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Ah Mick the "Me, Me syndrome they can't see past their collective noses.
Ah Mick the "Me, Me syndrome they can't see past their collective noses.Yesterday was listening to the conversation hour on ABC as i was driving back from Bendigo.
Two university educated 20-30 somethings interviewing another 20-30 something researcher at a university about the need for high to medium density living.
They were all agreement how living in apartments was so much easier, close to shops, close to public transport, often close to restaurants.
The perfect world for them, and yet completely oblivious to the armies of suckers living in the burbs who have zero access to public transport, and thus rely on their own transport to even find the shops, restaurants and schools.
The only concession to made to any other group was 'the elderly', who really don't need to have to climb lots of stairs.
Forget about anyone with toddlers who also have to be mindful of stairs, or people with a disability.
They will be running the country in a decade.
Hope their level of self awareness improves a bit in the decade.
Mick
Not in a low flood area, but they did have builder problems there with rain water leaking into the building. She bought in when they were fairly new and then got lumped with more bills, this would have been more than 12 years ago.was that flood-prone Cooparoo ( a very long history of that ) or in the higher areas ??
not much fun being trapped in your apartment
This is fairly common from my experience and believe it or not the friggen Govt protects them from being prosecuted. My Brother bought a commercial unit years ago off the plans, there ended up being major structural issues within 2 years, the builder bankrupted themselves as soon as they got the legal letter and the govt mysteriously lost all the details from the compliance officers.I wonder who were the builders "the Dodgy Brothers".
There were studies done in the US years ago and a lot of people suffer from mental health issues in apartments, from lack of sleep, noisy neighbors, and so on. Then you have the problem of lumping all the poorer demographic people together and they have no opportunity to mingle with other people to better themselves like the ghettos that occur in the US.Yesterday was listening to the conversation hour on ABC as i was driving back from Bendigo.
Two university educated 20-30 somethings interviewing another 20-30 something researcher at a university about the need for high to medium density living.
They were all agreement how living in apartments was so much easier, close to shops, close to public transport, often close to restaurants.
The perfect world for them, and yet completely oblivious to the armies of suckers living in the burbs who have zero access to public transport, and thus rely on their own transport to even find the shops, restaurants and schools.
The only concession to made to any other group was 'the elderly', who really don't need to have to climb lots of stairs.
Forget about anyone with toddlers who also have to be mindful of stairs, or people with a disability.
They will be running the country in a decade.
Hope their level of self awareness improves a bit in the decade.
Mick
It is in the governments interest to discourage people from buying off the plan.This is fairly common from my experience and believe it or not the friggen Govt protects them from being prosecuted. My Brother bought a commercial unit years ago off the plans, there ended up being major structural issues within 2 years, the builder bankrupted themselves as soon as they got the legal letter and the govt mysteriously lost all the details from the compliance officers.
They blew over 100k with a solicitor that led up the garden path, which they could have put towards the repairs in the first place. There were about 20 unit holders that had to find 50k each to repair a unit that had nothing to do with them. Over years of holding the building, they had many compliance issues rectified at a cost to the owners and it's not an isolated story, it repeats itself across Australia every day.
Have you been to Europe?Yesterday was listening to the conversation hour on ABC as i was driving back from Bendigo.
Two university educated 20-30 somethings interviewing another 20-30 something researcher at a university about the need for high to medium density living.
They were all agreement how living in apartments was so much easier, close to shops, close to public transport, often close to restaurants.
The perfect world for them, and yet completely oblivious to the armies of suckers living in the burbs who have zero access to public transport, and thus rely on their own transport to even find the shops, restaurants and schools.
The only concession to made to any other group was 'the elderly', who really don't need to have to climb lots of stairs.
Forget about anyone with toddlers who also have to be mindful of stairs, or people with a disability.
They will be running the country in a decade.
Hope their level of self awareness improves a bit in the decade.
Mick
In short this is by far the greatest real divide as it exists in Australia and it's what lies behind much recent public debate on a range of subjects. Housing itself obviously and the issues surrounding it but a long list of other things too. The white collar inner city set versus the rest.Two university educated 20-30 somethings interviewing another 20-30 something researcher at a university about the need for high to medium density living.
They were all agreement how living in apartments was so much easier, close to shops, close to public transport, often close to restaurants.
The perfect world for them, and yet completely oblivious to the armies of suckers living in the burbs who have zero access to public transport, and thus rely on their own transport to even find the shops, restaurants and schools.
This is true but it must be remembered that most of the cities/towns in Europe before the advent of the motor vehicle.Have you been to Europe?
Much higher density in some of the cities over there, great public transport, it works out well when it’s designed well.
Suburbs are a modern phenomenon, and basically invented in their modern form by an executive at general motors..
I bought off the plan in the 2000s, and couldn't find anything already built close to what I bought within 50K, wasn't the best built house but still have it to this day.It is in the governments interest to discourage people from buying off the plan.
They don't want to outlaw it, but they want to discourage them nonetheless.
people often buy off the plan because there is no stamp duty levied on the sale.
It would seem that in more than a few cases, building delays, cost increases and downright shoddy workmanship end up costing more than the stamp duty.
Mick
Yeah, I agree but it is something that governments and town planners can work towards, atleast on a micro scale. It’s not impossible.This is true but it must be remembered that most of the cities/towns in Europe before the advent of the motor vehicle.
In the new world, Australia, Canada, United States etc, cities / towns evolved in the presence of motor vehicles, as you have noted.
This is a profound difference and not something which is easily changed. Two superimpose a European paradigm upon a new world city will not work very well in the short to medium term (and visa versa).
It is not as easy as simply saying, yeah well it is done like this in Europe.
Yeah I'm not against it at all. I've lived in the UK and really quite enjoyed the compact town that we lived in. But I do think it would be a very complex endeavour to convert our cities into that. Not impossible, but very disruptive for a long and indeterminate amount of time.Yeah, I agree but it is something that governments and town planners can work towards, atleast on a micro scale. It’s not impossible.
MI’ll seemed to be dismisses the concepts out of hand.
See this post from @SirRumpole .Yeah I'm not against it at all. I've lived in the UK and really quite enjoyed the compact town that we lived in. But I do think it would be a very complex endeavour to convert our cities into that. Not impossible, but very disruptive for a long and indeterminate amount of time.
Very expensive also
London is fantastic to get around by train(tube) and is very walkable also.Yeah I'm not against it at all. I've lived in the UK and really quite enjoyed the compact town that we lived in. But I do think it would be a very complex endeavour to convert our cities into that. Not impossible, but very disruptive for a long and indeterminate amount of time.
Very expensive also
Yeah Australia is big, but it’s mostly empty, and most of the population live in cities, there is nothing really stopping our cities becoming more dense in sensible way.See this post from @SirRumpole .
Replace Germany with pretty much any country in urope, or the UK, and the comparison is the same.
Mick
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We lived in Wimbledon Village for a while, directly across the road from the common. Once you do find a parking spot, you never drive your car ever again because you'll lose the spotLondon is fantastic to get around by train(tube) and is very walkable also.
For Me and She when retirement happens it will still be open spaces, not the acres we are used to, but more than likely 2 to 5. Gotta have some space.So far as high density is concerned, it's much the same as many things.
The problem isn't with the availability of an alternative for those who choose it.
The problem is when someone seeks to force it upon those who don't want it.
She reckons if we have to move into a unit or flat then there will be a murder, of me.For Me and She when retirement happens it will still be open spaces, not the acres we are used to, but more than likely 2 to 5. Gotta have some space.
See this post from @SirRumpole .
Replace Germany with pretty much any country in urope, or the UK, and the comparison is the same.
Mick
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It all comes down to lifestyle, some people like the country vibes, some people like town life. City life can be very nice if your apartment is designed well, with ample recreational green spaces.I would just say that few are the people who have ever lived on acreage keen to go back living in a unit voluntarily .
But mankind is easy conditionned.
You will own nothing and be happy
Between our last acreage buy /sell settlement dates, we had to spend 4 weeks in a row in a unit .
And we are not talking public housing: opposite beach. Sounds of wave, big spa,2 bedroom bathroom just for the 2 of us, with pool and terrace, balconies...
Never again sharing the yapping of a dog, the stink of cigaret or cooking, the lift, the communal area..and 7k a year. BC fees discussed previously ...
At the very least a decent size land on house.
But yes, rabbit hutches for video game and uber eat addicts living meaningless lives, is a dream for our world 2.0 wef leaders.
And no travel ..for the peons..to save the planet and prevent awareness.
Maybe a trip yearly to a DisneyWorld and they are happy and contended eating and living crap
But I agree on one thing, if you want to import millions migrants to have them unemployed, you need to have dense living aka ghettos otherwise you will spoil Bondi, Noosa and Yarra,all our leaders playgrounds....
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