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Yeah, it’s been a long time stupid tax. Not only does it affect the business, it’s an inefficient tax that affects everyone indirectly.


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It was one of the taxes the States said the would remove, when they voted for GST, then reneged, so they get the GST and kept the payroll tax.
From memory stamp duty was another tax they were meant to remove.
 
It was one of the taxes the States said the would remove, when they voted for GST, then reneged, so they get the GST and kept the payroll tax.
From memory stamp duty was another tax they were meant to remove.
How about the Recording Tax we have here in WA on Vehicle Licence Renewals.
Was supposed to be only for a couple of years to pay for the Commonwealth and Empire Games back in 1962.
 
It's really weird out there. I'm seeing turnover. But I don't think anyone is making good.
margins are getting squeezed ( in most cases ), so less profits to be spent or re-invested , therefore reducing liquidity ( velocity of money )

now many will reduce costs ( outgoings ) as they see best ( further reducing the velocity of money )

not so weird if you have lived through the '70s and '80s but of course the 'recession ' hasn't been declared yet ( in Australia )
 
It's really weird out there. I'm seeing turnover. But I don't think anyone is making good.
I'm seeing it on this cruise, there isn't the same amount of drinking going on, the prices have been cranked up and people just aren't buying.

Can of VB stubbie of Corona etc $8US, not many were buying, so now it is $9US, I really don't know why they thought that would help.:rolleyes:
 
margins are getting squeezed ( in most cases ), so less profits to be spent or re-invested , therefore reducing liquidity ( velocity of money )

now many will reduce costs ( outgoings ) as they see best ( further reducing the velocity of money )

not so weird if you have lived through the '70s and '80s but of course the 'recession ' hasn't been declared yet ( in Australia )
The CBA put out a report recently where they said most of the money that came from tax custs for the middle class and up were being deposited into offset accounts for mortgages,
Its something else that is reducing the velocity of money.
Money supply in OZ has increased since July.
If the CBA is correct, and the house owners feel more confident that rates are coming down, some of that money may be returned into spending, which will add to any existing inflationary pressures.
Mick
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I'm seeing it on this cruise, there isn't the same amount of drinking going on, the prices have been cranked up and people just aren't buying.

Can of VB stubbie of Corona etc $8US, not many were buying, so now it is $9US, I really don't know why they thought that would help.:rolleyes:
Who the hell would buy a beer at $9us or nearly 14aud?
Unless water is more expensive....
 
I'm seeing it on this cruise, there isn't the same amount of drinking going on, the prices have been cranked up and people just aren't buying.

Can of VB stubbie of Corona etc $8US, not many were buying, so now it is $9US, I really don't know why they thought that would help.:rolleyes:
I'm seeing bootleg stuff getting around. $20 for spirits in large bottles. Kids are using drugs rather than drinking as its cheaper. Government is bloody pricing people out of the market.
We need to see massive cuts among government departments.
 
The CBA put out a report recently where they said most of the money that came from tax custs for the middle class and up were being deposited into offset accounts for mortgages,
Its something else that is reducing the velocity of money.
Money supply in OZ has increased since July.
If the CBA is correct, and the house owners feel more confident that rates are coming down, some of that money may be returned into spending, which will add to any existing inflationary pressures.
Mick
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I wonder how much temu is disrupting physical business. I know a lot of the youth spend directly on temu. It's pretty cheap. It will change the landscape.

I bought some stuff off of there and it's generally the same cheap sht you get out of our shops.
 
I'm seeing bootleg stuff getting around. $20 for spirits in large bottles. Kids are using drugs rather than drinking as its cheaper. Government is bloody pricing people out of the market.
We need to see massive cuts among government departments.
They are taxing their way out of trouble, the problem with that is, eventually working becomes an expensive way to live.

It isn't only Australia that has the problems, I think most Western countries are in the same boat.

I took these photo's a couple of days ago, while on holidays, it is obviously becoming touch and go whether it's worth going to work.

The photo's are of a Maccas and a 7/11 store, but most of the shops were screaming for workers.

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They are taxing their way out of trouble, the problem with that is, eventually working becomes an expensive way to live.

It isn't only Australia that has the problems, I think most Western countries are in the same boat.
I took these photo's a couple of days ago, while on holidays, it is obviously becoming touch and go whether it's worth going to work.
The photo's are of a Maccas and a 7/11 store, but most of the shops were screaming for workers.

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A lot of it is permanent part time. No one can live on those wages right now. I'm not sure if the current employment laws around firing people is the issue or not around giving people more hours?
But there's a lot of working poor that have 3 jobs and are just scraping by.
 
A lot of it is permanent part time. No one can live on those wages right now. I'm not sure if the current employment laws around firing people is the issue or not around giving people more hours?
But there's a lot of working poor that have 3 jobs and are just scraping by.
That's exactly what I was meaning, are you better off on social housing and welfare, than working and paying full whack for most things, plus probably running a car? When rent and overheads are factored in it must be touch and go in a lot of situations.

By the way those rates are in U.S dollars.
 
A lot of it is permanent part time. No one can live on those wages right now. I'm not sure if the current employment laws around firing people is the issue or not around giving people more hours?
But there's a lot of working poor that have 3 jobs and are just scraping by.

Our governments answer is to force wage increases. But all that does is push people into the next tax bracket, increase inflation, force business and government services to increase prices of goods and service.

It's a vicious circle that only government can fix by reducing taxes by a significant amount.

Some of the many taxes -

Social security contributions​

There are no social security taxes in Australia. However, a levy is imposed on taxable income and reportable fringe benefits of residents for the funding of a National Health Scheme (Medicare). The Medicare levy is currently 2%. No levy is payable by those with taxable income below the relevant low income thresholds.

A surcharge of between 1% and 1.5% applies to high income taxpayers where the taxpayer and their dependants are not covered by a private health insurance fund registered in Australia that provides basic hospital cover.

Both employers and foreign nationals working in Australia should take care in choosing a health fund which both qualifies for the exemption from the Medicare levy surcharge and provides adequate cover because it is possible to have a policy that provides full cover but does not also exempt the policy holder (and their family members) from the surcharge and vice versa. Proper advice should be sought from a tax expert to ensure that the policy covers both aspects.

Superannuation and retirement taxation​

Employer supported and self-employed contributions to 'complying' superannuation entities and retirement savings accounts (RSAs) in Australia play a role similar to that of social security levies. The retirement benefits provided by these superannuation entities (which are independent of government, but have to comply with regulations so they are 'complying') are in addition to a means-tested age pension that is provided by the federal government.

The rules governing the taxation of superannuation entities are complex. Below is a brief summary of the current law.

Employers must contribute a set minimum percentage of the employee's earnings base, subject to limited exceptions, to a complying superannuation fund on behalf of their employees or be liable to a superannuation guarantee (SG) charge. The SG percentage is 11% until 30 June 2024, increases to 11.5% from 1 July 2024, and will increase to 12% from 1 July 2025.

It is usually tax effective (subject to certain limits) for employees to forgo or 'sacrifice' part of their salary to allow employer superannuation contributions on their behalf above this minimum. There is no limit to the amount of contributions that can be claimed as a deduction. However, there are limits on the amount that can be contributed per individual per income year that are eligible to receive concessional (favourable) tax treatment. Concessional superannuation contributions can be made on behalf of an individual up to AUD 30,000 (AUD 27,500 for the year ended 30 June 2024). Individuals with superannuation balances of less than AUD 500,000 also have the ability to carry forward unused concessional contributions from up to the five previous financial years and use the amounts to make additional concessional contributions during a particular financial year.

Individuals can also make non-concessional contributions to a superannuation fund (i.e. contributions that are not deductible). The annual non-concessional contribution cap is AUD 120,000 (AUD 110,000 up to 30 June 2024), subject to a three-year bring forward rule for those individuals aged under 75 years. The non-concessional cap is nil if the individual has a total superannuation balance greater than or equal to AUD 1.9 million as at 30 June 2024.

Individuals aged 55 years or over can use the proceeds from the sale of their eligible main residence to make ‘downsizer contributions’, limited to the lesser of AUD 300,000 and their share of the sale proceeds. These contributions are not tax deductible and can be made regardless of other contribution caps and voluntary contribution restrictions.

Generally, concessional contributions made to complying superannuation funds together with the fund's earnings are subject to tax at the rate of 15% payable by the fund. The concessional rate of tax on contributions is effectively limited such that concessional contributions made in respect of individuals with combined taxable income, total net investment losses, reportable fringe benefits, and concessionally taxed superannuation contributions exceeding AUD 250,000 are subject to additional tax at 15% on those contributions that exceed the threshold.

Under the First Home Super Saver Scheme, an individual can apply to release voluntary superannuation contributions, along with associated earnings, to help purchase their first home, subject to meeting certain eligibility requirements. Concessional tax treatment applies to amounts withdrawn under the scheme.

Generally, all superannuation benefits received by an individual aged 60 or over are tax-free where those benefits are paid from a taxed source. However, the tax treatment of other superannuation benefits may depend on factors such as the components of the benefit, the amount of the benefit, the age of the member when the benefit is received, and whether the benefit is received as a lump sum or as a superannuation income stream.

Certain superannuation income streams are subject to minimum drawdown rates.

The government is proposing to introduce an additional tax imposed on the individual who has a total superannuation balance above AUD 3 million. The tax will apply from 1 July 2025 at the rate of 15% on the member’s 'earnings' (i.e. the proportional increase in the total superannuation balance above AUD 3 million) from funds.

Consumption taxes​

The federal government levies goods and services tax (GST) at a rate of 10%. The GST is a value added tax (VAT) applied at each level in the manufacturing and marketing chain. It applies to most goods and services, and registered suppliers get credits for GST on inputs acquired to make taxable supplies. Supplies of digital currency receive equivalent GST treatment to supplies of money.

Food, with some significant exceptions, exports, most health, medical, feminine hygiene products, educational supplies, and some other supplies are 'GST-free' (the equivalent of 'zero-rated' in other VAT jurisdictions). A registered supplier of a GST-free supply can recover relevant input tax credits, although the supply is not taxable.

Residential rents, the second or later supply of residential premises, most financial supplies, and some other supplies are 'input-taxed' ('exempt' in other VAT jurisdictions) and are not subject to GST. However, the supplier cannot recover relevant input tax credits, except for financial suppliers who may obtain a reduced input tax credit of 75% of the GST on the acquisition of certain services.

Health insurance is GST-free, life insurance is input taxed, and general insurance is taxed. 'Reverse charges' may apply to services or rights supplied from offshore, where the recipient is registered or required to be registered, and uses the supply solely or partly for a non-creditable supply.

GST applies to cross-border supplies of digital products and services imported by Australian consumers. GST is payable on certain supplies of low value goods (valued at AUD 1,000 or less) that are purchased by consumers and are imported into Australia.

Purchasers of ‘new residential premises’ or ‘potential residential land included in a property subdivision plan’ are required to withhold and remit to the ATO an amount on account of GST.

Inheritance, estate, and gift tax​

Australia does not have inheritance, estate or gift taxes. However, special tax rules apply to:

  • the transfer of assets to a beneficiary from a deceased estate for capital gains tax purposes and
  • the transfer of superannuation entitlements to beneficiaries of a deceased person.

Property taxes​

All the states and territories of Australia impose land taxes on landowners based on the unimproved value of the land they hold, subject to certain exemption thresholds, exemptions for a principal residence, and land used for certain purposes. Municipal councils also levy rates and other charges on land within their municipalities.

Some Australian states impose a duty or land tax surcharge on certain Australian real estate holdings of a 'foreign person', which generally includes a foreign natural person, corporation, or trustee of a foreign trust. In addition, there is an annual vacancy fee imposed at the Federal level on a foreign owner of Australian residential property that is essentially vacant for at least half of a year and that was acquired at any time since 7:30 pm AEST 9 May 2017 (see Other issues section for further information).

The state of Victoria has a windfall gains tax that applies to the increase in value of land in Victoria of at least AUD 100,000 that results from a rezoning that takes effect on or after 1 July 2023, subject to certain transitional arrangements.

Excise duties​

Excise duties are imposed at high levels on beer, spirits, liqueurs, tobacco, cigarettes, and petroleum products. Excise rates for tobacco and alcohol are indexed biannually based on movements in the consumer price index (CPI) (although there is a one-off increase of 5% per year for three years in addition to normal indexation for tobacco from 1 September 2023).

A fuel tax credit system provides a credit for fuel tax (excise or customs duty) that is included in the price of taxable fuel. Broadly, credits are available to entities using fuel in their business and to households using fuel for domestic electricity generation and heating.

Stamp duty​

All states and territories of Australia impose stamp duty at various rates on various transactions or documents, such as real property conveyances, motor vehicles, insurance policies, and contracts effecting the transfer of real estate or interests therein. Some states also apply additional duty to foreign purchasers of residential property. The imposition of duty on share transfers involving unlisted entities differs from state to state.

Stamp duty is levied by the states and territories, and, as a result, the range of exemptions vary.

Import duties​

Imports into Australia are subject to duties under the Australian Customs Tariff, unless an exemption applies. The top duty rate is 5%.

Fringe benefits tax (FBT)​

Fringe benefits are not taxable in the hands of the employee. Instead, a separate tax collection procedure applies to fringe benefits, with the tax known as FBT, which is levied on the employer (see Non-cash benefits in the Income determination section for more information).


What is the current tax rate on alcohol and tobacco?
 
Our governments answer is to force wage increases. But all that does is push people into the next tax bracket, increase inflation, force business and government services to increase prices of goods and service.

It's a vicious circle that only government can fix by reducing taxes by a significant amount.

Some of the many taxes -



What is the current tax rate on alcohol and tobacco?
Taxes have to go up to pay for our living standard, most people are employed in the service industries, so the money to support our services has to either be printed (which is inflationary) or earned from selling product to other countries and taxing that extra money coming in.
The money coming in from overseas is mainly materials based and the price is fickle, so we print it, then tax it.

The whole system is getting more and more shaky, I'm surprised our dollar has held up so well, that is mainly because the U.S is in the same problem as we are.
It will be interesting to see how the Aust dollar goes, if the U.S does turn its manufacturing around.
 
Taxes have to go up to pay for our living standard, most people are employed in the service industries, so the money to support our services has to either printed (which is inflationary) or earned from selling product to other countries and taxing that extra money coming in.

And like MoXJO said "No one can live on those wages right now....there's a lot of working poor that have 3 jobs and are just scraping by."

Australian wages are quite good by world standards, but the problem is excessively numerous and high taxes. Not all of it is for our standard of living, much of our taxes is wasted on social agendas.
 
much of our taxes is wasted on social agendas.
Which is our standard of living, the well off live the same the world over, the poor are the ones where the difference lie between a first world and a third world country.

The problem arises for us, when we can't afford to fund our social agendas, that will happen when the Government can't raise the taxes to meet the obligation and the workers can't live on their wages so they can't pay more tax.
Then the currency starts falling in value, as trading partners want more of it, for what they are selling us.

It has already happened with Thailand, a few years ago when I first went to Thailand, our dollar was worth 30 Baht now it's 21 Baht and we buy gear off Thailand.
So in real terms our currency has fallen against theirs, as they industrialise.
 
Which is our standard of living, the well off live the same the world over, the poor are the ones where the difference lies between a first world and a third world country.

The problem arises for us, when we can't afford to fund our social agendas, that will happen when the Government can't raise the taxes to meet the obligation.

A poorly conceived and implemented referendum does not add improvement to our standard of living.

Nor does a Victorian government reneging on contracts for a highways and commonwealth games, which cost taxpayers in contract fines.

And what about the submarine fiasco, the SA RAH hospital, the Melbourne Covid quarantine infrastructure build, and on it goes.

Those rose coloured glasses may look good, but they tinge the view.

** EDIT: my above retort was for your original statement, not the one that you changed while I was typing.
 
A poorly conceived and implemented referendum does not add improvement to our standard of living.

Nor does a Victorian government reneging on contracts for a highways and commonwealth games, which cost taxpayers in contract fines.

And what about the submarine fiasco, the SA RAH hospital, the Melbourne Covid quarantine infrastructure build, and on it goes.

Those rose coloured glasses may look good, but they tinge the view.

** EDIT: my above retort was for your original statement, not the one that you changed while I was typing.
Appolgies I'm on a really dodgy wifi.
I agree with your sentiments, we are living beyonnd our means and I thought Albo may change the way we were heading, it isn't appearing so but time will tell.
As you pointed out, at the moment the workers are becoming the poor, which is what I was meaning.
The rich don't get affected much, when the worker becomes the poor, then you are third world or at least not first world.
 
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