The Gillard Government

[Starcraftmazter]

This leadership thing is quite funny. If Rudd takes it, there's no question he will win the next election running rings around the incompetent libs.

That's not to say I support him or anyone, but it is pretty funny.

 

[moXJO]

This leadership thing is quite funny. If Rudd takes it, there's no question he will win the next election running rings around the incompetent libs.

That's not to say I support him or anyone, but it is pretty funny.

The funny thing is this is the best they could come up with. Rudd failed hard first time around so labor logic is to trot him out again
I agree he has a good chance of wining the next election. Labors strategy seems to be switch leaders before an election to the slightly more popular one.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

He didn't really fail so much as he was removed by the mining industry in a coup d'état
of the Australian government.

 

[joea]

Hi.
Government Theory


The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that: “When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, best strategy is to dismount”.


However, in government, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:

1. Buying a stronger whip.

2. Changing riders.

3. Appointing a committee to study the horse.

4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses.

5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.

6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.

7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.

9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance.

10. Doing a productivitystudy to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance.


11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.

12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.

And of course....

13 Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.

Do you recognise these theories? Many of them are being practiced in governments all over the world!

joea via Intersuisse



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[moXJO]

He didn't really fail so much as he was removed by the mining industry in a coup d'état
of the Australian government.

He was removed partly because he was an A-hole to almost every member of the labor party. And total disregard when it came to spending not to mention jumping from one grand scheme policy to another and leaving nothing but a mess. The mining excuse was a small part in a much larger picture and sounds a little tin hat as the only reason.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

He was removed partly because he was an A-hole to almost every member of the labor party.

Then why did they make him the leader in the first place? Why is there talk of him coming back now?

And total disregard when it came to spending

Every Australian government for over a decade has had total disregard when it came to spending - this has nothing to do with any one individual.

not to mention jumping from one grand scheme policy to another and leaving nothing but a mess. The mining excuse was a small part in a much larger picture and sounds a little tin hat as the only reason.

Seems logical considering it was the mining tax which led to him being removed.

 

[Logique]

He was removed partly because he was an A-hole to almost every member of the labor party. And total disregard when it came to spending not to mention jumping from one grand scheme policy to another and leaving nothing but a mess. The mining excuse was a small part in a much larger picture and sounds a little tin hat as the only reason.

Yes and the real takeover was by the unions, who have installed their preferred leader, with the Kim Sattlers of the movement running around propping her up. The Gillard Govt has dutifully wound back industrial relations to the 1970's, driving manufacturers offshore through surging costs of doing business, destroying Australian jobs, and vastly increasing the power of the unions.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Yes and the real takeover was by the unions, who have installed their preferred leader, with the Kim Sattlers of the movement running around propping her up. The Gillard Govt has dutifully wound back industrial relations to the 1970's, driving manufacturers offshore through surging costs of doing business, destroying Australian jobs, and vastly increasing the power of the unions.

Remind me, what did the government under Gillard do to increase union powers?

 

[moXJO]

Remind me, what did the government under Gillard do to increase union powers?

How about ABCC for starters, plenty more when you sift through the IR laws as well.

 

[moXJO]

Then why did they make him the leader in the first place? Why is there talk of him coming back now?

It’s well documented he isolated himself from the rest of the MPs even those who put him in power. And it's just talk at the moment; personally I can't see how or why they would reinstate him as PM given the history. It would be a desperate move to shore up votes.

 

[Julia]

He was removed partly because he was an A-hole to almost every member of the labor party. And total disregard when it came to spending not to mention jumping from one grand scheme policy to another and leaving nothing but a mess. The mining excuse was a small part in a much larger picture and sounds a little tin hat as the only reason.

Yes and the real takeover was by the unions, who have installed their preferred leader, with the Kim Sattlers of the movement running around propping her up. The Gillard Govt has dutifully wound back industrial relations to the 1970's, driving manufacturers offshore through surging costs of doing business, destroying Australian jobs, and vastly increasing the power of the unions.

+1 on both the above posts. Labor are simply desperate and are therefore considering reinstalling Rudd which would be a disaster of the same epic proportions it was the first time round.

Imo their only hope is the third option of someone bland and safe like Stephen Smith.
He, at least, doesn't seem to stir up the sort of fear and loathing that flows toward Gillard and Rudd.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

It’s well documented he isolated himself from the rest of the MPs even those who put him in power.

Then who wants to put him in power now? Your claims are inconsistent.

 

[Knobby22]

Imo their only hope is the third option of someone bland and safe like Stephen Smith.
He, at least, doesn't seem to stir up the sort of fear and loathing that flows toward Gillard and Rudd.

I call that the "Jim Hacker option". (Yes Minister)

 

[moXJO]

Then who wants to put him in power now? Your claims are inconsistent.

Lol those in the marginal seats who want to save their ass at any cost by the look of it. Star the only inconsistency is labors words matching their actions.
Kevin Rudd didnt say he was a "changed man" and had "learnt from his mistakes" because he was trusted by the party.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Lol those in the marginal seats who want to save their ass at any cost by the look of it. Star the only inconsistency is labors words matching their actions.
Kevin Rudd didnt say he was a "changed man" and had "learnt from his mistakes" because he was trusted by the party.

If KR's support is as small as you make it out to be, I wonder how we have a leadership struggle at all?

Are you saying it's impossible he will become the new PM?

 

[moXJO]

If KR's support is as small as you make it out to be, I wonder how we have a leadership struggle at all?

Are you saying it's impossible he will become the new PM?

Improbable and imo only.
Everyone is so quick to jump to saying Gillard or Rudd leaked the video, well the libs had the most to gain by leaking it. Who is gaining the most out of the media blitz and speculation on leadership at the moment?
I'm not saying there is no one in labor that doesn’t want to see Rudd come back, I'm sure there are a few in opposing factions. Just the hatred at how Rudd had done things and the amount of bridges burnt I don't see it ending well with party unity. And labor just can't be that dumb. People within the unions I have talked to say there is no chance for a Rudd return.
Is this a media beat up is all I'm asking.

 

[Calliope]

Imo their only hope is the third option of someone bland and safe like Stephen Smith.
He, at least, doesn't seem to stir up the sort of fear and loathing that flows toward Gillard and Rudd.

-1 on Smith. Bland and safe does not stir the blood. A few synonyms spring to mind;

banal, blah, boring, dull, dull as dishwater, flat, flavorless, ho hum, humdrum, insipid, milk-and-water, monotonous, nerdy, nothing, pabulum, sapless, tame, tedious, unexciting, uninspiring, uninteresting, unstimulating, vanilla, vapid, waterish, watery, weak, wimpy, wishy-washy, zero.

(Thesaurus.com)

Starcrafty asks re Krudd,

Are you saying it's impossible he will become the new PM?

As Keating said; "A soufflé doesn't rise twice."

 

[IFocus]

On a brighter note Tanya Plibersek was interviewed on a program on Sunday.
To listen to this woman speak and handle the political questions was something to behold.
To me she stands for everything that Gillard does not.
Its a crying shame she is not a member of the LNP.

How Tanya presented her self and spoke is what could be expected of a female PM.
One can be confident that her duties are being carried out with dignity and integrity.
Hopefully she can avoid being embroiled in the "mud slinging " of the PM saga.
joea

So we agree about some thing had to happen one day

Plibersek was on the insiders and yes she is IMHO a good performer reels of the numbers no problems at all also a tough girl smacked down Richo and shut him up on Q&A.

BTW the Liberals have some excellent talent on the back bench but they will not see the light of day due the Howard dead wood brigade.

 

[Logique]

Remind me, what did the government under Gillard do to increase union powers?

The Fair Work Act 2009 and Regulations. And as reported in the media in recent days - unions may not now be prosecuted for industrial action if they subsequently reach a compromise with the employers - correctly summed up by Sen Eric Abetz as a 'licence to extort'.

The dead hand of union control. In the US they have the Teamsters.

Star I'm surprised you didn't mention the strong $AUD, which is certainly a strong headwind for exporters, but not the only challenge they face.

 

[drsmith]

BTW the Liberals have some excellent talent on the back bench but they will not see the light of day due the Howard dead wood brigade.

The deadwood in the Coalition camp is nothing in comparison to the vast smoke plume, the deafening sound of war drums and the stench of burning Prime Minister that's coming from the other camp.