The Gillard Government

[joea]

Boofhead.

The source of lifespan of optic cable was a network architect for Telstra who has worked with optics fo 14 years.

He also stated ..
# New DSL technologies will emerge. 15 years ago we had 56K dial up. Then 12 years ago we got 256k ADSL, Then 8 years ago we got 1.5mbps ADSL2, then 5 years ago 20Mbps ADSL2+. There are already new DSL technologies being experimented on that will deliver over 50 Mbps on the same copper we have now. $zero cost to tax payer.

# You cannot give every house 100Mbps. If you give several million home 100Mbps bandwidth, then you have exceeded the entire bandwidth. In reality there is a thing called contention. Today every ADSL service with 20Mbps has a contention ratio of around 20:1 (or more for some carriers). That means, you share that 20Mbps with 20 other people. Its a long story why, but there will NEVER be the case of people getting 100Mbps of actual band width. Not for several decades at current carrier equipment rates of evolution.
The "Core" cannot and will not be able to handle that sort of bandwidth.
The 100Mbps or 1Gbps is only the speed from your house to exchange. From there to the Internet, you will get same speeds as now. The "Core" of Australia's network is already fibre(many times over).

No doubt many will be aware that a combination of wireless(4G which is specifically being developed for data not 3G which was voice), satellite, copper and fibre will be the final result. Well I am assuming "common sense' WILL EVENTUALLY prevail".

Me I have satellite, on both sides of me they have copper wire broadband. Why because the installation of wires was below par. Most homes in my area have "pair gains" telephone and this will not handle broadband. I have copper phone "pair gains".

Finally this debate would have been very much subdued, if a redhead politican
had not made the rash statement of hooking all the homes with fibre at 100Mbps. "THEY SAY A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING IS A DANGEROUS THING"

Cheers.p.s. When i work out how to reduce the email size i will attach it.

 

[Mofra]

Just out of interest is there ever been a major infrastructure project built on time and under budget by any government?

Years ago the standard figure was 4% of projects delivered on time and on budget, although the focus of these studies were defence projects which are often delivered on a more difficult basis than infrastructure projects due to technical complexity of new generation systems.

 

[Mofra]

Me I have satellite, on both sides of me they have copper wire broadband. Why because the installation of wires was below par. Most homes in my area have "pair gains" telephone and this will not handle broadband. I have copper phone "pair gains".

Pair gains systems only represent a miniscule proportion of copper wire delivery to homes in Australia, generally backfill sites (resi that was formerly industrial space in middle band suburbs).

 

[boofhead]

Any name put to the network achitect at Telstra? To be honest it seems dubious. For one ADSL 1 has been capable of 1.5mbit for some time and not needed ADSL 2. The lifespan of optic fibre seems to be in relation to accounting and not physical. There are various materials used to make fibre from glass (silica) through to various polymers.

Contention ratios are more about residentual and budget SOHO connections to keep costs down. Those with faster cable and those on fibre can get their maximum speeds mostly because of human behaviour - not everyone is using it at the same time.

For backhaul/backbone - Telstra, Nextgen, Lucent Alcatel and others are involved with long distance 100 gigabit/s trials - that is per fibre. 100 mbit plans for the end customer will cost a bit but slow plans will be available. Telcos/carriers will upgrade as they need. Some ISPs will buy bandwidth with more headroom than others and it shows in Whirlpool discussions.

I'm sure we have already covered this in the NBN thread...


As for the Gillard government overall I don't see much large change. Best hope for it is by-elections.

 

[Calliope]

Here at Telstra, we are laughing our heads off. Because when it all comes crumbling down, after they have spent $60+billion and the network is no more than 1/2 complete, it will be up to Telstra to pick up the pieces.(shhh don't tell anyone, its our secret.)

I got my biggest laugh when I read that Tony Windsor's chief advisor on the NBN was a redundant Telstra Tech. who was looking for a job. As the NBN was (supposedly) Windsor's tipping point, you could say that this guy made history.

 

[Logique]

Get the feeling we're being softened up? Didn't take them long to get started.

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2010/10/02/Finance_Dept_urges_spending_cuts_520579.html
Finance Dept urges spending cuts
Saturday, October 02, 2010

The Department of Finance has urged the govt to wind back retiree, health and family payments. The Department of Finance has urged the government to wind back retiree, health and family payments, and reduce defence spending.

The incoming brief to new Finance Minister Penny Wong says the government needs to find $2.4 billion in savings over the next four years just to pay for the pledges made during its negotiations with the crossbench independents, including the promised new $1.8 billion program for rural hospitals.

But the brief - released late on Friday - strongly advises the government to wield the budgetary razor much more deeply, to create a financial buffer against 'the persistent threat of a 'double dip' global economic downturn' and to prepare for the looming costs of an ageing population, Fairfax newspapers say.

The department suggests much tighter rules for taxpayer benefits and subsidies as a good place to start, including increasing the age at which retirees can access their superannuation to the higher age threshold that applies to the aged pension.

The brief says the retirement income system will become increasingly expensive as the population ages, threatening fiscal sustainability. 'Measures such as tightening eligibility for the pension and increasing the superannuation preservation age would improve the long term fiscal sustainability of the system.'

It says family and welfare payments are also poorly targeted.

The brief also makes the controversial suggestion the government break its pledge in the 2009 defence white paper to increase spending by three per cent a year to 2017-18.

The 2011-12 budget should be a very austere affair, restricted only to election promises, with any new idea only considered if the spending is offset, Fairfax says.

Senator Wong said the government was 'absolutely committed' to its strict spending limits.

'The government will work with the new Parliament to deliver this fiscal strategy in the national interest,' Fairfax quoted her as saying.

 

[Logique]

Great night on 8c a day last night.

Firstly Four Corners, featuring the office machinations of the Three Amigos, then on to Q&A which miraculously, wasn't the the customary ritual bear-baiting of the token conservative.

From the facile and venal, to the measured and analytical. '..May I interrupt you here Geoffrey..' And a fine point subsequently made too.

Such a contrast. What we have, and what we could have.

 

[joea]

Hi.
The most important thing I see in politics at the moment is, for Eveready to
sponsor Swan with new batteries more frequently for his calculator.
Man oh man, this fellow cannot get within 100% of anything he tries to work out.
I suppose we can always hope, and it is looking a bit better with "Money Penny" coming up the rear.
After all it was her(with only a short time in the new job) announcing that Labor will struggle to achieve a surplus.
Cheers

 

[Mofra]

Firstly Four Corners, featuring the office machinations of the Three Amigos, then on to Q&A which miraculously, wasn't the the customary ritual bear-baiting of the token conservative.

From the facile and venal, to the measured and analytical. '..May I interrupt you here Geoffrey..' And a fine point subsequently made too.

I had to enjoy the whole "what the hell will Katter do next?" focus of the latter parts of the story - the insiders appeared to be as bemused by his actions as the rest of us

 

[noco]

Notice all the Gillard cronies have been brainwashed with the slogan "TONY ABBOTT THE WRECKER". When will they all starting thinking for themselves. They are like bloody parrots every time they get on TV.

 

[wayneL]

Notice all the Gillard cronies have been brainwashed with the slogan "TONY ABBOTT THE WRECKER". When will they all starting thinking for themselves. They are like bloody parrots every time they get on TV.

Is wrecking a wreck a bad thing?

 

[Knobby22]

I reckon they all should start stating that Tony Abbott looks a bit French.:

 

[Calliope]

It beggars belief that Windsor, Oakeshott, Katter and Wilkie would oppose a judicial inquiry into the BER $16.2 billion dollar scam, as well as rejecting the need for a cost benefit analysis on the $43 billion NBN scheme.

We are talking about massive amounts of money here. The four stooges are so consumed with their hatred of the Coalition that they will put any consideration of the interests of the electorate or the protection of the taxpayer aside, just to settle old scores.

 

[Julia]

It beggars belief that Windsor, Oakeshott, Katter and Wilkie would oppose a judicial inquiry into the BER $16.2 billion dollar scam, as well as rejecting the need for a cost benefit analysis on the $43 billion NBN scheme.

We are talking about massive amounts of money here. The four stooges are so consumed with their hatred of the Coalition that they will put any consideration of the interests of the electorate or the protection of the taxpayer aside, just to settle old scores.

Yep, agree absolutely. How pathetic they are, especially with all their grandstanding about having the good of the nation at heart.

I don't remember any time in politics that has been so filled with posturing and populist nonsense.

 

[sails]

Soon Ms Gillard will be able to boast of a higher record than Howard but still refuses to back down.
Sadly, coalition's motion was defeated by one vote.

Asylum boat numbers outstrip Howard peak

Opposition boarder protection spokesman Michael Keenan said the Gillard government's opposition to the Coalition motion yesterday "reaffirmed their commitment to keeping people-smugglers in business".

The motion -- introduced by opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison -- was defeated in the chamber by one vote, 73 to 72.

"Rather than adopting the Coalition's already proven policies, the Prime Minister continues to stick her head in the sand as things get consistently worse," Mr Keenan said

 

[Logique]

It beggars belief that Windsor, Oakeshott, Katter and Wilkie would oppose a judicial inquiry into the BER $16.2 billion dollar scam, as well as rejecting the need for a cost benefit analysis on the $43 billion NBN scheme...

Still in good form Calliope

Its the Tony Windsor memorial broadband you see. Every pollie, especially if on the way out, wants a legacy. The NBN goes to the heart of what the Amigos are about. What did you Nationals achieve, see how we delivered the NBN!

Cost efficiency and the national budget? Seems those considerations are running a poor second.

 

[todster]

It would be like doing a CBA on the $4b dollars they spend on roads year in year out,or doing one on public transport.
Infrastructure like John Howards Alice to Darwin rail????
The $25m Mckinsey&Co-KPMG implementation study is 500 pages long what do you call that.The Libs like using private firms for there figures don't they?
Have a read.
The NBN will be built And Malcolm Turnbull's star will burn out just as Abbott intended.

 

[noco]

Soon Ms Gillard will be able to boast of a higher record than Howard but still refuses to back down.
Sadly, coalition's motion was defeated by one vote.

Asylum boat numbers outstrip Howard peak

Joolya might be on a commission with the boat smugglers.lol.

 

[sails]

Joolya might be on a commission with the boat smugglers.lol.

Who knows, Noco, not sure what's in it for her. Anyway, she's apparently changed her tune since expressing her disapproval when Howard was PM and she was in opposition:

Full article: That's 100 failures by Julia's logic

''ANOTHER boat on the way, another policy failure," is how deputy prime minister Julia Gillard characterised the flow of people smugglers' vessels when she was in Opposition on April 23, 2003.

Seven years later, Labor has been in office for two-and-a-half years, and the spate of unlawful boat arrivals has mounted to more than 105 vessels since the Rudd Government introduced its watered down tough-but-humane approach.

So, Julia, is this more than 100 policy failures? Or would you like me to add all of the other policy disasters: the failed Fuel Watch, Grocery Watch, Murray-Darling program, the lethal home-insulation disaster, the wasteful and disgraceful education revolution building program, and the rest?

 

[sails]

...The NBN will be built And Malcolm Turnbull's star will burn out just as Abbott intended.

lol Todster - that's a fairly brazen statement. Any proof? Source?...