The Gillard Government

[sptrawler]

Correct, but the three dicks were there to be woo'd after the election. And your mob couldn't.

Yes and it will cost them their seats, therefore they deserve to go down with the 'Good ship Bob and Julia'.
I don't think there is any point in opinion polls, if you look at any newspaper spot poll. This government is hated, no matter what they do it is seen as capitulating to the minorities.
I saw in the paper today, Bob said same sex marriage will be in by the end of the year and everybody says Rudd is undermining. LOL

 

[Julia]

It's similar to the feelings that I had in the U.S. Crash thread where I stated that I was firmly in the 'recovery' camp. People WILL forget how bad things got over there; it is human nature to look forward. Similarly here, some people WILL forget some of the things that upset them with Labor/Gillard over the journey and live by the adage Better The Devil You Know etc.

I don't see that as an appropriate analogy at all. How can anyone 'forget' that the US is so massively in debt with no way out except to continue printing money, something the Democrats seem disposed to keep doing.
I haven't read your posts about a US recovery and don't want to divert this thread with focusing on that.

If you really think people are going to just forget about the broken promises, viz the carbon tax most particularly, and then the way she just walked away from her promise to Wilkie once she'd finished making use of him, you're delusional, Eager.
Or overcome by wishful thinking.

"Better the devil you know"? I doubt it. You seem to be seriously underestimating the trouble the government is in with the electorate.

Politics aside, on the specific point of Gillard hanging tough, I think it has worked very well for her - does anyone else have an opinion?

Essentially agree. She's in a position to appear to be hanging tough as you put it, simply because Rudd doesn't have the numbers. Therefore no particular credit to her, rather she's the beneficiary of the distaste much of the caucus and the electorate rightly has for Rudd. It does not, imo, make her a successful Prime Minister.

Correct, but the three dicks were there to be woo'd after the election. And your mob couldn't.

Oh dear, how you are totally ignoring the virulent history all three had with the National Party. It was their moment in the sun, the wonderful opportunity they had to take revenge on the Nationals for their grievances. It wouldn't have mattered if Tony Abbott had been the Archangel Gabriel or Jesus Christ himself, or if either of these had offered them the world on a plate, they were never, ever going to miss their chance of revenge.

 

[sptrawler]

Ta.
Politics aside, on the specific point of Gillard hanging tough, I think it has worked very well for her - does anyone else have an opinion?

I think one thing Julia has achieved is to cement voters preferences. It may be a looooooong time till the next election.
However I feel 90% of voters have made up their minds already. It is now just a waiting game and to see how many more stuff ups happen.

 

[Logique]

http://australianpolitics.com/parties/alp/chifley-light-on-the-hill-speech
“The Light On The Hill” – Speech by Ben Chifley
Prime Minister Ben Chifley delivered this speech to an ALP Conference in 1949.

"..I try to think of the Labour movement, not as putting an extra sixpence into somebody’s pocket, or making somebody Prime Minister or Premier, but as a movement bringing something better to the people, better standards of living, greater happiness to the mass of the people. We have a great objective – the light on the hill – which we aim to reach by working the betterment of mankind not only here but anywhere we may give a helping hand. If it were not for that, the Labour movement would not be worth fighting for.."

Whether the Rudd/Gillard/Brown govt has delivered "something better to the people, better standards of living, greater happiness to the mass of the people" will be evaluated by voters at the polling booths in 2012 or 2013.

Whether a straight-talking 'bushy', a train driver and son of a blacksmith, would have a career future in the ALP of 2012 is open to conjecture. Frankly, I don't think the party represents that demographic any more.

 

[joea]

However I feel 90% of voters have made up their minds already. It is now just a waiting game and to see how many more stuff ups happen.

This is correct! However I ask how much more damage can the Australian economy
handle.?
According to the RBA it is business as usual.
According to Gillard she is now looking at "the loooong term". Well what was she looking at before. Apparently the voters and the media are the problem, but not her.
According to Swan the banks are the problem, and now he has the audacity to say he was not "bashing " the banks.
According to Shorten the banks have to react to the "long term" in relation to moving jobs overseas. Oops have I heard that term before somewhere.

Well IMO the way Labor is going now, all the MP's surrounding Gillard will end up loved by the voters as much as her. (if that has not already happened)

In the meantime Australia continues to "smolders", before it crashes and burns.

Personally if I was Abbott I would be indicating that the coalition need to look at the books before they make any defined statements on the economy. It will be only then that they could comment on a surplus. It will not be in the first term.(if or when they have a term)

In relation to Chifley's speech, we have a light. "Its Gillard new hair cut and color".
joea

 

[todster]

Yes you are entitled to your opinion.
I will accept the verdict of the voters. lol
If the Libs. get in they will operate as a party team, not as a "punch and judy" show.
(i hope).

From one of the posts below, I will agree Gillard has got to be better PM than Rudd,
but she has committed many more sins.
(in the Catholic religion there are two sins, venial(little) and mortal(big). For Gillard we need another category
joea

If they could operate as a team it might help if they can stop the redneck nationals going independent.
Just think you might be in power now

 

[Eager]

I don't see that as an appropriate analogy at all. How can anyone 'forget' that the US is so massively in debt with no way out except to continue printing money, something the Democrats seem disposed to keep doing.

The same way that everyone has forgotten about the death of Kim Jong-il in North Korea and the global uncertainty of What Would Happen Next.

Yesterday's news.

 

[wayneL]

The same way that everyone has forgotten about the death of Kim Jong-il in North Korea and the global uncertainty of What Would Happen Next.

Yesterday's news.

Yep

Just like yesterday's fish and chips... likely to show up again at any time.

 

[sptrawler]

Julia on T.V having a beer tonight, I think I am going to be sick. Obviously Bob's pep talk at the BBQ struck a note.
By the way Todster, cant retire till 67 and your healthcares going up, you fat cat.

 

[Julia]

Julia on T.V having a beer tonight, I think I am going to be sick.

I can understand your nausea. No credit to Chris Urhlman for allowing Ms Gillard to talk over him and essentially take charge of the interview.

 

[Samson 9]

I don't like violence myself but would like your opinion if the statistics here are more valid then the run of the mill opinion polls.
On that website Gillard is 10 times more popular then Abbott. I wonder why?

Gillard 5,257,985 to Abbott's 506,984.

http://www.slapapollie.com

I only scored 582 Meters - but won't tell you on which one.

Sam

 

[todster]

Julia on T.V having a beer tonight, I think I am going to be sick. Obviously Bob's pep talk at the BBQ struck a note.
By the way Todster, cant retire till 67 and your healthcares going up, you fat cat.

Hahaha ditch healthcare.

 

[sptrawler]

Hahaha ditch healthcare.

Yes that's exactly what my mate, who works for the local council(junk collection) said.
Another shot myself in the foot moment by Julia. LOL,LOL,LOL
Talk about being out of touch, thick as two short planks. Jeez they crack me up.
The only ones besotted by the goon show is the greens.

By the way, "ditch health care" isn't the answer they wanted.
Another stuff up.LOL,LOL,LOL.

 

[sptrawler]

To put it in simple terms, $80k is where the labor party thinks you are well off.
Most retirement advisors say you need $50k for a comfortable retirement,if you own your own home(I agree with that).
On $80,000 you pay $17,550 tax, so that gives you $62,500 take home.
Now take out your rent or home loan repayments i.e rent say $400/wk or home loan of say $400k approx $600/wk.

That means the renter pays approx $20,000 rent leaving him/her with $42,000 or $800/wk for food, fuel, electricity. insurance, car payments, repairs. Yes a real "fat cat"
The home buyer is worse off, $62,000 less $30,000 payments, that means $32,000 to live on. I don't see that as a "fat cat".

Like I have said on numerous occasions, the problem with labor members, is they have never lived the hard life. Lots of them have stood on the heads of members to get where they are.
May sound harsh, but I don't see them saying tax my pension, I'm doing o.k
No you won't see many jumping up for that one, on either side of politics.

That is the problem when you have chardonnay socialists running the show, they think they represent the worker, but they don't even know a worker!!!!!!!

 

[Logique]

..That is the problem when you have chardonnay socialists running the show, they think they represent the worker, but they don't even know a worker!!!!!!!

Until election time, then it's look.. 'I'm drinking a beer, I'm just like you'. The ALP plays blue collar workers off a break.

I'd say the scare campaign about workchoices is being filmed as we speak. Ironically it's Labor's union boosting Fair Work Act that will put people out of jobs.

 

[noco]

Our leading lady has now placed a zip on the lips of all Labor MP's.

What next???? Geez, she must be running very scared.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...eak-as-one-voice/story-e6freonf-1226267668546

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

http://australianpolitics.com/parties/alp/chifley-light-on-the-hill-speech
“The Light On The Hill” – Speech by Ben Chifley
Prime Minister Ben Chifley delivered this speech to an ALP Conference in 1949.

"..I try to think of the Labour movement, not as putting an extra sixpence into somebody’s pocket, or making somebody Prime Minister or Premier, but as a movement bringing something better to the people, better standards of living, greater happiness to the mass of the people. We have a great objective – the light on the hill – which we aim to reach by working the betterment of mankind not only here but anywhere we may give a helping hand. If it were not for that, the Labour movement would not be worth fighting for.."

Whether the Rudd/Gillard/Brown govt has delivered "something better to the people, better standards of living, greater happiness to the mass of the people" will be evaluated by voters at the polling booths in 2012 or 2013.

Whether a straight-talking 'bushy', a train driver and son of a blacksmith, would have a career future in the ALP of 2012 is open to conjecture. Frankly, I don't think the party represents that demographic any more.

Unfortunately for the ALP, the original brave men and women who toiled for the workers would not recognise the shambolic chardonnay bourgeois of the present ALP who rule from safe public service and union positions now at the expense of the workers.

The light on the hill is stuck far up somewhere , where the sun don't never shine.

gg

 

[wayneL]

Unfortunately for the ALP, the original brave men and women who toiled for the workers would not recognise the shambolic chardonnay bourgeois of the present ALP who rule from safe public service and union positions now at the expense of the workers.

The light on the hill is stuck far up somewhere , where the sun don't never shine.

gg

Good post GG.

The Labour movement once had noble ideals and goals.

WTF happened to them?

 

[sptrawler]

Our leading lady has now placed a zip on the lips of all Labor MP's.

What next???? Geez, she must be running very scared.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...eak-as-one-voice/story-e6freonf-1226267668546

Yes that a real vote of confidence in her nearest and most trusted.
I think not.

 

[noco]

Well, I guess while the fire between Gillard and Rudd continues on a daily basis, we get a break from all the other stuff ups viz the boat people, the carbon tax, the NBN, roof insulation, school halls, lap tops for all high school kids etc.etc.etc.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ru...are-for-showdown/story-fn6b3v4f-1226214355055