The symbol of the Halal Certification Authority Australia

[Value Collector]

Obviously we can't control what they do in Indonesia, if their system is based on more of a cash grab than offering a real service, then obviously I would be against that.

 

[DeepState]

Seems to be a few words written about gouging on this thread. Are there actually any concrete reasons to believe that certifiers in Australia are behaving as a cartel through any means?

https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/cartels

 

[luutzu]

Seems to be a few words written about gouging on this thread. Are there actually any concrete reasons to believe that certifiers in Australia are behaving as a cartel through any means?

https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/cartels

If the Halal certifiers engage in cartel practices in Australia, then make complaints to the ACCC. That or boycott or find new markets - ship it to China or Vietnam - we Asians eat everything that's cooked right.

Let say that the Indonesian Islamic authority abuse its power over Halal certification, it's perfectly fine and fair, in my opinion, to discuss and do something about that body. To say that they abuse their influence therefore all Halal certification are corrupt and useless and unnecessary and Australians shouldn't allow it and Muslims in Australia ought to eat like real Aussies do... that's going a bit far.

There's a lot of racial undercurrent with some posts and the papers cited.

Maybe it's just me but I get the impression that some of us are upset about Halal because it appear like the Muslims are sneaking Islam into our food, forcing our suppliers to do bad things, forcing higher costs on us etc. all so they can build more Mosques to indoctrinate young terrorists and fund terrorism.

Hope I'm wrong about that. But if there's some truth to it, we're screwed because that kind of thinking will lead us to fear or hate or distrust some one quarter of humanity; which lead to us agreeing to policies and act that discriminates and oppress others, supporting policies like letting refugees - some, or most, or even all of whom might actually fled religious or political persecution.. but we won't know because we won't care... just let them rot somewhere outback because they're Muslims and who needs more of them terrorising our freedom and muck with our food.

Anyway...

 

[DB008]

No extortion racket there eh ?

Bingo.

The simple solution - ban it.

If a Muslim can't get a Halal certified product, that is ok for them. The Koran (via Mohammed) says it is no problem.

Surah 2:173 states:
If one is forced because there is no other choice, neither craving nor transgressing, there is no sin on him.

 

[Bintang]

Bingo.

The simple solution - ban it.

If a Muslim can't get a Halal certified product, that is ok for them. The Koran (via Mohammed) says it is no problem.

The trouble is they might discover that the non-Halal certified products taste better (bit like food which is 'fat reduced' - it's also 'taste reduced') and the behaviour might become habitual (Ah the wicked pleasures of sinning) and the religious leaders can't allow that to happen … can they?

I wonder if Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit (supposedly an apple) because everything else in the garden was labelled with halal certificates.

 

[Wysiwyg]

I wonder if Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit (supposedly an apple) because everything else in the garden was labelled with halal certificates.

It was only thought up 1400 years ago. The Adam & Eve story explains the beginning of human species and the subsequent suffering bestowed on the ensuing humans. Note the incident was written about after intelligence developed to a stage where someone could write. The creator was a cruel entity as described below. Believe it or not, this was the story of the time.

3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”

10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”

11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush[j] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[k] named his wife Eve,[l] because she would become the mother of all the living.

 

[Bintang]

It was only thought up 1400 years ago. The Adam & Eve story explains the beginning of human species and the subsequent suffering bestowed on the ensuing humans. Note the incident was written about after intelligence developed to a stage where someone could write. The creator was a cruel entity as described below. Believe it or not, this was the story of the time.

Wysiwyg, thanks for the sermon but I think you took my light hearted comment a bit too seriously.

 

[Wysiwyg]

This family doesn't like bacon and flew into a rage after discovering some in a Macca's burger.

Police allege the trouble began when the group began abusing counter staff because their hamburger contained bacon.
Police who were on the premises spoke to Walid Khaled about his alleged offensive behaviour. When he allegedly continued to swear, police tried to arrest him.
Police allege they were assaulted by Mouhamad Khaled and Austin, prompting them to use capsicum spray and batons.
As they attempted to restrain Mouhamad Khaled he allegedly grabbed their handcuffs and assaulted them.
He struck probationary Constable Matthew Sutherland on the head before swinging them at Senior Constable Alicia Bridges, hitting her.
Austin is charged with assaulting and hindering police, and Walid Khaled with resisting police, behaving in an offensive manner and offensive language.
Mouhamad Khaled spent four months in custody before being granted bail in the Supreme Court.

 

[Bintang]

This family doesn't like bacon and flew into a rage after discovering some in a Macca's burger.

"Mouhamad Khaled spent four months in custody before being granted bail in the Supreme Court."

This report fails to mention what he was given to eat while in custody. They should have given him bacon and water every day.

 

[Value Collector]

It was only thought up 1400 years ago.

Not really, Halal is mostly based of the bible, the rules against eating pig etc come from the bible versus below. The rules for halal bank loans etc are also based on bible verses banning interest payments and usury,


Leviticus 11:7-8 - And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.




Isaiah 66:17 - “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.




Leviticus 11:1-47 - And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these: The camel, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you. And the rock badger, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you.

 

[Calliope]

The trouble is they might discover that the non-Halal certified products taste better (bit like food which is 'fat reduced' - it's also 'taste reduced') and the behaviour might become habitual (Ah the wicked pleasures of sinning) and the religious leaders can't allow that to happen … can they?

I wonder if Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit (supposedly an apple) because everything else in the garden was labelled with halal certificates.

It is difficult to find yogurt on the shelf which is not labelled "no fat, low fat, lite or fat reduced" Take the fat out and the yogurt is tasteless pap, so they just load it up with sugar and give it a sugary fruity flavour, but;

Quite a lot of the flavoured yoghurts we bought from major supermarkets make healthy-sounding claims of one sort or another, including ‘low fat’, ‘lite’ and so on. Most of these yoghurts in fact give you more kilojoules per serve than plain full-fat yoghurt, and some of them evenn more than YOPLAIT Original Strawberry, the top-selling full-fat flavoured yoghurt. These unexpected and unwanted kilojoules come from sugar.

Read more: http://www.choice.com.au/reviews-an.../nutrition/low-fat-yoghurt.aspx#ixzz3JYsASzfc

 

[Wysiwyg]

Not really, Halal is mostly based of the bible, the rules against eating pig etc come from the bible versus below. The rules for halal bank loans etc are also based on bible verses banning interest payments and usury,

Ah yes, the original hebrew source extended to the Quran version of events so contributed by that archangel Gabriel again resurfacing to pass on the the message of god. The truth is, no life creating influence would be whispering messages. Messages completely ridiculous compared to the ability of creating life where there was no life before.

 

[SirRumpole]

Quoting the Bible now VC ?

One may be forgiven for thinking that you have been born again

 

[Value Collector]

Quoting the Bible now VC ?

One may be forgiven for thinking that you have been born again

Just letting people know the source, so they know its not just a "crazy Muslim thing", I always like to remind Christians who are against halal that if they really want to take their gods word seriously they should put down the bacon.

Its funny, the verse banning bacon is from the same chapter that bans homosexuality, talk about cherry picking.

As for me, last night i had double bacon cheese burger, it was delicious ;-)

 

[Value Collector]

Ah yes, the original hebrew source extended to the Quran version of events so contributed by that archangel Gabriel again resurfacing to pass on the the message of god. The truth is, no life creating influence would be whispering messages. Messages completely ridiculous compared to the ability of creating life where there was no life before.

Isn't that why he created us? So he could fill in his days judging us on what we eat and who we sleep with?

 

[SirRumpole]

Just letting people know the source, so they know its not just a "crazy Muslim thing", I always like to remind Christians who are against halal that if they really want to take their gods word seriously they should put down the bacon.

Its funny, the verse banning bacon is from the same chapter that bans homosexuality, talk about cherry picking.

As for me, last night i had double bacon cheese burger, it was delicious ;-)

Ah yes, but they were Old Testament books. The Jews may believe them, which is why they don't eat pork, but as the Christians are mainly New Testament they don't have such an obligation.

 

[Value Collector]

Ah yes, but they were Old Testament books. The Jews may believe them, which is why they don't eat pork, but as the Christians are mainly New Testament they don't have such an obligation.

The Old Testament is where the Ten Commandments come from, Its really just more Christian cherry picking if they ignore the Old Testament, there is no biblical reason to ignore it, Jesus himself says none of the laws from the Old Testament will change.

Also the concept of Adam and eves original sin, is from the Old Testament, without it there is no reason to sacrifice Jesus, and their whole religion breaks down, the New Testament doesn't replace the Old Testament, the the two bibles and the Quran are a trilogy, of fan fiction, I am surprised they don't come as a box set.

And As I said, they are quite happy to quote it when it suits them in an anti gay rant.

 

[Bintang]

'Vegemite products are funding terrorism'
National Party MP claims halal-certified groceries fund terror and local campaigns for Sharia law in Australia.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-christensen-uses-vegemite-to-suggest-halal-products-are-fund

The Age story reports that: "Two weeks ago, South Australian dairy producer Fleurieu Milk and Yoghurt Company was forced drop its halal certification after receiving threats on social media.
As a consequence, it's believed the company lost a $50,000 contact with Emirates."

Surely what the company can do is produce separate halal-certified items for export. And within Australia surely the solution is also to produce two sets of labelling. One with halal-certificates for the 2% of the population that want it and another without halal certification for the other 98% of the population. The halal-certified products will be more expensive. Simple 'user-pays' principle. Why should 98% of the population subsidise the cost of halal-certification for only 2% of the population.

 

[Tisme]

The Old Testament is where the Ten Commandments come from, Its really just more Christian cherry picking if they ignore the Old Testament, there is no biblical reason to ignore it, Jesus himself says none of the laws from the Old Testament will change.

.

really?

You actually read the Bible? Because I can think of a few examples of old covenants being made obsolete or spiritualised. One of them is Hebrews 8:13

 

[Value Collector]

really?

Sermon on the mount Matthew 5 17: 20,

Jesus himself says the following about the laws of the Old Testament.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven"

Jesus here is stating that Jewish law will not be changed until heaven and earth disappear,