The state of the economy at the street level

[Value Collector]

This is the most bulls--hit comment that you have ever written, are you high, pissed or just otherwise incapable of making a valid statement.

I thought Australia was getting dumber, now I believe it

Are you saying that population growth has nothing to do with people having children???

 

[qldfrog]

1. Agree, raise the higher, it is the property of the country
2. They don't pay any tax
1&2 go to making a few very wealthy without paying any tax on resources that are Australians.

3. Take the miners less, they are workers.

The big four banks (Commonwealth Bank, Westpac, NAB, and ANZ), two biggest miners (BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto), two supermarket giants (Wesfarmers, Woolworths), and Telstra and AMP Limited paid a combined $20.8bn in corporate tax in 2016-17 – representing 45% of all corporate tax paid in Australia.

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So put in perspective, do you think you could find enough employees who earnt $15B like Qantas and paid no tax.

I look at this list and say
F---K
Qantas
Exxon
Glencore
Origin - actually f---k them even more
Shell
etc etc etc

always so funny that my one man company pay taxes much higher than Glencore with income well below 6 figures

 

[Value Collector]

1. Agree, raise the higher, it is the property of the country
2. They don't pay any tax
1&2 go to making a few very wealthy without paying any tax on resources that are Australians.

3. Take the miners less, they are workers.

The big four banks (Commonwealth Bank, Westpac, NAB, and ANZ), two biggest miners (BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto), two supermarket giants (Wesfarmers, Woolworths), and Telstra and AMP Limited paid a combined $20.8bn in corporate tax in 2016-17 – representing 45% of all corporate tax paid in Australia.

View attachment 98183

So put in perspective, do you think you could find enough employees who earnt $15B like Qantas and paid no tax.

I look at this list and say
F---K
Qantas
Exxon
Glencore
Origin - actually f---k them even more
Shell
etc etc etc

Take a look at the cashflow statements of Bhp Fmg And rio, and you will see they pay ship loads of tax, as do their employees

 

[Value Collector]

There is also immigration which we didn't ask for.

Do you forget you are here as the result of immigration? I don’t think the indigenous Australians asked your family to move here. (No doubt at some stage your family decided to leave the overpopulated shores of Europe and head for a land of opportunity and “boundless plains to share”)

We are one of the least densely populated countries on earth, it’s a bit rich to complain about us being over populated, when almost every other nation on earth has populations living more densely than us.

I see absolutely no difference between an immigrant wanting to move here and someone wanting to have a child.

Infact allowing the existing global population to spread out is probably less troublesome than breeding more humans into existence.

 

[SirRumpole]

Do you forget you are here as the result of immigration? I don’t think the indigenous Australians asked your family to move here. (No doubt at some stage your family decided to leave the overpopulated shores of Europe and head for a land of opportunity and “boundless plains to share”)

We are one of the least densely populated countries on earth, it’s a bit rich to complain about us being over populated, when almost every other nation on earth has populations living more densely than us.

I see absolutely no difference between an immigrant wanting to move here and someone wanting to have a child.

Infact allowing the existing global population to spread out is probably less troublesome than breeding more humans into existence.

What was good before isn't necessarily good now. Yours is a false argument. We don't NEED more people at this time because their is less demand for labour with mechanisation and globalisation.

As for population density, do you want to turn us into Shanghai or another Asian slum city ?

 

[Smurf1976]

We are one of the least densely populated countries on earth

I think there's a difference here between the country as a whole versus the cities particularly Sydney and Melbourne.

For whatever reason, be it supply and demand or something else, land in Sydney is seriously expensive these days and it's not hugely better in Melbourne. That high cost is then forcing otherwise non-preferred courses of action and costs.

What, exactly, does Sydney gain by having 5 million people instead of having 3 million? And how will it gain by having 8 million?

I could be wrong, I don't have hard data, but the way it looks to me is that there's an optimum size for a city and that the big two have passed that. Further growth seems to be leading to disproportionate increases in costs, both direct financial ones and in terms of time etc, for things like transport, water, housing and so on.

Instead of one city of 8 million, would two cities of 4 million each not be better?

 

[SirRumpole]

We are one of the least densely populated countries on earth, it’s a bit rich to complain about us being over populated, when almost every other nation on earth has populations living more densely than us.

35% of the country is desert and 70% is classified as arid. We can only support a certain number of people and we are getting close to that number.

 

[qldfrog]

Do you forget you are here as the result of immigration? I don’t think the indigenous Australians asked your family to move here. (No doubt at some stage your family decided to leave the overpopulated shores of Europe and head for a land of opportunity and “boundless plains to share”)

We are one of the least densely populated countries on earth, it’s a bit rich to complain about us being over populated, when almost every other nation on earth has populations living more densely than us.

I see absolutely no difference between an immigrant wanting to move here and someone wanting to have a child.

Infact allowing the existing global population to spread out is probably less troublesome than breeding more humans into existence.

This means you see all cultures as equals and beneficial to mankind so 2 Pakistanese kids in a slum as good or bad for mankind as 2 kids in Norway
Nice in theory but you need a bit more life experience to see the real world reality
But true :migration or birth still count as one extra Mouth
With proper selective migration, you bring in above average people, education, health and skills but this has been finished a long time ago.
Now migration is just more people to push the RE bubble

 

[tinhat]

Do you forget you are here as the result of immigration? I don’t think the indigenous Australians asked your family to move here. (No doubt at some stage your family decided to leave the overpopulated shores of Europe and head for a land of opportunity and “boundless plains to share”)

We are one of the least densely populated countries on earth, it’s a bit rich to complain about us being over populated, when almost every other nation on earth has populations living more densely than us.

I see absolutely no difference between an immigrant wanting to move here and someone wanting to have a child.

Infact allowing the existing global population to spread out is probably less troublesome than breeding more humans into existence.

Not enough water. Life needs light (&/or heat), water, air and earth.

 

[Value Collector]

35% of the country is desert and 70% is classified as arid. We can only support a certain number of people and we are getting close to that number.

You could plonk another city the size of Sydney in coffee harbor easy,


We have heaps of space up and down Australia’s coastline forget about the arid areas.

 

[Value Collector]

Not enough water. Life needs light (&/or heat), water, air and earth.

We have heaps of water, just not enough infrastructure, with water recycling we could probably triple out available water.

 

[Value Collector]

This means you see all cultures as equals and beneficial to mankind so 2 Pakistanese kids in a slum as good or bad for mankind as 2 kids in Norway
Nice in theory but you need a bit more life experience to see the real world reality
But true :migration or birth still count as one extra Mouth
With proper selective migration, you bring in above average people, education, health and skills but this has been finished a long time ago.
Now migration is just more people to push the RE bubble

I just take a more global approach to my thinking.

I don’t see that Pakistani kid born into a slum as being any less deserving of enjoying the Aussie life as a child that a couple here decided to give birth too.

So I see it as kind of a responsibility to accept migrants, and help share the load.

We better or worse we are all stuck here on “space ship earth”, if 0.3% of us try and hog 10% of the space and resource on this space ship, you can expect a mutiny.

 

[Value Collector]

35% of the country is desert and 70% is classified as arid. We can only support a certain number of people and we are getting close to that number.

28% of China is desert,

The Middle East is is mostly desert has 10 times the population of australia.

What’s your point?

 

[SirRumpole]

28% of China is desert,

The Middle East is is mostly desert has 10 times the population of australia.

What’s your point?

The point is that the more people you cram together the less your standard of living is.

If you want to live in an over populated slum, then go and live in the Middle East.

Why should we reduce our living standards just because other countries can't control their population growth ?

Australia is not the world's dumping ground.

 

[Value Collector]

The point is that the more people you cram together the less your standard of living is.

If you want to live in an over populated slum, then go and live in the Middle East.

Why should we reduce our living standards just because other countries can't control their population growth ?

Australia is not the world's dumping ground.

The human population has been spreading out since we walked out of Africa 100,000 years ago.

I didn’t say I was in favor of growing the global population, I am actually for reducing it over time, I just think it’s a bit crazy (and probably immoral), not to share the land and resources we have here.

Wasn’t Australia born as England’s “dumping ground”?

Saying you want to let a young family continue living in a slum in Bangladesh, because having an extra family home in Coffs Harbour or bundaberg would cramp the style of the locals seems crazy to me.

Hell, I don’t have anymore loyalty to the residents of Coffs Harbour than I do Cuba, both are strangers to me, and I want both to live well, I am not going to say the Coffs Harbour residents should reduce their standard of living by 1% to help lift some else’s by 99%

 

[SirRumpole]

Hell, I don’t have anymore loyalty to the residents of Coffs Harbour than I do Cuba, both are strangers to me, and I want both to live well, I am not going to say the Coffs Harbour residents should reduce their standard of living by 1% to help lift some else’s by 99%

Yes well a lot of people say that until it personally affects them.

Like their property getting resumed for a new highway or apartment blocks or imported criminals moving into their neighborhood.

 

[Value Collector]

Yes well a lot of people say that until it personally affects them.

Like their property getting resumed for a new highway

Well, there are a lot worse things they could be asked to endure for the greater good.

Some people get conscripted to go and fight and end up losing arms or legs, so complaining about some one some where maybe having to move a few kilometers from where they live now, to ensure the rest of society has benefits for decades is a bit lame.

imported criminals moving into their neighborhood.

Criminals? It’s just as likely to be an imported surgeon, dentist or engineer.

 

[qldfrog]

Criminals? It’s just as likely to be an imported surgeon, dentist or engineer.

I think even the leftest greenies were stopping using that nonsense
It has become a popular joke in France
Feel free to find any number to even tell me that the proportion is the same as the host country
Were you not in london lately?
The only point i would agree with is that a newborn is still an extra mouth and we definitively do not need population growth on earth

 

[Value Collector]

I think even the leftest greenies were stopping using that nonsense
It has become a popular joke in France
Feel free to find any number to even tell me that the proportion is the same as the host country
Were you not in london lately?
The only point i would agree with is that a newborn is still an extra mouth and we definitively do not need population growth on earth

Yeah, I was in London, then Cambridge, today I am in York, what’s your point?

One thing I did notice about London, which I also notice in Sydney, Los Angles and pretty much every where, the people doing the jobs most of us would hate to do, are not normally white, and English is not normally their first language.

But, the people that tend to want to start trouble (atleast in my experience) are young white grubs.

 

[PZ99]

Some people get conscripted to go and fight and end up losing arms or legs, so complaining about some one some where maybe having to move a few kilometers from where they live now, to ensure the rest of society has benefits for decades is a bit lame.

Ask yourself why Aussie diggers were conscripted to fight and you'll see the flaw in your argument.

It sure as hell wasn't for the greater good of Cuban immigrants