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If they got rid of Swan and Conroy, that would be wonderful.
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I'm with you on that SCM, real nasty pieces of work those two. I think they are in a legue of their own when it comes to vindictive and self serving. They seem to be enjoying the mud slinging and bad mouthing, not a good look.
Electors will remember.
If there is one good thing to come out of this it is, we are seeing the real Wayne Swan and it's not very attractive.
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If Labor weren't dead in the water before----they are now.
Burial will take place in the coming weeks.
Might be a bit deeper than 6 feet.
Burial will take place in the coming weeks.
Might be a bit deeper than 6 feet.
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This is the problem with the current situation.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ays-tony-windsor/story-e6freooo-1226279158763
We have this goose, saying that Rudd or Abbott couldn't deal with a hung parliament.
Well that is probably because bending over backwards to minority groups, is not the way to govern a country.
Rather than having a hung parliament they would probably both go to an election, then we wouldn't have to hear from non events like Windsor.
I don't know why the papers publish what these pretenders have to say, in the normal scheme of things he would be up the back bench catching up on his sleep. Jeez
What a way to run a bl@@dy country.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ays-tony-windsor/story-e6freooo-1226279158763
We have this goose, saying that Rudd or Abbott couldn't deal with a hung parliament.
Well that is probably because bending over backwards to minority groups, is not the way to govern a country.
Rather than having a hung parliament they would probably both go to an election, then we wouldn't have to hear from non events like Windsor.
I don't know why the papers publish what these pretenders have to say, in the normal scheme of things he would be up the back bench catching up on his sleep. Jeez
What a way to run a bl@@dy country.
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This is the problem with the current situation.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ays-tony-windsor/story-e6freooo-1226279158763
We have this goose, saying that Rudd or Abbott couldn't deal with a hung parliament.
Well that is probably because bending over backwards to minority groups, is not the way to govern a country.
Rather than having a hung parliament they would probably both go to an election, then we wouldn't have to hear from non events like Windsor.
I don't know why the papers publish what these pretenders have to say, in the normal scheme of things he would be up the back bench catching up on his sleep. Jeez
What a way to run a bl@@dy country.
Can't disagree more. These people got elected, and their constituents deserve to get representation. I love minority governments, because they keep the main parties in check.
Parties are far too powerful and linear in thinking. They rarely represent their constituents. In an ideal world, the parliament would be ran only by independents.
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Tony Windsor, as do the other independents, know they heve dealt themselves out of the game under an Abbott government.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...ction-if-government-falls-20120222-1tohr.html
They will continue to support this rotting corpse of an administration to the very end.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...ction-if-government-falls-20120222-1tohr.html
They will continue to support this rotting corpse of an administration to the very end.
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Good points SCM, the main problem though is the minority has a disproportionate say in policy.
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Well let's take the independents, can you give any example of disproportionate influence on policies which are bad and would not have been passed otherwise?
The way our democratic system works is that they are responsible for representing their constituents best they can. Given when a party like ALP or LNP gets an outright majority and doesn't need the independents, they get undemocratically and unjustifiably shafted, I would argue that they are owned for all those terms in parliament when their voices were not taken as strongly as they should have been.
I really hate party politics and the fact that politicians decide policies and decide to support or reject them themselves and based on their party membership. In reality, there is no democracy within this process.
Therefore, I support anything which undermines the undemocratic nature of party driven politics as opposed to voter driven politics.
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Carbon tax.
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Had those independents been ALP members, it would still have been passed, so I fail to see your point.
Bob brown was quoted as saying there will be a Carbon tax, while Gillard said there would be no Carbon tax.
So no, Dr S is right
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Last time I checked Bob Brown is not an independent.
Last time I checked he was part of the greens decision makers. How many green friendly Indies are there again Star
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Let's add on to that greens have the controlling vote in the senate giving a disproportionate say in final policy. So even if a policy is good they can tack on all kinds of conditions to turn it into ****e. And greens are what ? 13% of the vote
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Windsor and Mr 17 minutes were elected in Coalition seats, and that's how their electors expected them to vote.
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Greens have nothing to do with independents.
Pointing out your own straw man argument I hope; bringing up the Greens when the discussion is clearly about independents.
That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. By your own logic if a coalition candidate gets a seat from an ALP candidate in an election, he should vote with the ALP because that's how his electorate expects him to vote.
Maybe you should think before you type.
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Made me laugh!
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The blogger might have some of that right, but even with a double dissolution, I think labor would lose too many seats for Rudd to be PM. However, he might be the only one elected, so he would at least be leader of the opposition...
If Rudd had the guts to call a double dissolution, he would probably be elevated to hero status for allowing the people to put things right and stop the 10% party trying to call the shots for the 90% who did not vote for them.
There is an irony there. If Rudd had had the guts to call a double dissolution over the rejection of the carbon trading scheme in the senate when he had the opportunity to do so he may never have got rolled in the first place.
