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The state of the economy at the street level
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Not so sure about yesterday's gangs.
I have done a bit of contract work (not the gun type) for a couple of locals. over the years.
On their own pretty good average Joe's. Different when they congregate.
And of course their is never a bill to be seen. Just folding, and you haven't seen anything have you.
Nan blind as a bat.
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Not even at the age where a penalty would be a deterrent. 14 years old.
Parents should be dragged into court and face a penalty that fits the crime of their sh*tbag offspring.
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...and that may induce better parenting.
However from a personal perspective, I do feel for even the best intentioned parents that could and do have offspring that are tainted in some way. We all know kids are often driven and influenced by their peers, ego's, bravado/showing off, looking for acceptance etc, etc.
Sadly and I've known a few, some of these kids just have a bad streak inbuilt and no amount of guidance, kindness, mentorship, patience can "fix" these individuals.
These poor lost souls have either ended up in the care of "correctional" institutions, opted out of life by various means or fly under the radar.
Some do benefit from medication but woe are we if they don't take their meds.
The parents of said kids, after exhausting the avenues of help, have been through enough and making them pay for something that is clearly beyond their control, well, that doesn't sit well with me.
Australia crime gangs are probably outsized by the part time mum and dad groups. Or the kids earning cash on the side. There's a lot of normal people involved. Organised crime doesn't look that organised for any length of time. Groups generally have limited shelf lives. But some of the mum and dads been out there for 30 years.
In my last business we had a visit from a woman who was leaving town, she dropped in to say goodbye with her young kids in tow.
The reason she was leaving was that her eldest son now 16, was being released from the "home" and she was terrified of him because she was the one who tried to get him some help to control his anger.
All the other kids were nice as were Mum and Dad.
Dad was staying as he had a job but he used to lock his bedroom door at night and sleep with a knife under the pillow.
He hoped to get the son into a course or some treatment to regain some sanity,
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Why was he so "angry" though?
This stuff always goes so so so so much deeper than it appears on the surface. Were they abusive bastard parents? Was he a crack baby and his brain/hormonal system never developed properly?
It's very rare for a child to be a total piece of work without the parents also being so. Apple falling far from the tree and all of that.
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This is also known as "houso's make more houso's".
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Many families look normal on the outside but sinister things hide on the inside. The parents don't see it as anything but normal because that's the way they were treated as adolescents. It's not always the case though, sometimes it's just kids mixing with the wrong crowds and everything spirals out of control.
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Exactly! Hence us needing the full story/picture.
If the kid wants to kill his parents there must be a reason.
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True.
Our families are okay, notwithstanding one or two freaking psychos, but this is so true, we are privy to some truly dire situations that look like it's all beer and skittles from the outside.
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Generalisations help no one.
We have no information about the person described by Macca, so trying to create a scenario where blame can be apportioned is symptomatic of society today.
Talk to the odd social worker, or school teacher, or policeman, and they will tell you of numerous individuals who are products of good homes but turn on society, just as there are numerous examples of kids who come from "the home from hell", but manage to rise above it all and become great citizens.
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Na doesn't matter the household. A lot of it is because the parents weren't attentive in the formative years. Makes you wonder if it grows more since everyone works. Poor households can't do much about it though.
Schizophrenics will try and kill family. I've known a few and they go through some episodes of trying to kill family and friends.
Schizophrenics will try and kill family. I've known a few and they go through some episodes of trying to kill family and friends.
This was about 20 years ago and today he would be classified as being ODD in the autism spectrum and hopefully with early intervention it could be moderated
Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) - Symptoms and causes
www.mayoclinic.org
As mentioned before, my wife has worked in the disability field for decades and I can assure you that, unfortunately, some people are just out of control
There are quite a few people that need two people to care for them 24/7 , many are incapacitated but there are others that are very dangerous people.
Not far from where I live, a person my wife knows well has a son (38) who lives in his room for 28 days a month. His parents place his food on a table outside his bedroom door each mealtime, knock and walk away.
He will attack anyone who enters his room, yet when it is time for his monthly respite he will come out of his room, dressed, with a packed bag ready to go.
They then have 2 days to clean his room etc and when he returns he goes into his room and stays there until next month.
I know another who has attacked his father with an axe, another who will bash anyone who says No to him, they do exist and their parents love them dearly and would do anything to help them recover but to no avail.
Every parent looks at their young children and hope they have a good life but there are quite a few parents that have a 40 year old baby they are still caring for when they are 65.
It is a very tough gig caring for someone every second of every day for the rest of your life but as parents that's what some people are doing right now.
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That is a given, it is only a matter of time.
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Our new culture, where the young are taught to not own their bad decisions and choices, the poor outcome is always someone else's fault, or a fault of the system.
These days it is never just a poor choice or a bad or lazy decision, people don't make them anymore. Lol
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ADHD meds spring to mind, on the street they are known as baby speed, legalised drugs apparently.
Yep, we have all seen families that let the kids raise themselves, it can be parental lifestyle, it can be a cultural thing, it can be a new age touchy feely thing or it can be laziness.
Once we have been around awhile we see the same things being repeated and know pretty well what the results will be but NO parents like to be told how to raise their kids, do they!
Some parents even chastise the Grandparents for saying No to the kids, it will cause Psychological damage and negative thoughts..................................
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No matter what, At14 to whatever age is the legal one these parents should be held accountable.
If it was you or a close family member being attacked by these "troubled souls" what size stick would you be taking hold of.
I know which one I would be using and with relish
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We had a local Sgt doing his retirement stint here about 10-12 years.
Had a family that the parents had no desire to control.
Just kids doing kids things.
Yeah, right. Stealing etc etc.
First he tackled the offspring, amazing what prolonged pain can achieve, and then the parents got to see a bright light also.
Not too long after that they decided to move out of the area.
Well there the classic where the bloke murdered his mother recently for her life insurance so as to keep the bimbo he was hooked up with in the lifestyle to which she had become accustomed to.
He now resides in the House of Detention, and she I guess is looking for another fool to keep her in the style she craves.
The way it was is no longer permissable, if a parent hits a child they can be charged with assault, if a copper hits a child the cop will be suspended.
If a curfew is enforced a 14 year old child can leave home and receive Govt support plus somewhere to live
Parents are torn between trying to steer kids in the right direction but limiting the restrictions.
Without a phone kids are ostracised, with a phone they can be bullied, they can go online and see anything they want. They then think that what they see is normal behaviour.
Stupid online challenges are passed around, do it and be cool, don't do it and be bullied
In the meantime, many teachers encourage kids to question authority, they deliberately lie to children about health and climate change, some deliberately encourage children to their sexual orientation
Being a parent in todays world is a tough job with do gooders sticking their noses in everywhere, even including your kid's lunch box
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