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Knobby22 said:
Better vote the Greens then.
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Will do ;) :D :p:

"Everyone hates Abbott" VS "Hot air Crudd" = Greens ie: Bob Brown, a man who sticks by his ideals & says what he means. Ideals that wont embarrass Australians, ideals that would make us proud to be Australian again. :)
The only problem with Green policy is their Uranium but that's minor considering the mess & hate that Abbot would cause in power with a freindly Senate or Cruddys continuing stagnation.

"Vote Green" they can't win power but they can "keep the b@stards honest" :D
 
I agree about Bob Brown sticking with his principles and being a pretty straight shooter with what he says. He's not into the weasel words and spin at all.

The problem with the Greens, though, is that they will put the environment absolutely ahead of any other consideration If saving some red bellied double tailed wombat meant ruining the economy they'd choose the wombat every time.

The big positive from the Greens imo is their liberal social stand in terms of personal choice re life and death, viz abortion, euthanasia. In social justice terms they're a world away from the nanny state of Labor.
 
Julia said:
The problem with the Greens, though, is that they will put the environment absolutely ahead of any other consideration If saving some red bellied double tailed wombat meant ruining the economy they'd choose the wombat every time.
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If the Greens utopian world is that we all live in Ba'ku style villages (Star Trek Insurrection) then there are far too many people on the planet for that option.

If saving that red bellied double tailed wombat did mean ruining the economy then issues of abortion and euthanasia would increasingly be answered by higher infant mortality and shorter life expectancy.
 
Julia said:
I agree about Bob Brown sticking with his principles and being a pretty straight shooter with what he says. He's not into the weasel words and spin at all.
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By party membership, the Greens have the highest proportion of university-educated members amongst the top few parties..

In any case, neighter major party can claim to have any sort of moral high ground considering the grubbiness of politics in the past decade or so. Family friend dealings with the Rudds shape my personal opinion that the guy is simply currupt (ignoring his mega-spin dialogue), whilst Abbott is an aggressive bully whose claim after the last election that need his "People Skills" still makes me laugh.
 
Yep good post Mofra

This will be interesting today

By-elections to give verdict on Liberal stoush

By-elections in two blue-ribbon Liberal seats today will give voters the chance to let the party know exactly what they think of Tony Abbott's elevation to Opposition Leader.

Melbourne voters are going to the polls to replace former treasurer Peter Costello in the seat of Higgins, while the northern Sydney electorate of Bradfield will replace former Opposition leader Brendan Nelson.

Although Liberals hold both seats by a comfortable margin, after the dramas in the party this week, Labor may be ruing the decision not to run candidates.

The Liberal leadership spill and the party's decision to scuttle the Government's climate change legislation has buoyed the hopes of the Greens.
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Don't have the detail of the interview but I get the gist that TA's church going indoctination will be his downfall.

Tony Abbott warns women against sex before marriage
Samantha Maiden,
Online Political Editor From: The Australian January 25, 2010 2:23PM

TONY Abbott urges women to save their virginity for marriage and reveals mixed feelings about contraception in a new interview.

After conducting a charm offensive over the summer break and rejecting suggestions his conservative social views were a turnoff to women, the Liberal leader has been subjected to a grilling in the next edition of the Australian Women's Weekly about his views on sex, marriage and his own daughters' virginity.
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'Saving yourself' had a purpose when the books were written 1500 years ago, but the world has changed.

It's even round now!

:rolleyes:
 
kennas said:
Don't have the detail of the interview but I get the gist that TA's church going indoctination will be his downfall.



'Saving yourself' had a purpose when the books were written 1500 years ago, but the world has changed.

It's even round now!

:rolleyes:
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I agree Kennas. Won't help him pull more votes at the ballot.
Maybe at the next election Aussies will become like Yanks and focus on moral issues rather than hip pocket issues?

Hip Pocket Economics issues (ETS) vs. Moral Raincoat issues (sex)?
 
GumbyLearner said:
I agree Kennas. Won't help him pull more votes at the ballot.
Maybe at the next election Aussies will become like Yanks and focus on moral issues rather than hip pocket issues?

Hip Pocket Economics issues (ETS) vs. Moral Raincoat issues (sex)?
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Australia is becoming more and more secular, I think.

But, the Baby Boomers still believe in God.

Once they stop being the majority, then the rest of us can stake our claim.

Unfortunately, the Govt wants to import voters from countires that believe in Allah. OMFG!!!

:confused:
 
kennas said:
Australia is becoming more and more secular, I think.

But, the Baby Boomers still believe in God.

Once they stop being the majority, then the rest of us can stake our claim.

Unfortunately, the Govt wants to import voters from countires that believe in Allah. OMFG!!!

:confused:
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What then makes Abbott any diferent from say rudd or howard, who didn't mind being seen carrying his little bible, and once in the company of dubya bush , even organised the photo shoot, what a couple of hipocrits ( jesus must be turning in his grave, unless he has risen of course )

Is it because Abbott is catholic...???

As for your comment re allah voters, why don't you go and incite a riot at cronulla tomorrow , you w@nker....
 
Unless he pushes for his godbothering views to be Coalition policy, does it really matter what his religious beliefs are?

It's not like he's trying to make "saving yourself" as Australian law. He even admits it would be hypocritical of himself to push that view on his own daughters, given his past.
 
namrog said:
What then makes Abbott any diferent from say rudd or howard, who didn't mind being seen carrying his little bible, and once in the company of dubya bush , even organised the photo shoot, what a couple of hipocrits ( jesus must be turning in his grave, unless he has risen of course )

Is it because Abbott is catholic...???

As for your comment re allah voters, why don't you go and incite a riot at cronulla tomorrow , you w@nker....
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Ease up namrog. If you read through Kennas posts he questions every religion. For you to make the quantum leap assumption that he is inciting a riot is just poor sampling on your own behalf.

He makes a great point about secularism though. I know plenty of well-educated expats from OZ and NZ who would be more than happy to live and work in the country of their birth. But there are not many jobs so they leave.

Recently, the NZ Guvmint have been looking at reducing income tax to keep young people working in NZ. The baby boomers can whinge and cry all they want about immigration, but there is no employment space for young locals in the professions. So immigration is required to fill the void of jobs that don't exist from people who have a piece of paper from a degree factory.

There is also a problem that many young Aussies consider a lot of work below them. Job Snobs so to speak. Plenty of migrants are willing to fill that void and work hard in lower-paying jobs. There is no blame game here, these are just the general facts.

Generally, immigration tends to drives up rents and lower wages. But hey there is no problem with giving anyone from anywhere in the world a fair go.

As long as, Krudd or Abbott don't put a carbon tax on dingers I will be more than happy. :D
 
namrog said:
What then makes Abbott any diferent from say rudd or howard, who didn't mind being seen carrying his little bible, and once in the company of dubya bush , even organised the photo shoot, what a couple of hipocrits ( jesus must be turning in his grave, unless he has risen of course )

Is it because Abbott is catholic...???

As for your comment re allah voters, why don't you go and incite a riot at cronulla tomorrow , you w@nker....
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He's entitled to his opinion.

Its still a free country.

Leave him be. I'll fight for his right to express it.

gg
 
kennas said:
Hooly dooly!! :confused:

Make a statement with the word Allah in it and you are a target!!

Lucky I didn't put a cartoon in the post. :confused:
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It wasn't your use of the word allah kennas, I couldn't give a toss about allah or any other god, but the racial undertone used in the last sentence, read it again.....

"Unfortunately, the Govt wants to import voters from countires that believe in Allah. OMFG!!! "

And what's the OMFG thing at the end about, as i assume you don't have a FG.....or maybe you're still searching.

What are the chances of an allah voter becoming PM one day, gotta be a bible basher, jew even, but never an allah follower...??

It wasn't that long ago that the idea of a black man becoming president of america was laughable to most...

Agree with most of what you say gumbylearner.....
 
namrog said:
As for your comment re allah voters, why don't you go and incite a riot at cronulla tomorrow , you w@nker....
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namrog, this is your over-reaction to Kennas post.

Just calm down mate, if you read through many threads, Kennas is the ultimate deity skeptic.

Anyway back on topic to the Boxer.

Will he be the next PM?
 
namrog said:
It wasn't your use of the word allah kennas, I couldn't give a toss about allah or any other god, but the racial undertone used in the last sentence, read it again.....

"Unfortunately, the Govt wants to import voters from countires that believe in Allah. OMFG!!! "
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OK, no reference to Allah, and races. Dinnner party over. :(
 
kennas said:
OK, no reference to Allah, and races. Dinnner party over. :(
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Sorry to side track the thread, politics and religion, I should have known better :)

Anyway back to the subject of the slimeball Abbott for PM...and what his religion has to do with it ??

Good luck with it :)
 
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