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My present partner Dharma is a Buddhist and the only time she spits mung beans is when allah is mentioned.

She'll never forgive some allah followers, the Taliban for destroying those statues in Afghanistan and for the way they treat women.

I'm not too fussed about some of allah's followers who destroyed the twin towers.

So, no, I don't think allah should be off limits on any thread in this forum.

Tony Abbott is a godbotherer but is a very tolerant fellow about other people's religious views.

gg
 
namrog said:
Sorry to side track the thread, politics and religion, I should have known better :)

Anyway back to the subject of the slimeball Abbott for PM...and what his religion has to do with it ??

Good luck with it :)
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That's a great post.

Just WTF does his religion have to with it?
 
GumbyLearner said:
That's a great post.

Just WTF does his religion have to with it?
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My point exactly, so ask kennas what he meant by his first line in post no 147, here it is----- Don't have the detail of the interview but I get the gist that TA's church going indoctination will be his downfall.

So if kennas gets the gist that Abbotts church going activities will be his downfall, all I asked is how he differs from Rudd or Howard ??
 
GumbyLearner said:
. The baby boomers can whinge and cry all they want about immigration, but there is no employment space for young locals in the professions
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Oh dear, here we go again, another opportunity for baby boomer bashing.
I'm a baby boomer, so are most of my friends. None of us whinge and cry about immigration. For god's sake, why do you have to make these ridiculous generalisations?

namrog said:
My point exactly, so ask kennas what he meant by his first line in post no 147, here it is----- Don't have the detail of the interview but I get the gist that TA's church going indoctination will be his downfall.

So if kennas gets the gist that Abbotts church going activities will be his downfall, all I asked is how he differs from Rudd or Howard ??
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And that's a quite fair question.
Perhaps because neither Rudd nor Howard that I've ever heard actually suggest they have reservations about abortion or contraception.
Neither did either of them take their religion so seriously as to enrol in the seminary.

Imo Mr Abbott - entitled though he is to his religious and moral values - should shut up about social issues such as these. His views put him well and truly in the minority and he's simply foolish if he jeopardises what small chance he has of beating Mr Rudd by publicly declaring his personal views.
 
Abortion is an interesting topic, Freakonomics gave an interesting strong correlation of the legalisation of abortion and the reduction in crime, as it suddenly became affordable for lower class mum's to have it done.

In Bali, they have a sign, don't give to beggars, as you are helping the stupid and lazy. This I believe is a Buddhist culture.

So, while some will agree that abortion gave additional rights to women (inc. the stupid and lazy), those in the middle to upper class can sleep well now, that a lot of future criminals and beggars are being terminated before birth.
 
Julia said:
Oh dear, here we go again, another opportunity for baby boomer bashing.
I'm a baby boomer, so are most of my friends. None of us whinge and cry about immigration. For god's sake, why do you have to make these ridiculous generalisations
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Well, most people 30 to 40 years younger will eventually run this country as past noble nepotistic stewards have in a new vibrant and dynamic economy. My point is get out of the way.
 
GumbyLearner said:
Well, most people 30 to 40 years younger will eventually run this country as past noble nepotistic stewards have in a new vibrant and dynamic economy. My point is get out of the way.
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Your rudeness says much about you.
I don't, however, make the mistake of assuming you are representative of your generation.
 
Julia said:
Your rudeness says much about you.
I don't, however, make the mistake of assuming you are representative of your generation.
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How am I rude?

Just don't complain love when foreigners (hard working as they are) take up the cheap paying-positions that well-educated locals who know better than the mainstay (baby-boomers) know better? Talk about circle-jerk! :rolleyes:
 
weird said:
Abortion is an interesting topic, Freakonomics gave an interesting strong correlation of the legalisation of abortion and the reduction in crime, as it suddenly became affordable for lower class mum's to have it done.

In Bali, they have a sign, don't give to beggars, as you are helping the stupid and lazy. This I believe is a Buddhist culture.

So, while some will agree that abortion gave additional rights to women (inc. the stupid and lazy), those in the middle to upper class can sleep well now, that a lot of future criminals and beggars are being terminated before birth.
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They're Hindu.
 
GumbyLearner said:
Well, most people 30 to 40 years younger will eventually run this country as past noble nepotistic stewards have in a new vibrant and dynamic economy. My point is get out of the way.
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Oh My Sainted Dylan!!! The times, they are a'changin'.

BTW, Tony Abbott is a baby boomer. We're a varied lot.

Ghoti
 
Julia said:
Perhaps because neither Rudd nor Howard that I've ever heard actually suggest they have reservations about abortion or contraception.
Neither did either of them take their religion so seriously as to enrol in the seminary.

Imo Mr Abbott - entitled though he is to his religious and moral values - should shut up about social issues such as these. His views put him well and truly in the minority and he's simply foolish if he jeopardises what small chance he has of beating Mr Rudd by publicly declaring his personal views.
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Hi Julia,

There was a good opinion piece written in The Australian today by Peter Van Osten, which you might be interested in reading. It brings some balance to the media reports and context to which his comments were made. Well worth reading.

In my opinion, the story was a great example of Abbott's background being brought to the foreground, when it really didn't require mentioning. His comments were no more or no less than what most parents would say about their children.

As Peter mentions in his article - what he said could be 100% correct, but to the media, and Labor that is not the point. With the invisible religious cloak draped over him, any comments are seen as being poisoned or agenda driven.

Duckman
 
I am not a fan of Abbott but I believe this whole thing is a massive beat up and the comments he made were reasonable. I will be saying the exact same thing to my daughters when the time comes.
 
Duckman and Boognish, yes, agree with both of you.

It seems Mr Abbott's remarks about what he'd say to his own daughters has mischievously been 'translated' by the government into "Mr Abbott expects all Australian women to be virgins until they get married".

And Catherine Lumby, media academic, who is a shameless apologist for the government, had no qualms in perpetuating the misinterpretation.

However, I still think he'd be much smarter to avoid specific answers to such questions. Not that hard to say something like "well, that's a very personal decision for each woman."
 
I don't think this hurts Abott at all. There's a growing trend among young women to go back to traditional roles. This kind of thing will strike a chord with them, whereas nothing Abbott could say would ever please foam at the mouth feminazis anyway, so why try to appease them? Howard had "equal rights" commissioners on cushy salaries, would throw the occasional bone of the feminist lobby. They never stopped hating his guts. Likewise McCain pandered to the left in the US election. Pissed off the base and they ignored him. You know the result.
 
Julia said:
Duckman and Boognish, yes, agree with both of you.

It seems Mr Abbott's remarks about what he'd say to his own daughters has mischievously been 'translated' by the government into "Mr Abbott expects all Australian women to be virgins until they get married".

And Catherine Lumby, media academic, who is a shameless apologist for the government, had no qualms in perpetuating the misinterpretation.

However, I still think he'd be much smarter to avoid specific answers to such questions. Not that hard to say something like "well, that's a very personal decision for each woman."
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With his struggle to make inroads in Rudds lead, a safety first approach to such questions would definitely seem wise Julia. :)

I must admit - I was shocked when I read the internet headlines, along exactly the same lines as you mentioned -"Abbott asks Australian women to remain virgins for marriage". :eek:
 
Duckman#72 said:
I must admit - I was shocked when I read the internet headlines, along exactly the same lines as you mentioned -"Abbott asks Australian women to remain virgins for marriage". :eek:
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I expect media headlines to be sensational distortions at best. They're only interested in reporting their version of the news.
 
Duckman#72 said:
With his struggle to make inroads in Rudds lead, a safety first approach to such questions would definitely seem wise Julia. :)

I must admit - I was shocked when I read the internet headlines, along exactly the same lines as you mentioned -"Abbott asks Australian women to remain virgins for marriage". :eek:
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It's okay for young blokes to lose their virginity, just not the women, eh?
 
Duckman#72 said:
Hi Julia,

There was a good opinion piece written in The Australian today by Peter Van Osten, which you might be interested in reading. It brings some balance to the media reports and context to which his comments were made. Well worth reading.

In my opinion, the story was a great example of Abbott's background being brought to the foreground, when it really didn't require mentioning. His comments were no more or no less than what most parents would say about their children.

As Peter mentions in his article - what he said could be 100% correct, but to the media, and Labor that is not the point. With the invisible religious cloak draped over him, any comments are seen as being poisoned or agenda driven.

Duckman
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I agree with Julia.
There are some areas politicians should keep clear of. Like funding campaigns against Pauline Hansen, promoting virginity when you are on record as promiscuous and spouting anti abortion when you haven't got a clue.
As someone else said, sometimes it better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you might be a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it.
Go Tony. If Australians vote for you, they deserve what they will get.
 
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