Hooray VC, now have flushed out another xenophobe.:
I guess you apply the xenophobe label to all those who don't agree with you on all things Islamic
It may have escaped your notice but the entire live cattle export trade to Indonesia (a Muslim country) was shut down due to their mistreatment of animals.
The essential point I'm making is that the relationship between a certifying agency and a supplier is not arms length, and not independent, there is a financial relationship which allows for bribery and or negligence and the consumer has little chance of finding out.
So who gets sued, the suppliers or the certification agency ?
Nuh. It's the affiliation with a religious group that I reject. Never seen it before anywhere in Australia but accept I may have been unknowingly exposed to this halal dogma. I accept the food and drug authorities of Australia which are non-religious to monitor and approve what food and drink is allowed.
I completely reject the religious affiliation these companies have made for financial gain. I care f'n not about Muslim dietary issues, dietary issues spawned of their religious scripture. The companies affiliated with the Islamic religion in Australia are off my list of products I purchase.
it's seems funny that your so apposed to halal certification, but you haven't started a thread about the Heart tick.
Can you answer me this though, would you have told the pale skinned Scottish guy in the example I gave to go home because he looked for sun screen with the cancer council approval, over one labelled as meeting Australian standards?
If anyone who comes here and doesn't trust our consumer protection laws then they have a right to lobby to change those laws, not set up a competing system that suits a particular minority instead of the whole population.
You side stepped the question then,.. would you have gone to the "he shouldn't be here then" response, if it was a white Scottish man, making a personal selection based on private certification?
Also is it just certification groups giving ticks of approval when products meet certain standards your against? or when a celebrity or sports team get paid a 100 times that amount to add credibility to a brand are you against that also?
I would tell the white Scottish man that the Certification cost on his sunglasses would be added to the price, in which case he would immediately agree that my plan was better.
Of course , sports accreditations are just a con. They get paid money, they endorse. You don't actually believe that most people would turn down a wad of cash for saying nice things about a product do you ? How do we know that Ricky Ponting actually takes his Suisse vitamins every morning or that Brett Lee really does eat Weet-Bix
Value Collector said:there was a little racism in your response
Islam is not a race as I'm sure you know. It's a religious philosophy which you have attacked either directly or by implication with your rants against religion.
What I don't like is the intrusion of religion into our society and people's lives, whether it be Jewish groups wanting to erect wires on poles so they can carry goods outside on Fridays, Christians telling me I have no right to choose the time of my own death, or Islamic wackos enslaving their followers to arcane practises and ingratiating their beliefs into our food supply. The races of the people who have those silly ideas makes no difference to me, so I'd be grateful if you removed the slur you attached to me.
And I can't help a little smile at the delicious irony of a so called "religious" person that you think I am attacking the intrusion of religion, while an avowed atheist like yourself is quite happy for it to be perpetuated throughout our society, at least if people can make a buck out of it.
Anyway, I think we have done this subject to death, but maybe we can find something else to argue about tomorrow.
And fxTrader, is this post sufficiently "apologist" for you ?
What I don't like is the intrusion of religion into our society and people's lives, whether it be Jewish groups wanting to erect wires on poles so they can carry goods outside on Fridays, Christians telling me I have no right to choose the time of my own death, or Islamic wackos enslaving their followers to arcane practises and ingratiating their beliefs into our food supply. The races of the people who have those silly ideas makes no difference to me, so I'd be grateful if you removed the slur you attached to me.
And I can't help a little smile at the delicious irony of a so called "religious" person that you think I am attacking the intrusion of religion, while an avowed atheist like yourself is quite happy for it to be perpetuated throughout our society, at least if people can make a buck out of it.
I don't think it's ironic to be an Atheist and defend people's right to practise their religion. I think that makes the person a Libertarian.
Well fine then if he supports people practising a philosophy he has described as "evil and immoral". I would hope good people would speak out against this sort of thing.
He will speak for himself about that but I don't he support in the sense of agreeing with the practice, he just support their right to practice it.
Greetings. The statement of associating with religion. I don't understand the separation of religion and practitioner. Is that what you mean?I'm the same. I personally believe religion and spirituality to be baseless and problematic - but I will defend their right not to be vilified by association.
Islam is not a race as I'm sure you know.
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It's a religious philosophy which you have attacked either directly or by implication with your rants against religion.
What I don't like is the intrusion of religion into our society and people's lives, whether it be Jewish groups wanting to erect wires on poles so they can carry goods outside on Fridays, Christians telling me I have no right to choose the time of my own death, or Islamic wackos enslaving their followers to arcane practises
And I can't help a little smile at the delicious irony of a so called "religious" person that you think I am attacking the intrusion of religion, while an avowed atheist like yourself is quite happy for it to be perpetuated throughout our society, at least if people can make a buck out of it.
Anyway, I think we have done this subject to death, but maybe we can find something else to argue about tomorrow.
I don't think it's ironic to be an Atheist and defend people's right to practise their religion. I think that makes the person a Libertarian.
Value Collector said:you also eluded that you wouldn't have said it to a white Scotsman.
Greetings. The statement of associating with religion. I don't understand the separation of religion and practitioner. Is that what you mean?
Encouraging the spread of enslaving practises like only eating certain foods or wasting your time praying 5 times a day only encourages the spread of the ideas behind those acts. If gives them a veneer of respectability which they don't deserve.
I would have if the Scotsman had strange religious views that he wanted to inculcate into our food supply.
Well fine then if he supports people practising a philosophy he has described as "evil and immoral". .
I would hope good people would speak out against this sort of thing
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