Seems to be a few words written about gouging on this thread. Are there actually any concrete reasons to believe that certifiers in Australia are behaving as a cartel through any means?
https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/cartels
No extortion racket there eh ?
Surah 2:173 states:
If one is forced because there is no other choice, neither craving nor transgressing, there is no sin on him.
Bingo.
The simple solution - ban it.
If a Muslim can't get a Halal certified product, that is ok for them. The Koran (via Mohammed) says it is no problem.
It was only thought up 1400 years ago. The Adam & Eve story explains the beginning of human species and the subsequent suffering bestowed on the ensuing humans. Note the incident was written about after intelligence developed to a stage where someone could write. The creator was a cruel entity as described below. Believe it or not, this was the story of the time.I wonder if Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit (supposedly an apple) because everything else in the garden was labelled with halal certificates.
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush[j] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[k] named his wife Eve,[l] because she would become the mother of all the living.
It was only thought up 1400 years ago. The Adam & Eve story explains the beginning of human species and the subsequent suffering bestowed on the ensuing humans. Note the incident was written about after intelligence developed to a stage where someone could write. The creator was a cruel entity as described below. Believe it or not, this was the story of the time.
Police allege the trouble began when the group began abusing counter staff because their hamburger contained bacon.
Police who were on the premises spoke to Walid Khaled about his alleged offensive behaviour. When he allegedly continued to swear, police tried to arrest him.
Police allege they were assaulted by Mouhamad Khaled and Austin, prompting them to use capsicum spray and batons.
As they attempted to restrain Mouhamad Khaled he allegedly grabbed their handcuffs and assaulted them.
He struck probationary Constable Matthew Sutherland on the head before swinging them at Senior Constable Alicia Bridges, hitting her.
Austin is charged with assaulting and hindering police, and Walid Khaled with resisting police, behaving in an offensive manner and offensive language.
Mouhamad Khaled spent four months in custody before being granted bail in the Supreme Court.
This family doesn't like bacon and flew into a rage after discovering some in a Macca's burger.
It was only thought up 1400 years ago.
The trouble is they might discover that the non-Halal certified products taste better(bit like food which is 'fat reduced' - it's also 'taste reduced') and the behaviour might become habitual (Ah the wicked pleasures of sinning ) and the religious leaders can't allow that to happen … can they?
I wonder if Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit (supposedly an apple) because everything else in the garden was labelled with halal certificates.
Quite a lot of the flavoured yoghurts we bought from major supermarkets make healthy-sounding claims of one sort or another, including ‘low fat’, ‘lite’ and so on. Most of these yoghurts in fact give you more kilojoules per serve than plain full-fat yoghurt, and some of them evenn more than YOPLAIT Original Strawberry, the top-selling full-fat flavoured yoghurt. These unexpected and unwanted kilojoules come from sugar.
Ah yes, the original hebrew source extended to the Quran version of events so contributed by that archangel Gabriel again resurfacing to pass on the the message of god. The truth is, no life creating influence would be whispering messages. Messages completely ridiculous compared to the ability of creating life where there was no life before.Not really, Halal is mostly based of the bible, the rules against eating pig etc come from the bible versus below. The rules for halal bank loans etc are also based on bible verses banning interest payments and usury,
Quoting the Bible now VC ?
One may be forgiven for thinking that you have been born again
Ah yes, the original hebrew source extended to the Quran version of events so contributed by that archangel Gabriel again resurfacing to pass on the the message of god. The truth is, no life creating influence would be whispering messages. Messages completely ridiculous compared to the ability of creating life where there was no life before.
Just letting people know the source, so they know its not just a "crazy Muslim thing", I always like to remind Christians who are against halal that if they really want to take their gods word seriously they should put down the bacon.
Its funny, the verse banning bacon is from the same chapter that bans homosexuality, talk about cherry picking.
As for me, last night i had double bacon cheese burger, it was delicious ;-)
Ah yes, but they were Old Testament books. The Jews may believe them, which is why they don't eat pork, but as the Christians are mainly New Testament they don't have such an obligation.
The Old Testament is where the Ten Commandments come from, Its really just more Christian cherry picking if they ignore the Old Testament, there is no biblical reason to ignore it, Jesus himself says none of the laws from the Old Testament will change.
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really?
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