The Death Penalty: Do/would you support it?

[Julia]

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The following letter to the Editor appeared in yesterday's paper.


"To those who argue the death penalty has not been shown to deter serious crimes, I have one question: Why are some savage dogs destroyed? As a deterrent to other dogs? Or to remove an unacceptable risk?


Written by Michael Jensen, Ferny Hills.


Julia

 

[The Mint Man]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

is it me or is that guy contradicting himself

 

[insider]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

The death penalty is applied in Australia but only for those who commit murderous treason... example you are a soldier and you turn against your own during a war but even more extreme than this will warrant a death penalty

 

[constable]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

The death penalty is applied in Australia but only for those who commit murderous treason... example you are a soldier and you turn against your own during a war but even more extreme than this will warrant a death penalty

Im not for the death penalty even for the most evil of crimes! However they should be made to repay for the rest of their lives in jail producing a service or goods that cover the cost associated with keeping them plus an additional 20% to the victims relatives (to do with as they please). If the criminal cannot, or will not meet this, then i feel the victims family/relative should have the ultimate say in wether or not the criminal lives.
None of this should come into effect until at least 5 years after the crime , should there be any new evidence (lets face it the legal system is far from fool proof)

 

[Wysiwyg]

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Human death by accident or natural causes is normal.When someone attempts to or takes another persons life ~`premeditated & devoid of emotion`~then yes, remove them from the planet.
If these things aren`t policed then self defence could become a fine line that in the heat of the moment would see more perpetrators not reaching the jail system.I suppose that is the train of thought in America.

 

[Bobby]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

The following letter to the Editor appeared in yesterday's paper.


"To those who argue the death penalty has not been shown to deter serious crimes, I have one question: Why are some savage dogs destroyed? As a deterrent to other dogs? Or to remove an unacceptable risk?


Written by Michael Jensen, Ferny Hills.


Julia

Hello Julia,

Good post.

Bob.

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

And if reintroduction of death penalty affects level of employment of jail guards, we can always take up or remove slack by adjusting levels of immigration.

 

[greggy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

And if reintroduction of death penalty affects level of employment of jail guards, we can always take up or remove slack by adjusting levels of immigration.

Everyone has a right to their opinion on this life or death matter. I for one am opposed to the death penalty. I rather see people who commit horrible crimes spend a lifetime in a rough jail without any luxuries. I don't like seeing people released early from prison for such crimes.
I feel that its not for us to judge who shall live or die. That is up to God IMO.

 

[happytown]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I would support the death penalty but under one absolute condition - that the 'licence' to act suchly be granted to everyone and not reiside, primarily, in the hands of the state.

cheers

 

[Happy]

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Everyone has a right to their opinion on this life or death matter. I for one am opposed to the death penalty. I rather see people who commit horrible crimes spend a lifetime in a rough jail without any luxuries. I don't like seeing people released early from prison for such crimes.
I feel that its not for us to judge who shall live or die. That is up to God IMO.

How about somebody to pay my share of their upkeep, as I am not that keen on supporting their existence.

 

[>Apocalypto<]

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The serial rapist murderer repeat offender, who broke into your house, tied you up, and forced you to watch him repeatedly violently rape and then murder your 12 year old daughter should die.

Obvioulsy there's variations on this story, but you get my point. Some people do not deserve to be using our vital oxygen. And we shouldn't be spending milions of dollars to lock them up in a holiday camp with bars.

Bloody hell that was graffic, jeez you really woke me up then Kennas!

Yes I think some criminals should get death. Martin Bryant is one for sure.

 

[greggy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

How about somebody to pay my share of their upkeep, as I am not that keen on supporting their existence.

Hi Happy,

I don't see life or death decisions from a financial point of view. Just the same, we're all entitled to our own views.

 

[Happy]

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=Kennas]The serial rapist murderer repeat offender, who broke into your house, tied you up, and forced you to watch him repeatedly violently rape and then murder your 12 year old daughter should die.

Obvioulsy there's variations on this story, but you get my point. Some people do not deserve to be using our vital oxygen. And we shouldn't be spending milions of dollars to lock them up in a holiday camp with bars.

And now with water shortage, we would be able to release some of the water locked in this miserable body back into system.


Hi Greggy,
would this slant appeal to you better?

 

[greggy]

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And now with water shortage, we would be able to release some of the water locked in this miserable body back into system.


Hi Greggy,
would this slant appeal to you better?

Hi Happy,

A neighbour of mine lost their son in a vicious murder. He was shot to death in a mass killing. His parents to this day are still against the death penalty on religious grounds. I too fall into this bracket. Whatever slant you put on it will not change my mind. Nice try though.
I feel however a lot of support for the death penalty comes from the fact that too often people are let off lightly for serious offences.

 

[happytown]

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... too often people are let off lightly for serious offences.

Due to the sentencing process carried out by our esteemed judiciary being an objective/subjective process.

ie the objective element of the crime, mitigated somewhat by the subjective element of the defendant.

From an end result perspective, I find it somewhat intriguing that crimes can be viewed from one bookend as the worst case and, in effect, worked backwards in sentencing outcomes.

Let's not forget though that it is our elected politicians that legislate sentence ranges.

cheers

 

[Happy]

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Hi Greggy,
I respect your opinion.

In my opinion humans should live and behave the way that is acceptable, many religions advocate appropriate behaviour.

And most stop here.

I have different opinion, to live in society, there is mutual benefit and obligation and certain boundaries should not be broken.

Some put it to too hard basket, as forced death is difficult issue.

Luckily they can be put into too hard basket, as everybody must die one day anyway.

 

[greggy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Hi Greggy,
I respect your opinion.

In my opinion humans should live and behave the way that is acceptable, many religions advocate appropriate behaviour.

And most stop here.

I have different opinion, to live in society, there is mutual benefit and obligation and certain boundaries should not be broken.

Some put it to too hard basket, as forced death is difficult issue.

Luckily they can be put into too hard basket, as everybody must die one day anyway.

Hi Happy,

Nice post. It shows that 2 people can have different opinions yet still be civil to each other.
Have a good day.

 

[bel532]

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For a limited number of henious crimes eg multiple murders with no apparent regret, extreme cases of rape where absolutely no respect is shown for the victim/s eg those rapists in Sydney who received long term prison sentences.

 

[2020hindsight]

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/01/2078230.htm?section=australia

crikey I feel for Scott Rush's dad ( who asked the fed police to stop him leaving the country - and they in turn did nothing - other than to dob him into the indon police)

Then of course there are a heap of other matters... as per talk yesterday by Sir Gerard Brennan.

"Ultimately, political rhetoric about the rule of law may be exposed to be as genuine as the electoral kissing of babies."

Death penalty stance hurts Aust credibility: Brennan
By Jennifer Macey

Posted 3 hours 2 minutes ago
Updated 2 hours 16 minutes ago

The former chief justice of the Australian High Court, Sir Gerard Brennan, has criticised both major parties for their policies on the death penalty.

Sir Gerard says if the Government and Opposition believe the Bali nine should be spared the firing squad, they should not support the death penalty for the Bali bombers.

Sir Gerard also singled out the anti-terrorism laws and the preventive detention orders for criticism in a speech he gave to the Law and Justice Foundation's Justice Awards dinner in Sydney last night.

Sir Gerard said the Coalition and Labor are sending mixed messages on the death penalty.

"We cannot declare the execution of Australians to be barbaric and the execution of Indonesians to be acceptable," he said.

"Yet that now seems to be bipartisan policy. Principle is sacrificed for political advantage."

Sir Gerard says Australia's stance on the death penalty for the Bali bombers is jeopardising the nation's international credibility.

"A country which speaks about such an important issue with a forked tongue can hardly lay claim to the rule of law, and it forfeits its credibility in the international forum," he said.

Sir Gerard was the chief justice of the Australian High Court from 1995 to 1998.

Last night, he nominated some of the thornier law and justice issues that he feels are not getting enough public attention in this election campaign.

He criticised the legislation that empowers ASIO and the Australian Federal Police to detain and interrogate someone without charge.

"There should be an effective mechanism to safeguard personal liberty, but the anti-terrorism laws vest the power to interfere with a person's liberty in the executive branch of Government, which controls the procedure," he said.

"Those laws deny natural justice to the person which is the subject of the power."

Sir Gerard targeted the preventive detention orders for similar criticism, and highlighted the case of Dr Mohamed Haneef, who was held for 12 days without charge.

"The sad experience of the Haneef case has eroded public confidence in the agencies entrusted to safeguard public security," he said.


Rule of law denied

Sir Gerard said to exclude access to the courts is to deny the rule of law, and the anti-terrorism laws give the Government unaccountable powers.

"Perhaps they might reflect on Pastor Niemoller's lament in Hitler's Germany," he said.

"'They came first for the communists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a communist.

"'Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew.

"'Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

"'Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

"'Then they came for me, and by that time, no-one was left to speak up.'"

Sir Gerard concluded by saying issues of injustice against people like David Hicks and Dr Haneef were glaringly absent from the current election campaign.

"It is, I suppose, inevitable that an election campaign should be pitched at the majority and that the protection of the few against injustices would not be an election issue," he said.

"Ultimately, political rhetoric about the rule of law may be exposed to be as genuine as the electoral kissing of babies."

 

[Happy]

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From ABC, 1 Nov. 07

RAPIST GETS SIX YEARS' JAIL AFTER BLAMING SPIDER


A man who blamed a funnel-web spider for his kidnap and rape of a woman in the New South Wales Hunter Valley has been sentenced to a minimum six years' jail.
Philip Ronald Spiers admitted to kidnapping a woman in a Maitland shopping centre car park in October, 1997.

The court heard the woman was stuffed into the boot of her car, then bound and gagged.
She was then forced to take alcohol and pain killers before being taken to Spiers's home, where she was sexually assaulted and then wiped down with methylated spirits.
The ordeal lasted for four hours.

Spiers was arrested in 2004 after police received a tip-off from his girlfriend.
The man blamed his actions on a funnel-web spider bite, but a toxicologist told the court there was no medical evidence to suggest such a bite could be responsible for anger and hatred.
In sentencing, District Court judge Peter Bermen said the crime was brutal and terrifying for the woman and an appropriate sentence was needed to reflect that.

He sentenced Spiers to eight years' jail with a six-year non-parole period.

They come up with new excuses, shouldn’t we come up with something new too?

Like old fashion death penalty.