, teachers, nurses, engineers, middle management, construction workers etc.

Who pays the bulk of the tarriffs? I'll let you work it out.

Where does the tariff money go then? Read his policies!

And I personally don't care if the US middle class get screwed yet again. It's their fault.

well i would have liked RFK jnr to have stood for the full race ( and Ron Paul before that ) , but the US was left with two choices .. more of the same ( or worse ) or something different

the debt was ALWAYS unsustainable probably right back at the start of Obama's reign

the middle class was very likely to get screwed either way ( one more completely than the other , which is why you have to hire devious sh*ts to do your finances and taxes , not just pay say 20% of your earnings )

BTW IF Trump can slash the regulation burden ( of the average business ) that would be better than any tax cut

 

[sptrawler]

MSN

European leaders have agreed to a significant increase in defense spending as the European Union seeks to strengthen its support for Ukraine following Donald Trump’s decision to halt U.S. military aid.

However, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán was the only EU leader who refused to back the joint statement, instead calling for a more conciliatory approach toward Moscow.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen presented a defense budget increase of €800 billion to EU leaders.

Denmark’s Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen emphasized the urgency of the situation, said before the Brussels meeting: "Spend, spend, spend on defense and deterrence. That is the most important message, and at the same time, of course, continue to support Ukraine, because we want peace in Europe."

 

[divs4ever]

MSN

European leaders have agreed to a significant increase in defense spending as the European Union seeks to strengthen its support for Ukraine following Donald Trump’s decision to halt U.S. military aid.

However, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán was the only EU leader who refused to back the joint statement, instead calling for a more conciliatory approach toward Moscow.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen presented a defense budget increase of €800 billion to EU leaders.

Denmark’s Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen emphasized the urgency of the situation, said before the Brussels meeting: "Spend, spend, spend on defense and deterrence. That is the most important message, and at the same time, of course, continue to support Ukraine, because we want peace in Europe."

and at best they will end up with civil war in Europe ,

they can't afford US weapons and they don't have much industry ( or energy ) left to make their own , and the old stuff is rusting or burning in Ukraine ( or black-marketed to Africa and the Middle-East )

 

[DannyB0000]

I think to accept what a political candidate tells you as the truth without fact checking is just plain dumb. Trump told his supporters exactly what they hear and promised to move heaven and earth in their favour, he was a lot better at selling his ideas than Harris, Biden was to old, but Trump will be a dinosaur in 2028, can't the Americans find younger candidates for the presidency ?

Anyway talk is cheap and Trump now has to deliver the goods between now and 2028 or be exposed as a fraud. I can't stand the way he waffles on about stuff and he always blames somebody else for problems.

 

[divs4ever]

I think to accept what a political candidate tells you as the truth without fact checking is just plain dumb. Trump told his supporters exactly what they hear and promised to move heaven and earth in their favour, he was a lot better at selling his ideas than Harris, Biden was to old, but Trump will be a dinosaur in 2028, can't the Americans find younger candidates for the presidency ?

Anyway talk is cheap and Trump now has to deliver the goods between now and 2028 or be exposed as a fraud. I can't stand the way he waffles on about the stuff and he always blames somebody else for problems.

i don't expect Trump to deliver all his promises , but can he deliver some or even enough to keep the Republicans in power

and there will be plenty of problems and folks he can realistically ( and truthfully ) blame , but can he overcome some of them

 

[sptrawler]

Anyway talk is cheap and Trump now has to deliver the goods between now and 2028 or be exposed as a fraud. I can't stand the way he waffles on about stuff and he always blames somebody else for problems.

That's the crux of the matter, whether he can deliver, if the U.S stays the same as it is at the moment it wont be the reserve currency in 10 - 20 years time, it will be broke.

Whereas most if not all manufactured goods will be sourced from China, therefore it stands to reason their currency will take a greater role in international transactions, as it should become a far more stable currency than the U.S currency with the U.S not being able to service their debt.

Whether Trump is likable or not really doesn't matter IMO, at least he has disrupted the status quo and woken the West up to its vulnerability.
As you say talk is cheap and time will unfortunately we will have to listen to trump for a while.

From google:
How much of world trade is processed in US dollars?
The biggest - and a very stable - footprint of the dollar is in foreign exchange transactions, almost 90 percent of which involved the currency in mid-2024.22 Jan 2025

And:

National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the article:

 

[divs4ever]

The biggest - and a very stable - footprint of the dollar is in foreign exchange transactions, almost 90 percent of which involved the currency in mid-2024.22 Jan 2025

i would disagree with that percentage BUT it is in the interests of Russia , India , China , Iran and Cuba to keep as much of their international transactions discreet/under-reported as possible