LOL hilarious the mob here think pokies are wonderful (libertarian what rubbish, lets release / legalise a few more additive habits)and would rather argue the politics rather that the findings of the productivity commission that its really screwing the lives of a lot of people.
What an utterly illogical, silly interpretation of the assertion that people should be free to choose how they spend their money. So typical of the Left's inability to mount a logical argument.LOL hilarious the mob here think pokies are wonderful
What an utterly illogical, silly interpretation of the assertion that people should be free to choose how they spend their money. So typical of the Left's inability to mount a logical argument.
I personally find pokies total nonsense, have no interest in them whatsoever. But I acknowledge that many people have some fun with them. In some regional towns it's probably the only 'entertainment' available.
I've also facilitated a support group for addicted pokie gamblers and am only too aware that if they couldn't play the stupid pokies they would be gambling in some other arena. It's not the machines that are the problem. It's the personal problems of particular people who find diversion from their boring lives in the promise of a nirvana when they strike that great jackpot. The same people are usually also addicted to alcohol and nicotine, often the horses as well.
What an utterly illogical, silly interpretation of the assertion that people should be free to choose how they spend their money. So typical of the Left's inability to mount a logical argument.
I personally find pokies total nonsense, have no interest in them whatsoever.
But I acknowledge that many people have some fun with them. In some regional towns it's probably the only 'entertainment' available.
I've also facilitated a support group for addicted pokie gamblers and am only too aware that if they couldn't play the stupid pokies they would be gambling in some other arena. It's not the machines that are the problem. It's the personal problems of particular people who find diversion from their boring lives in the promise of a nirvana when they strike that great jackpot. The same people are usually also addicted to alcohol and nicotine, often the horses as well.
Cut pasted relevant parts of Tim Costello's article if any one can dispute his claims feel free to do so coming from WA I just find it mind boggling how people argue the political debate rather than the issue.
Abbott has chosen to fill this space with his predict BS statement.
After a decade of research and a comprehensive report by the Productivity Commission, we know the answers to address why 40 per cent of all profits come from problem gambling.
After illicit drugs, pokies are the second greatest contributor to crime.
Some 86 per cent of problem gambling in Australia is from pokies.
Australia has the highest loss machines in the world - it is possible to lose over $1,200 an hour on modern machines.
The 2008 Productivity Commission into gambling estimated that problem gamblers lose an average of $21,000 a year gambling - and that the social cost of problem gambling is at least $4.7 billion per year.
Supporters of pokies reform are not interested in stopping people enjoying recreational gambling. The reforms currently proposed will barely impact on the majority of players.
While you may have missed it in the clubs' misinformation campaign, the Wilkie scheme does not require pre-commitment for lower loss machines, which have maximum bets of $1 per spin and have an average hourly loss of $120 and consequently do less damage.
Mandatory pre-commitment will only apply to those high-loss machines that are causing the most damage.
In Western Australia, the absence of pokies has not resulted in an increase in online gambling
In fact, WA has mainland Australia's highest recreation and sports participation rates. NSW in contrast has the lowest.
only 2.7 per cent of pokie profits go to supporting community and sporting groups.
WA does not depend on exploiting weak and vulnerable people to achieve community activity.
Mr Abbott's solution to this problem of "more counselling" is not supported by the evidence. The Productivity Commission found that only 15 per cent of problem gamblers seek help.
The recent polling of public support for pokies reform is encouraging. The more than 60 per cent public support, despite a $20 million misinformation campaign by Clubs Australia, shows that Australians know vested interest when they see it.
I hope you're not a Dockers supporter as well.Apologies for off topic.
What an utterly illogical, silly interpretation of the assertion that people should be free to choose how they spend their money.
So typical of the Left's inability to mount a logical argument.
IFocus, I would love nothing more than to agree with you.
But my sons work and live in mining towns work $hit loads of hours and have to drive 1hr in 1hr out 12hr shift.
All for $/hr no penalties no time and a half for the first two hrs then double time. No time and a half for saturday double time for sunday.
So basically it ends up a 60 hr week for $40-50/hr. These are the guys labor are hitting for being fat cats.
Maybe if Julia tried a bit of the fly in fly out she wouldn't be a fat cat.
Maybe if she payed rent in these towns or bought food in these towns. She would realise they aren't any better off than people in the cities on a normal wage.
Actually Ifocus, don't know how old you are but if you are under 70 I'm sure I could get you a job.
May affect any dissability pension or normal pension your getting, but as labor says we have to get you back to work.LOL,LOL,LOL
Or maybe TPI, we can get you off that,. 15hrs a week is a lolipop man 1.5 morning 1.5 afternoon $20/hr. Thats $600/ fortnight gets you off the disabilityLOL,LOL
Hope youve put yourself down, they are screaming out for lolliop people, zimmer frame o.k, just wave the flag.LOL,LOL
Lets race to the bottom.
sptrawler please post when your sober..............
sptrawler please post when your sober..............
What a demeaning response, you just don't get the reality of how much strife the ALP has created for workers.
gg
Will do. LOL
The fact still remains, labor have lost the plot with regard a normal wage.
Also the point I was making about disability pensions, I realise it is open to rorting, however 15hrs a week is ridiculously low. As I said cross walk attendants do 15hrs a week but their pay is too low to live on and the dole is a lot lower than disability.
It is just another tax saving rort by labor on the ones who can least afford it.
Now were did I put that beer.LOL
Shezzers Sptrawer you have to stop reading those eastern states rags they the call news. The US is where real wages have not moved from the 90's in real terms Howard tried to do the same here but I think the number is 37% improvement in real terms for Australia over the same period quoted for the US. Keating reeled it off a few months back
What a demeaning response, you just don't get the reality of how much strife the ALP has created for workers.
gg
I'm a worker...im not in strife.
Sure your not just making **** up.
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