The Gillard Government

[Calliope]

Julia perhaps you could enlighten us all by pointing out something that Tony isn't talking down?

Freedom of speech?

 

[Julia]

Julia perhaps you could enlighten us all by pointing out something that Tony isn't talking down?

My comment was in response to Eager's about the economy. The Coalition believe, correctly imo, that this government wasted huge amounts of money. They have said so, as they are quite entitled to do. That is not 'talking down the economy'.

As far as other policies are concerned, if they simply disagree with the government's actions why on earth would you not expect them to say so?

Not the Coalition's fault that this government is constantly making policy on the run in order to keep the Greens and the Independents happy. They have no obligation whatsoever to go along with policies with which they disagree.

 

[sptrawler]

That is a silly statement. It is blatantly obvious that NEITHER side had a clear electoral mandate. Yes, it is questionable whether the gov't now have a legitimate mandate or not because of the carbon tax lie, but that is a different issue, and not what you were alluding to! I think you have confused the two.

Are you advocating a 2 party, first-past-the-post voting system? If you are, you'd then probably still want a gerrymander system when things don't go your way.

Current policies notwithstanding, I think your problem is with the independants who gave power to the gov't in the first place. Maybe the real problem is with Abbott who couldn't woo them because of his party's political emptiness, which is the same reason that the MAJORITY of Australians did NOT vote for the coalition. Maybe you'd like to see the banning of independants except if they side with the coalition? That's not very democratic though is it.

Special instructions for those that hate democracy when it doesn't go their way:
(1) Go to Bunnings,
(2) Buy some timber,
(3) Build a friggin' bridge fergawsake!!!!

I would like to see the voters of Australia have a say when an onerous far reaching tax is to be implemented, that goes for whoever is in government.
I find it outragous, decietful and arrogant behaviour, the backlash will be interesting.
Or maybe voters will say that's reasonable behaviour from their representatives.
Time will tell.
I would be just as annoyed if the Coalition behaved in the same manner. It would be a similar situation if the G.S.T had been introduced post election.
Also my problem isn't with the independents, other than the fact they have a dispropotionate say in the running of the country. As has been displayed with their lack of support for Labor policy but willingness to support Green policy.
This really is disfunctional and highlights the fundamental flaw in minority government regardless of which parties constitute it.
As for building a bridge, I don't think that will be necassary I think the electorate will be more decisive next time, whichever way it goes.

 

[noco]

My comment was in response to Eager's about the economy. The Coalition believe, correctly imo, that this government wasted huge amounts of money. They have said so, as they are quite entitled to do. That is not 'talking down the economy'.

As far as other policies are concerned, if they simply disagree with the government's actions why on earth would you not expect them to say so?

Not the Coalition's fault that this government is constantly making policy on the run in order to keep the Greens and the Independents happy. They have no obligation whatsoever to go along with policies with which they disagree.

Yes Julia, exactly.

Also, Abbott should not be criticized for not making his policies known before the next election, for knowing the government, they are likely to steal them and dish them up as there own.

 

[So_Cynical]

Julia perhaps you could enlighten us all by pointing out something that Tony isn't talking down?

My comment was in response to Eager's about the economy. The Coalition believe, correctly imo, that this government wasted huge amounts of money. They have said so, as they are quite entitled to do. That is not 'talking down the economy'.

As far as other policies are concerned, if they simply disagree with the government's actions why on earth would you not expect them to say so?

Not the Coalition's fault that this government is constantly making policy on the run in order to keep the Greens and the Independents happy. They have no obligation whatsoever to go along with policies with which they disagree.

3 paragraphs to say...i cant give an example of anything Tony isn't talking down.

Thanks Julia.

 

[dutchie]

3 paragraphs to say...i cant give an example of anything Tony isn't talking down.

Thanks Julia.

Your right SC, Julia can't give an example of something Tony is not talking down.

Thats how bad this government is.

Tony is probably trying hard to think of something good to say but this government just does not give him a chance.

That's the governments' fault - not Tonys'

 

[sptrawler]

Further to what dutchie is saying, I have never heard a government so focused on the opposition.
If they were doing a good job, the results would speak for themselves.
How many times did you hear Howard say "it's Beazley causing the problems" or "it's Crean causing the problems" or indeed "it's Latham causing all the problems".
No it is only this inept government, that has to resort to blaming the opposition, for its own shortcomings as an ineffective government.
Boy are they overplaying the blame Tony, all it does is highlight they are struggling to find a winning policy, or indeed any policy.

 

[noco]

This inept government were put into power with a large carrot dangled in front of the Greens and the independants to form a minority government.

These non Labor stooges helped Gillard pass the mining tax and the carbon tax legislation without the help of the Libs. and because they won't assist Gillard with the off shore processing of Asylum seekers in Malayasia, Gillard blames Abbott. Not a word of criticism against the Greens who want on shore processing and at this stage have had their own way.

 

[Julia]

Further to what dutchie is saying, I have never heard a government so focused on the opposition.
If they were doing a good job, the results would speak for themselves.
How many times did you hear Howard say "it's Beazley causing the problems" or "it's Crean causing the problems" or indeed "it's Latham causing all the problems".
No it is only this inept government, that has to resort to blaming the opposition, for its own shortcomings as an ineffective government.
Boy are they overplaying the blame Tony, all it does is highlight they are struggling to find a winning policy, or indeed any policy.

Yep, well described, sp. If the government were confident in themselves, and the polls supported this, they would have no need to seek a scapegoat.

Back to Eager's post earlier today and some reference to the Independents' giving government to Labor being an indication of democracy in action (paraphrasing here), that's all well and good in principle, but in actual fact, those Independents had an existing bad history with the Nationals and were determined on revenge. Hence the Coalition never had a chance of being given government.
Almost entirely personal, almost entirely not democratic at all.

 

[sptrawler]

Actually lets put it really out there.
How you can be enarmoured by a government that parachutes high profile media personalities in to gain votes and remove people who have dedicated their careers to Australian, politics for very little monetary gain.
Then these same high profile representatives that were parachuted in are either thrown out, disenfranchised or disenchanted in a short period of time. Just shows how shallow and self serving it has all become. In my opinion.

 

[So_Cynical]

Your right SC, Julia can't give an example of something Tony is not talking down.

Thats how bad this government is.

Tony is probably trying hard to think of something good to say but this government just does not give him a chance.

That's the governments' fault - not Tonys'

And again all this from a Govt delivering.

• Low inflation (3.5)
• Solid GDP growth (2.5%)
• Low unemployment (5.3%)
• world finance minister of the year (OECD)
• Balanced budget next year

http://www.rba.gov.au/
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/gdp-growth
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6202.0
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...romoney-magazine/story-fn59niix-1226142190437

Has anyone else noticed this thread has many similarity's to the carbon tax and GHG threads? constant denials of reality by the ASF right, blame shifting, fanciful delusions.

The scientific evidence of good government is overwhelming and yet the denials continue...not one person has posted anything the conservative side of politics has said or done that is positive or upbeat and yet this is of little concern to the faithful.

Tony and his croneys think they can win by doing nothing, promising only to turn the clock back...i don't think this is gona fly by the time the election comes around 1 vote Tony may fall more than 1 or 2 votes short.

Nothing is not a winning policy.

 

[Eager]

My comment was in response to Eager's about the economy. The Coalition believe, correctly imo, that this government wasted huge amounts of money. They have said so, as they are quite entitled to do. That is not 'talking down the economy'.

I was referring more to the membership here, the likes of Bolt and McCrann who seem to have free licence to try and convince the people that the sky really is falling, and all those that go along for that particular ride.

Clearly, the sky is not falling.

 

[joea]

And again all this from a Govt delivering.


Nothing is not a winning policy.

Your post is to the point.

However in the voters mind for the coming Queensland and Federal elections, are the people voting the opposition " IN " or voting the sitting government " OUT"?

I think at this point in time, they are voting the government out. Along with Windsor and Oakeshott.

The only safe ones are the Greens. And they will be busy trying to continue their control over the two houses.

It is not just Labor that Abbott has to be wary with his policy's, but more so the Greens. They control the Senate.
( for now.)

joea

 

[Eager]

Yep, well described, sp. If the government were confident in themselves, and the polls supported this, they would have no need to seek a scapegoat.

Well, like it or not, Abbott IS a legitimate scapegoat for the current situation regarding asylum seekers. The Greens don't count here because they want onshore processing and the major parties are in broad agreeance about offshore processing, but Abbott is strutting around thinking that he is the PM and demanding that it is done his way! The situation would have been fixed by now if it wasn't for him.

BTW the gov't has been confident enough in themselves to pass more than 130 bills through Parliament thus far. Hardly ineffective or scapegoat seeking, methinks.

While on the subject of scapegoats, there is no shortage of relatively newly elected Liberal state premiers who are blamimg their Labor predecessors for everything either. Swings and roundabouts, swings and roundabouts...

 

[Logique]

Further to what dutchie is saying, I have never heard a government so focused on the opposition..

Pol Sci 101 textbooks will have chapters on this minority govt for years to come. Bizarrely, there seem to be two oppositions. The cause of everything bad, we keep being told, is the actual Opposition Leader, who doubtless remains nonplussed by his supposed influence over national affairs.

It is brand Independent that has been most tarnished, and can expect to be the big losers next time around.

 

[Logique]

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/future_gazed/
"..Asked on the ABC’s 7.30 if he plans to introduce workplace policies based on ancient Egypt’s slave labour model and compulsory inhalation of asbestos in kindergartens, federal opposition leader Tony Abbott answers: “No.” The Sydney Morning Herald condemns his 'relentless negativity'..".

 

[Calliope]

Well, like it or not, Abbott IS a legitimate scapegoat for the current situation regarding asylum seekers. The Greens don't count here because they want onshore processing and the major parties are in broad agreeance about offshore processing

Rubbish. The Greens are Gillard's partners. They help keep her in power. If her bedmates won't support her policies she should disown them, and stop whining about Abbott. If she accepted Nauru it would be a real kick in the a*se for Brown, and a win win for your "broad agreeance."

 

[So_Cynical]

Your post is to the point.

However in the voters mind for the coming Queensland and Federal elections, are the people voting the opposition " IN " or voting the sitting government " OUT"?

I think at this point in time, they are voting the government out. Along with Windsor and Oakeshott.

The only safe ones are the Greens. And they will be busy trying to continue their control over the two houses.

It is not just Labor that Abbott has to be wary with his policy's, but more so the Greens. They control the Senate.
( for now.)

joea

On a 2 party preferred vote with labor winning more of the centre than the coalition (like last election) Labor wins...i know that's not predicted at the moment, but im saying it will come to pass at the time.

Turnbull captures the centre vote, Tony doesn't...they both by default bring the right.

 

[Julia]

3 paragraphs to say...i cant give an example of anything Tony isn't talking down.
Thanks Julia.

Sigh. Once more, you remind me of the futility of actually formulating a response to anything you ask/say.

And again all this from a Govt delivering.

• Low inflation (3.5)
• Solid GDP growth (2.5%)
• Low unemployment (5.3%)
• world finance minister of the year (OECD)
• Balanced budget next year

The government's brilliance seems singularly unrecognised by the electorate.

Well, like it or not, Abbott IS a legitimate scapegoat for the current situation regarding asylum seekers. The Greens don't count here because they want onshore processing and the major parties are in broad agreeance about offshore processing, but Abbott is strutting around thinking that he is the PM and demanding that it is done his way! The situation would have been fixed by now if it wasn't for him.

Isn't this silliness becoming farcical by now? The Coalition government had in place a policy that reduced boat arrivals to almost nothing.
Labor dismantled it and the results are there ever since. A boat every couple of days now.
Anyone saying it's therefore Tony Abbott's fault is looking seriously out of touch imo.

BTW the gov't has been confident enough in themselves to pass more than 130 bills through Parliament thus far.

Many of these with the support of the Opposition, giving lie to the assertion that the Opposition disagrees with everything on principle.

While on the subject of scapegoats, there is no shortage of relatively newly elected Liberal state premiers who are blaming their Labor predecessors for everything either.

You wouldn't, of course, countenance the reality that the Labor predecessors actually did leave a mess behind them, would you? Of course not.

There's a fundamental difference between the die hard Labor supporters and those of us who are so critical of the government: Labor sycophants will never, ever acknowledge any fault in the policies or personalities of their chosen side. Swinging voters and Coalition supporters, on the other hand, are prepared to see the reality of imperfections.

On a 2 party preferred vote with labor winning more of the centre than the coalition (like last election) Labor wins...i know that's not predicted at the moment, but im saying it will come to pass at the time.

What sort of money would you like to put on this?

 

[So_Cynical]

On a 2 party preferred vote with labor winning more of the centre than the coalition (like last election) Labor wins...i know that's not predicted at the moment, but im saying it will come to pass at the time.

What sort of money would you like to put on this?

Current betting is almost 3 to 1 ~ $2.90 to be exact...care to better it?

http://www.iasbet.com/bet/politics/...Australian-Federal-Election-2013/14-3668.html
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