The Gillard Government

[sptrawler]

Probably just nice to know it is coming from "real" people as distinct from creative astroturfing.

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One day...hopefully soon.. some members of this forum might realise that

1) There is a very serious problem with CO2 emissions increasing global temperatures to a point where current life on life will be impossible

http://www.theage.com.au/national/t...f-degrees-says-one-expert-20110712-1hcad.html

2) That tackling this problem is a world wide effort and that even if out contribution is necessarily small it is still part of a larger scale effort.

3) Putting a price on carbon may not be the only answer or the whole one but it sure beats the drivel that Tony Abbott is trotting out as an excuse to tackle global warming.(which, incidentally, he theoretically accepts is happening and caused by human produced CO2 )

http://www.theage.com.au/business/abbotts-climate-plan-fails-the-test-20110712-1hc6z.html

Best you hold onto those thoughts basilio, Julia and Bob are going to need your vote.
It appears that the vast majority of Australians agree with some of us on this forum that this is not the best way of addressing the problem.LOL

 

[drsmith]

Probably just nice to know it is coming from "real" people as distinct from creative astroturfing.

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One day...hopefully soon.. some members of this forum might realise that

1) There is a very serious problem with CO2 emissions increasing global temperatures to a point where current life on life will be impossible

http://www.theage.com.au/national/t...f-degrees-says-one-expert-20110712-1hcad.html

2) That tackling this problem is a world wide effort and that even if out contribution is necessarily small it is still part of a larger scale effort.

3) Putting a price on carbon may not be the only answer or the whole one but it sure beats the drivel that Tony Abbott is trotting out as an excuse to tackle global warming.(which, incidentally, he theoretically accepts is happening and caused by human produced CO2 )

http://www.theage.com.au/business/abbotts-climate-plan-fails-the-test-20110712-1hc6z.html

1) Alarmist rubbish. Life on earth would thrive in a warmer environment. Compare the diversity of life in the tropics compared to the poles. That does not mean we should rush blindly to that outcome, but to suggest that the end of the world is nigh as per the headline of that article is nonsense.

2) Management of the atmosphere is a world problem, but what exactly are the big worldwide energy users doing ?
China for example is building coal fired power stations as fast as they can. There's a smart way and a dumb way to manage global issues. The dumb way is to cut your own throat economically while the rest of the world does little more than carry on regardless.

3) Interesting that Labor and the Greens are also promoting the spending of billions in their so-called direct action as part of their own package and are redistributing wealth. Their package overall has more to do with alternative agendas than it does with atmospheric management. They promote alarmist claims to convince the populous to make sacrifices at the altar. In this case it's tax. In past civilisations, it was much more.

 

[drsmith]

It's only a small sample, but the results are no suprise.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8272261/poll-shows-majority-against-carbon-tax

 

[IFocus]

drsmith;645453]1) Alarmist rubbish. Life on earth would thrive in a warmer environment. Compare the diversity of life in the tropics compared to the poles. That does not mean we should rush blindly to that outcome, but to suggest that the end of the world is nigh as per the headline of that article is nonsense.

Dr you surprised me with this.

Bio diversity takes a lot longer than 100 or 200 years to form so there would carnage in the immediate term, but you are right it would not destroy the world but it will cause some significant problems for humanity on a massive scale.

 

[drsmith]

Bio diversity takes a lot longer than 100 or 200 years to form so there would carnage in the immediate term, but you are right it would not destroy the world but it will cause some significant problems for humanity on a massive scale.

Whether or not that's the case, a carbon tax in Australia while the majority of global fossil fuel use is not subject to a comparable carbon cost will change that how ?

 

[Julia]

Whether or not that's the case, a carbon tax in Australia while the majority of global fossil fuel use is not subject to a comparable carbon cost will change that how ?

+1. Exactly my question also.

 

[Logique]

Bio diversity takes a lot longer than 100 or 200 years to form so there would carnage in the immediate term, but you are right it would not destroy the world but it will cause some significant problems for humanity on a massive scale.

As would withdrawal of current baseload electricity sources. Biodiversity has survived meteorite strike and ice ages, so .00002 deg warmer should be manageable.

 

[DB008]

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[Calliope]

Gillard says she is a shy person. So are most reptiles but they are still poisonous.

 

[IFocus]

Whether or not that's the case, a carbon tax in Australia while the majority of global fossil fuel use is not subject to a comparable carbon cost will change that how ?

Again you surprise me, the carbon tax looks more like treasury tax reform by stealth than any thing to do with reducing carbon emissions to me.

 

[sails]

Again you surprise me, the carbon tax looks more like treasury tax reform by stealth than any thing to do with reducing carbon emissions to me.

Yes, we can agree...

The more I learn about it, the more it looks like the dumbest thing on earth.

IF co2 is really a problem, surely these clever scientists who invented AGW could come up with a sensible way to actually reduce it without using hard working Aussies to fund all sorts of people, both here and in other countries? I think these scientists would be given much more credibility instead of their theories being thrown out with the carbon tax bath water as they are now by a growing number of people.

 

[springhill]

Politicians generally have 3 cards up their sleeve.

1. Tell it to 'em straight, the old 'It's going to hurt me more than it will hurt you'

2. Kiss a baby. Hope the parents take them straight to the hospital afterwards!

If 1 and 2 don't work you're in the **** so you better.....

3. 'Do a Hawkie'. Get all emotional and blubber on TV, this will get the female vote and half the male vote if you are decent looking.

If 3 doesn't work YOU'RE F*CKED!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...ar-float-says-pm/story-fn9ar0ql-1226094649448

This is actually making me ill now, she can't be that desperate to resort to this.

 

[Wysiwyg]

This is actually making me ill now, she can't be that desperate to resort to this.

One could believe compassionate votes contributed to the result in our recent federal election. I did feel the desire to vote for Julia on the basis of giving her an opportunity being the first female Prime Minister.


Don't particularly think Abbot has what it takes either. Focusses on fault in most everything Labor supports when could be focussing on 'detailed policies' his own party has to offer.

 

[sails]

...This is actually making me ill now, she can't be that desperate to resort to this.

Oh, poor diddems. Putting on a little blubbery show while still steam rolling ahead with her tax isn't going to fool anyone.

If she really cares about Aussies, she would listen to the majority and wait just over fifty weeks to take her stupid tax to an election and let the people decide.

She would have an entire extra year to blubber and try and get Aussies on side. Then, if the majority gave her a mandate, those of us who don't like it have to put up with it.

But when she is leading a fragile minority government, she really doesn't have a mandate to bring this tax in. Blubbering is not going to help her. She really doesn't seem cut out for this job.

That's like robbing your neighbour and then trying to get his sympathy because he doesn't like you any more...

 

[drsmith]

Again you surprise me, the carbon tax looks more like treasury tax reform by stealth than any thing to do with reducing carbon emissions to me.

At least you have abandoned it as a reasonable proposition for the latter.

As for tax reform, $4.3bn here, $3bn there, $10.8bn somewhere else, the export of $bn's overseas when it becomes a trading scheme and god only knows how much new bureaucracy to manage it. To this government, it's just someone else's Monopoly money with six extra zeros before the decimal point.

EDIT: Make that 7 extra zeros.

More like tax waste to me.

 

[sails]

...Don't particularly think Abbot has what it takes either. Focusses on fault in most everything Labor supports when could be focussing on 'detailed policies' his own party has to offer.

Yes, I wonder the same thing. But to be realistic, has labor actually done anything than total stuff ups and then go on as if nothing is wrong? What is there for Abbott to be positive about with this Gillard minority government? Gillard comes across as very arrogant and seems to just keep "moving forward" to leave debacles in a trail behind her while seemingly pretending that everything is just hunky dory.

I think Gillard is bringing all this negativity on herself. It is like watching a bad train accident where the destruction just keeps getting worse.

And, I wonder if the coalition are holding back on policy. Last time Abbott brought out a policy on welfare and, in something like a few days, Gillard announced her welfare package which was close to Abbotts with a few things changed.

So, I think the coalition could be justified if they are holding back due to Gillard's incompentence and trying to repackage coalition policies.

Abbott so far has done a pretty good job in getting the party to where it is now from the 2007 decimation. But, how he will go as PM I'm not sure either. Although he won't have to be very good to be much better than what we have now. Scott Morrison could be contender down the track, imo.

At least the coalition are listening to the people and seem to have better consultative processes. ALP seem to make decisions at the top and their MPs just have to wear it.

 

[Wysiwyg]

As for tax reform, $4.3bn here, $3bn there, $10.8bn somewhere else. To this government it's just Monopoly money with six extra zeros. More like tax waste to me.

Sorry for butting in but just noting the magnetism of societies toward insurmountable debt rather than surplus funds. Wondering where this ideology comes from. The yanks maybe.

 

[drsmith]

Sorry for butting in but just noting the magnetism of societies toward insurmountable debt rather than surplus funds. Wondering where this ideology comes from. The yanks maybe.

Not specific to Australia, but for the western world, my thoughts are broadly that it's either to avoid the day of reckoning till someone else's watch and/or manage the real value of the debt through inflation. The latter would obviously turn the screws more slowly on living standards, provided it didn't get out of control.

 

[Julia]

Gillard says she is a shy person. So are most reptiles but they are still poisonous.

3. 'Do a Hawkie'. Get all emotional and blubber on TV, this will get the female vote and half the male vote if you are decent looking.

If 3 doesn't work YOU'RE F*CKED!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...ar-float-says-pm/story-fn9ar0ql-1226094649448

This is actually making me ill now, she can't be that desperate to resort to this.

This little piece of play acting was reported on "PM" this evening and I felt quite sick.
Shy? Lacking in confidence? Give me a break!!
She is clearly desperate enough to be trying every trick the Labor machine can come up with.
Sadly for her, I doubt it will be any more convincing than the 'real Julia v fake Julia' exercise.

How did we come to this! Such a travesty.

Scott Morrison could be contender down the track, imo.

Agree. He comes across as very capable, articulate and able to answer questions with consummate skill.

At least the coalition are listening to the people and seem to have better consultative processes. ALP seem to make decisions at the top and their MPs just have to wear it.

True enough, but the Coalition could do with a bit of Labor policy in this regard when it comes to Malcolm Turnbull. His continuing injections of poison demonstrate that he is absolutely not a team player and is determined to destabilise Tony Abbott's leadership if he can.
When asked a couple of days ago about his view of the Coalition's climate change policy, all he had to do was say that he had no comment as this is not his portfolio.
Instead he made it crystal clear he did not support the party's policy.
Tony Abbott should despatch him to the back bench without delay imo.

Again you surprise me, the carbon tax looks more like treasury tax reform by stealth than any thing to do with reducing carbon emissions to me.

Doubt it's any sort of genuine tax reform, but it's heartening to see that you are seeing the light about the validity of this plan re emissions.

Keep up the good thinking IF. Always room for a convert over here on the dark side.

 

[Wysiwyg]

The latter would obviously turn the screws more slowly on living standards, provided it didn't get out of control.

Yes that makes sense but no doubting that first world countries could take a living 'standard' adjustment rather than living beyond average means; the scourge of ill-disciplined credit.