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The Middle East and Western Asia: Bit of a hot spot?

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Could be more justification for the US to keep the war machine rolling. I doubt they have this 'analyst' on the books, but who knows. Maybe the recon work has been done in preparation for a retaliation once the US launch? Seems inevitable that Iran will get their hands on a nuke one day so they have their own deterrant against Israel. Interesting times. Good old human nature showing it's colours.
 
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Yeah, I find it incredible that as a species with an (allegedly) big brain, we don't seem to have learned a bloody thing.
 
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Yeah, I find it incredible that as a species with an (allegedly) big brain, we don't seem to have learned a bloody thing.
Yep, but on the other hand I've considered that the only reason we have managed to survive as a species is because of our desire and ability to protect our space by either defence or pre emptive strike. We only have minor physical attributes that contribute to our survival. Like having a thumb, for example. Our desire to survive, and our cunning, has been the basis of our survival through some pretty tough periods in evolution. I just wonder when we're going to get over it and unite. Perhaps when there's a common enemy much more threatening, like an incredible plague, or aliens maybe.
 
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i think your right about the aliens....

But as for the rest... remember, a comfortable species, in an extinct one.
The Earth ain't no playground... its a battlefield.


Wow...
Sorry, I have livepool vs milan in ancient athens on my mind...
C'MON YOU RED MEN!
 
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In the Australian today

(am I being too pessimistic? )

 

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just a story for interest sake...

A good friend of mine was born in iran and her and her family used to make regular visits there.

Two years ago they went back just before xmas, while there it was decided by this girl and some of her friend they would have a small xmas party with some friends.

After about half an hour two white vans turned up at this place and police seperated boys from girls dragged them to the vans and drove them to a police station (which was described as a dungeon)

She spent 3 nights there with the girls with no food or water in the middle of winter, the only contact she had with her folks was for 10mins during the 3rd day.

on the forth day the boys and girls were brought into a common room one boy one girl brought out in front of everyone and whipped !


then only after paying 300 dollars each were they let go.

This girl was 19 at the time she still loves the place but is afraid to go there.

My point is to show that in that situation the only thing that kept her going was knowing she was going back to aus. Imagine if there were no countries like Aus, uk or america to go back to.

That is why support this so called war on terror even though i know there is alot of BS that america spin but i can't imagine living with that ideology.

That same things happened in afganistan and Iraq and still do.

Scary stuff
 
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For your consideration

One opinion, not middle-of-the-road, on the Middle East

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=9302
drill, I read the intro and it lost me:

Western analysts are forever bleating about the strategic importance of the middle east. But despite its oil, this backward region is less relevant than ever, and it would be better for everyone if the rest of the world learned to ignore it

There are 2 things still very relevant about the Middle East:

1. OIL.
2. Strategic logistic routes.

The rest is desert, and history.

Even if the oil wasn't essential to the western world, the stategic nature of it as a cross roads between Africa, Asia and Europe will forever make it relevant.
 
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For your consideration, One opinion, not middle-of-the-road, on the Middle East

thanks drill, interesting article.
I highlight a couple of sentences, not so much because I agree with them, but certainly a new way to look at things.
Certainly to call terrorism "an irritant" is novel - maybe even innovative (??)
Certainly we would have done better to ignore Iraq (in hindsight) than to reap the harvest we have sown there.
Possibly more here I could agree with ... (possibly because it is less dogmatic, more open to ongoing discussion ( which is what is needed with the people of the region surely)..

 
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Yes, the Middle East "strategic logistic routes" are "still very relevant", but that will also change with time. New trans-Arctic shipping routes, to ferry loads between Asia and Europe, should be more than a third quicker for some shipments that now pass through the Suez or Panama canals.
 
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The West Bank is having its turn to put on a fire works display. This is practically a Palastinian civil war which could develop into a much longer drawn out internal conflict, creating even more instability in the region. Meanwhile southern Lebanon is turning once again into a Syrian/Iranian sponsored hang out for Hezbolah. Not long before Israel is fighting on two fronts again. What a mess!

New Abbas cabinet outlaws Hamas
June 18, 2007 - 6:34AM

Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas swore in a new cabinet today and outlawed Islamist Hamas fighters after their violent seizure of Gaza, as Israel came under rocket fire from Lebanon in a new front to the crisis.

Adding to the tensions, Israeli troops moved into the north of the Gaza Strip - now an Islamist enclave on the Jewish state's doorstep.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/new-abbas-cabinet-outlaws-hamas/2007/06/18/1182018967051.html
 
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Kill everybody!

American soldier exposes US policy in Iraq.

 
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Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse

Trading oil in euros, does it matter?

the US will fight tooth and nail to keep the $US the currency of oil.


that quote was written before the iraqi campaign. with US national debt now running at close to 9 trillion dollars the US system does not look to be on steady ground.
 
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** link contains pictures of dead people **

Al-Quada run around cutting the heads off women and children

oil aside, fundamentalists muslims are out of control and there is no peaceful resolution to this conflict. for want of a better term they are at war with us until we convert or they die. there is no middle ground.

ripped off another board -

 
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its fair to say, based on the above two posts... no side can take the moral high ground... there are no innocent parties in this except the thousands of 'collateral' victims

what exactly is the solution?

how about give up our dependence on oil... that would a good start!
 
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no question we (and moslems as well) are at war with AQ.
question is why did we stupidly make them so strong by invading Iraq.

PS disarray - I could post similar websites where Abs are scalped and hanging on a fence - granted old history, and "irrelevant" in the eyes of many .
 
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i didn't post that link to score moral points hindsight, merely to highlight the nature of the enemy being fought in iraq. and you don't need to point out the barbarity of our own race, i am well aware that wanton butchery is part and parcel of the human condition. leave the aboriginal points in the aboriginal thread.

rafa makes an extremely sensible suggestion about giving up dependence on oil which, unfortunately, will never happen because of the interests involved - even with air powered cars available

that said transport is only a small part of overall oil consumption. we use it in plastics, for lubrication, even as a food preservative. we are utterly dependent upon it for so much and we are unlikely to change that any time soon. invest accordingly
 
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all technologies eventually get superseeded, but I fully understand you point dissarray, there is simply too much vested interest in the oil addiction for it to be disbanded overnight...

atleast nelson was brave (or foolish) enough to admit what most of us already knew... tho i doubt howard will ever admit that!

its why i have said all along, talking about getting out of iraq, and not fighting wars, etc is all well and good... but the fact is we all need oil.

and the fact is our goverments are voted by us and our fighting this war for us... i.e. to secure our oil supplies.
 
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disarray - likewise I'm just saying those photos are around as well - I guess I was saying that one problem is that we all react to the daily news as if it's the only history out availble to learn from.

and the fact is our goverments are voted by us and our fighting this war for us... i.e. to secure our oil supplies.

ahhhh ---yuuuuuklkk.
imo rafa, you're oiling a slippery slope there

I heard an expert say the other day - "if we want oil? , then continue to do what we've always done, buy it" !!

BUT he went on ... "what USA REALLY wants is to control who gets oil, and keep the Chinese dragon under control " - made sense at the time. .
 
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