The Gillard Government

Logique · 10 June 2011

drsmith said:
Those comments are tame and at least factual compared to the following,

I was wondering if Richard Glover's '..forcibly tattoo the deniers..' (in the SMH) qualifies as 'hate media' in Bob Brown's definition? Only if it's in a Murdoch paper I guess.

The avuncular Bob Brown, your harmless and benevolent GP. He's too good for PM Gillard, and for most of the adoring press corps, especially over at Aunty. Just relax, the doctor knows what's best for you. He just needs to surgically remove $20 from your wallet each month to pay the increased electricity bill.

It won't be so easy for the Greens once he retires.

moXJO · 10 June 2011

Is this government trying to destroy productivity in this country?
We have farmers about to get the shaft on live exports

Miners about to take a hit with carbon tax and a fairly hostile government

Fair work Australia letting the unions cause havoc through a few industries.

Independent contractors about to take a hit with the new reporting

Small business being left out in the cold.
And the list goes on.
Apparently money falls from the sky no matter whether the country works or not.

drsmith · 10 June 2011

Logique said:
The avuncular Bob Brown, your harmless and benevolent GP. He's too good for PM Gillard, and for most of the adoring press corps, especially over at Aunty. Just relax, the doctor knows what's best for you. He just needs to surgically remove $20 from your wallet each month to pay the increased electricity bill.

The following article sums up well the problems Labor and the independents will have with the idiological Greens in relation to the purity of any carbon tax.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...in-emissions-war/story-e6frgd0x-1226072641740

The PC finds feed-in tariffs and renewable energy incentives - key measures being demanded by the Greens in return for a lower starting price - have driven up costs and produced very little greenhouse emissions reductions in some of the countries studied, including Australia.

In a devastating finding, the commission says Australia's renewable energy target policy as it was last year could have actually driven up emissions.

Government policy (both Conservative and Labor) at it finest.

It also finds the electricity industry is already subject to an effective carbon price of $9 a tonne of carbon dioxide abated and if there had been an ETS instead of feed-in-tariffs and renewable energy targets we could have saved twice as many emissions for the same cost.

There's your starting price Mr Windsor. $0/t, increasing to $9/t as the current wonderful set of renewable energy target policies are wound back.

Bob Brown and his loopy Greens won't be happy with that though.

Finally, the PC's findings about the poor economic and environmental performance of the so-called complementary measures such as feed-in tariffs and biofuel subsidies, create a potential flashpoint between the government and the Greens.

If Labor is to be true to its claims that the carbon tax represents economic reform in the same league as floating the dollar, it should stick close to the PC's recommendation that a carbon price in itself will be the lowest-cost way to price carbon and avoid pressure to cave in to demands for expensive add-ons.

The Greens face a dilemma too. With the umpire's findings in, they face a choice between ideology and rational economics.

Tony Abbott currently finds himself on the worng side of the economics of taxing carbon dioxide (if you believe in such a tax in the first place). The Greens however are also singing from the same hymn book as Tony in relation to direct action policies even if its for very different idiological reasons.

This will ultimately put Labor in an even bigger pickle over its carbon tax as it's the one in bed with the flea infested Green dog.

What will Tony Windsor do ?

sails · 10 June 2011

Seems like more unrest in the labor camp.

IN the strongest speech of his career, Labor senator John Faulkner warned last night that the party had "no future" unless it changed to embrace a "culture of inclusion" and repudiate powerbrokers who put their own interests before Labor's survival.

and

"The Australian Labor Party was formed because working men and women in Australia needed a voice in parliament.

"The need for such a party still exists, and it will still exist even if Labor should fail the test of reform."

Full article from the Australian by Paul Kelly: Change or die, John Faulkner tells ALP

drsmith · 10 June 2011

sails said:
Seems like more unrest in the labor camp.

Kevin Rudd's weighed in,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ulkner-tells-alp/story-fn59niix-1226072864142

and now, it's on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/10/3240745.htm?section=justin

Calliope · 10 June 2011

drsmith said:
Kevin Rudd's weighed in,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ulkner-tells-alp/story-fn59niix-1226072864142

and now, it's on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/10/3240745.htm?section=justin

Paul Howes has had an epipthany

Mr Howes agreed factional powerbrokers needed to be reined in, despite his role as one of the Right's most powerful figures.

"The time for party powerbrokers running the show, stifling internal debate or selecting candidates is over. It has to change.

"It's not in the interests of the party. It's not in the interests of Australia and I think that's what John was highlighting last night."

And he pledged to heed Senator Faulkner's call to limit the role of the factions in Labor, saying he will try to give up his "old habits".

moXJO · 10 June 2011

Why is Rudd chipping in? He listened to no one except his entourage of 20yo yes men and women. He was so out of touch and incompetent the he thankfully got the ar$e.
Rudd is like what Turnbull is to the libs, doesn’t know when to shut up and has too much self importance.

drsmith · 10 June 2011

moXJO said:
Why is Rudd chipping in?

To bang another nail in Julia Gillard's political coffin.

Logique · 10 June 2011

These internal ALP ructions will bring focus on the PM to show strength and leadership.

sails · 10 June 2011

drsmith said:
To bang another nail in Julia Gillard's political coffin.

Perhaps he is trying to get her deposed before she becomes elligible for the PMs pensions and perks. Is it one year as PM to qualify?

drsmith · 10 June 2011

Meanwhile, on Christmas Island,

According to the AFP, the bullets are 12-gauge shotgun rounds with the lead shot wrapped in a bag of fabric so as not to inflict fatal injuries.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/16/3165187.htm

noco · 10 June 2011

drsmith said:
To bang another nail in Julia Gillard's political coffin.

Old 'silver tail' Hawkie seems to think JU-LIAR will be gone in 3 months. Maybe he could be right!

If there is a change of leadership, I remember two of the independants stating they will not the minority government. So, maybe we will be back at the polls before Xmas.

Julia · 10 June 2011

sails said:
Seems like more unrest in the labor camp.
Full article from the Australian by Paul Kelly: Change or die, John Faulkner tells ALP

Senator Faulkner is one of the Labor Party's few real assets, competent and worthy of respect imo.

In an ideal world, both parties would benefit from doing a swap: Malcolm Turnbull to Labor in exchange for Faulkner to the Libs.

drsmith said:
Kevin Rudd's weighed in,
and now, it's on.

moXJO said:
Why is Rudd chipping in? He listened to no one except his entourage of 20yo yes men and women. He was so out of touch and incompetent the he thankfully got the ar$e.
Rudd is like what Turnbull is to the libs, doesn’t know when to shut up and has too much self importance.

Totally agree. This is an extract from one of the links provided above. Comment is from Paul Howes.

He said Mr Rudd's call for "the voice of the party's members [to be] heard loud and clear across the councils of the party" was more of a case of "Do what I say, not as I did".

"It certainly didn't happen under his leadership. The way the party was run from 2007 to 2010 strangled the life out of it. Doug Cameron described it as a party of zombies," Mr Howes said.

"You couldn't have any internal dissent, there couldn't be any disagreement with the leadership, pretending we were all one big happy family.

"In the last national conference there was not a single debate or a single ballot on any particular issue. That was because the then-prime minister, Kevin Rudd, ordered that there be no debate and no vote at the conference."

sails · 10 June 2011

noco said:
Old 'silver tail' Hawkie seems to think JU-LIAR will be gone in 3 months. Maybe he could be right!

If there is a change of leadership, I remember two of the independants stating they will not the minority government. So, maybe we will be back at the polls before Xmas.

I don't think they will have too much trouble dealing with another labor leader provided they get their perks (whatever that might be) and I don't think they would want to shorten their day in the sun.

Although, if Gillard is deposed, I do wonder if she will resign and take labor down with her. ..

drsmith · 10 June 2011

Not a happy man.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ulkner-tells-alp/story-fn59niix-1226073173860

drsmith · 10 June 2011

Labor's troubles appears to have derailed their public campaign in relation to the carbon tax.

I don't think there was a single mention of it on tonight's ABC news.

Julia · 10 June 2011

Noco, there appears to be a word missing in the following post from you. Could you please clarify?

If there is a change of leadership, I remember two of the independants stating they will not ? the minority government. So, maybe we will be back at the polls before Xmas.

drsmith · 10 June 2011

Support dear lady, support.

It's about the only pillar that's still supporting this crumbling government.

EDIT: That and those flea bitten Greens.

noco · 10 June 2011

Julia said:
Noco, there appears to be a word missing in the following post from you. Could you please clarify?

Sorry Julia, the missing word is "SUPPORT".

sptrawler · 11 June 2011

drsmith said:
Support dear lady, support.

It's about the only pillar that's still supporting this crumbling government.

EDIT: That and those flea bitten Greens.

The pillar of 3 independents must be starting to have meetings behind closed doors. To trying and work out a way to distance themselves from the trainwreck comming up. Their choice of allegiance will be tested shortly, the opportunity to smoothly seperate will present itself. Then like all good independents the evacuation of the sinking ship will commence.
It will be interesting to see who labor will put in to replace Julia.

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