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Just checked as advised by Boofhead and Vegemite is both Halal and Kosher, and owned by the Americans! Wait until Dick Smith hear about this.
Well, I thought it was your mission in life to talk people out of silly religious ideas, but now I find you are more interested in exploiting them for money.
You spent a lot of time ridiculing my belief in an afterlife, maybe I should be glad you didn't pose as a psychic and asked for money to contact my dead relatives.
You have zero credibility now on religious matters in my book.
There would be masses of food on the market that is both halal and kosher, for the reason of not containing any pork or pig products. I've no objection to that whatever. I have no objection to eating such food. I object to religions gaining a bounty for the official blessing of such food when people should just be able to advertise the virtues of their products without paying anyone for the privelege.
Egg companies can advertise their eggs as "free range", and some of them have been taken to court by the ACCC for false advertising. There is no "Free range eggs Certification Authority" as far as I know, because breaches of faith with the public are dealt with under legislation that applies to everyone.
To get me to agree that halal certification should be stopped, you have to show that it either infringes on the rights of others or causes harm.
I have showed why it should be opposed,
why it is unnecessary
,and why it is an intrusion of religion into secular laws
I intend not to buy any officially sanctioned religious goods for those reasons.
How so?
Really, your giving up vegemite?
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We have been through all this before
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Certification doesn't intrude on false advertising laws, it just puts another set of eyes out their looking for it, and also helps those that want to comply actually go through the steps needed to make sure they are complying and don't end up making false claims.
Religions are quite entitled to put out a statement of standards if they want to, and companies can advertise that they are conforming to those standards. Why should they have to pay for an "official blessing". .
Our laws and market are quite capable of ensuring compliance with standards. If Halal certification can add nothing to the current law and market system, then they are in fact receiving money for nothing. Hence the extortion claim
Value Collector said:I am growing tired of your circular nature of your dishonest arguments, No is saying the "Have to", some companies just "choose to".
And I am growing tired of your hypocrisy.
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You say that enslaving people with religious doctrine is evil and immoral,
but you don't mind that religion controls a sector of a market with bogus claims that they will be punished by God if they eat "unholy" food,
and then charges business a fee for access to that market
Don't give me that freedom of religion stuff any more.
show me where I am guilty of hypocrisy? My position has never changed.
Hypocrisy.
Religion is evil and immoral, except when we can make a buck out of it.
What would you say if the Catholic church started running brothels ?
Why don't you spend some time following your stated position on religion by explaining to people if you think they are being enslaved by bogus claims about "unholy" food
Value Collector said:I would like to talk people out of holding religious beliefs, but I don't want to infringe on their rights to practice it, or their right to maintain traditional practices absent of belief.
Well I see the whole religious certification idea as too similar to a protection racket.
You get a few vandals to damage some buildings and then extract money off tenants to see that it doesn't happen again.
The problem of course, is that there was no need for protection in the first place, because the people receiving the "consultation fees" caused the original problem.
I know you see it that way, but its not like that at all.
QUEENSLAND abattoirs are being slugged thousands of dollars a month through a religious levy on meat exports so powerful Muslim clerics in Jakarta can raise money for Islamic schools and mosques.
The Halal certification fees can cost some meat processors up to $27,000 a month.
The Indonesian Council of Ulama (MUI), the top Islamic body which orders fatwa religious rulings, has even banned a Brisbane business from operating - because it was not charging Queensland abattoirs enough to give the religious tick-off to export meat.
The scandal has stopped most of Queensland's Halal meat exports to Indonesia, as angry abattoir operators boycott the more expensive Halal certifiers endorsed by the MUI.
Australian companies that certify meat as Halal, or legal under Islamic law, must be accredited with Indonesia's MUI - which approves just one certifier per state or territory.
The MUI has suspended Brisbane based Australian Halal Food Services (AHFS) for engaging in "unfair competition'' that could "weaken (the) Halal certification movement".
Certifiers must donate a share of their revenue to mosques and Islamic schools.
AHFS - which refused to comment on Saturday - sponsors the As-Salaam Institute of Islamic Studies, based in Eight Mile Plains. It has also spent funds repairing and maintaining mosques in Rochedale and Rockhampton.
One big Queensland meat processor, which did not want to be identified, claimed it had been quoted $27,000 a month in Halal certification fees through another MUI-endorsed certifier - four times more than AHFS had been charging
Is the Muslim/Halal certification actually Government recognised? Or is it a self regulating unit?
Religious levy costs Queensland abattoirs thousands each month
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/religious-levy-costs-queensland-abattoirs-thousands-each-month/story-fnihsrf2-1226743106235?nk=18872c2f54e99acbb1000e4e8c46ea9c
Religious levy costs Queensland abattoirs thousands each month
Is the Muslim/Halal certification actually Government recognised? Or is it a self regulating unit?
Religious levy costs Queensland abattoirs thousands each month
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/religious-levy-costs-queensland-abattoirs-thousands-each-month/story-fnihsrf2-1226743106235?nk=18872c2f54e99acbb1000e4e8c46ea9c
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