The Death Penalty: Do/would you support it?

[mark70920]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Since we can have DNA checks, we won’t need to exonerate anybody, as they will never be sentenced to death in a first place.

We are so hung up against death penalty while thousands of innocent lives are snuffed out in road fatalities and we live with it, just bad luck.


Going back to death penalty, I assume that we would do everything we can to make sure that no innocent life is taken.

When guilt is not clear no death sentence, but when more than clear then no long term accommodation just exit.

Of course even with all the safeguards somebody is innocently executed, well tough luck, that person can always be exonerated.

No justice system is perfect , mistakes get made, innocent people confess to crimes thay didn't commit etc. The death penalty is final , I rather help fund the unkeep of the guilty for life than take one innocent persons life.
Life should mean Life.

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

No justice system is perfect , mistakes get made, innocent people confess to crimes thay didn't commit etc. The death penalty is final , I rather help fund the unkeep of the guilty for life than take one innocent persons life.
Life should mean Life.

Maybe we should be able to declare in our tax retrurn, that we want to pay higher tax to go toward otherwise death penalty cases or not.

This would make you happy and me happy too.

 

[mark70920]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Maybe we should be able to declare in our tax retrurn, that we want to pay higher tax to go toward otherwise death penalty cases or not.

This would make you happy and me happy too.

Its actually cheaper to keep them in prison for life than to kill them (Lawyers fees are a bitch) so maybe you need to pay the higher tax , I should get a deduction
You could also contribute to the compo fund for the families of those wrongly executed.:

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

The justice system is far to open to abuse , they do say that power breeds corruption , so a death penalty which is the omega to any legal arguement is a very unhealthy situation ....... especially if you tread on the wrong persons toes . To give license to it could only be hysteria , to believe that DNA wonderfully given to us by science , is infallable , is sheer lunacy .
To entrust it to our wonderful police and courts is suicidal !

apart from the fact that I agree 100% ith... , I repeat a poem which I found (not original) - which is kinda in keeping with your nicname Friday afternoon after all

Forth went the thunder-god
riding on his filly,
"I'M THOR!!" he cried!!
His horse replied
"You forgot your thaddle, thilly".

 

[Whiskers]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Of course even with all the safeguards somebody is innocently executed, well tough luck, that person can always be exonerated.

You know what is the worst aspect of this attitude... the guilty person is still free to offend again while people with this attitude celebrate 'an execution' for their own emotional satisfaction.

Well tough luck, you say. The contradiction of this attitude is that you put as little value on human life as a murderer.

 

[hilly1981]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I would love to see murderers/serial killers and rapists (if 100% sure) get executed.

There should be a zero tolerance policy in force. If you are caught or admit to guilt, or there is unquestionable evidence against you, then you should be destroyed.

I mean these low lifes who commit these crimes destroy their victims and their families lives. Why in the hell should they keep their life? I dont believe in this 'it makes you as bad as them' nonsense.

This is the real world. They wouldnt think twice in knocking you off. Some of these people are mentally screwed anyway.

Problem is we are too soft here. You can knock someone off and still only serve 20-25 years. What a bargain! Then I bet once they are released they will do it again.

Lets make it interesting, lets put all these crooks in gaol for life, and then have a daily lottery where if your numbers comes up then you will be executed that same day. That would really give them something to think about. Fearing for their lives constantly, just dreading that moment when their number is called out. I would love to see the looks on their faces, then have the last laugh right in their face.

To those whom are against capital punishment ask yourself this.. if it was your loved one, daughter or son, or any member of your family, would you be satisfied with their killer being able to live the rest of their life in the prison system? Reliving their experience with fellow inmates and boasting about it to any passing member of staff? I know I couldnt.

 

[Whiskers]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I would love to see murderers/serial killers and rapists (if 100% sure) get executed.

There should be a zero tolerance policy in force. If you are caught or admit to guilt, or there is unquestionable evidence against you, then you should be destroyed.

I don't dispute some criminals deserve to be extinguished. But history tells us that far too many innocent people have been sent to death row or executed only to be later found innocent. The Jury, part of the community and authorities thought they were 100% sure guilty.

When you know that many innocent people have been killed in the name of justice, that even when you think you are 100% sure, you still get it wrong, and you continue 'Sacrificing' innocent lives you are no better than a murderer. Some would rightly argue that you are worse than a murderer, because you recklessly/mistakenly kill an innocent person under the guise of the law.

I mean these low lifes who commit these crimes destroy their victims and their families lives.

So what do you think the 'justice system' does to the community and families when the execute an innocent person!

I put it to you that it not only destroys the lives of the families of innocent people, but it destroys the credability of the justice system... then you start to get people taking the law into their own hands... and criminals knowing they are probably going to get the death penalty if they are caught, so they fight to the death anyway. Had it occured to you why the US crime rate is so high!

Why in the hell should they keep their life? I dont believe in this 'it makes you as bad as them' nonsense.

Ok, if killing for revenge or jealousy or just because you could is criminal, what would you call the killing of an innocent person in the name of the law? surely that is a worse act when the LAW that is supposed to protect innocent people, starts killing innocent people, just in case they are guilty.

This is the real world. They wouldnt think twice in knocking you off. Some of these people are mentally screwed anyway.

Problem is we are too soft here. You can knock someone off and still only serve 20-25 years. What a bargain! Then I bet once they are released they will do it again.

I agree totally there, life should mean life, but that is an entirely different issue.

To those whom are against capital punishment ask yourself this.. if it was your loved one, daughter or son, or any member of your family, would you be satisfied with their killer being able to live the rest of their life in the prison system? Reliving their experience with fellow inmates and boasting about it to any passing member of staff? I know I couldnt

Actually I have a friend whose son was killed in a brawl a few years ago. So I do have some exposure to the issue.

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

You know what is the worst aspect of this attitude... the guilty person is still free to offend again while people with this attitude celebrate 'an execution' for their own emotional satisfaction.

Well tough luck, you say. The contradiction of this attitude is that you put as little value on human life as a murderer.

I simply acknowledge that many innocent people die too early.
Be it medical misdiagnosis, or incorrect treatment,
Road fatality due to somebody else’s fault.
Risk misjudgment with death as a result.

Since I cannot give anybody life back I too say here bad luck.

Nobody would be deliberately sentenced to death, should something like that happen this would have to meet severe punishment.

After some initial clean up, we would be left with honest people who would cherish life, honesty and would be contributing members of society.

 

[Spaghetti]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I would never support it.

I have read back (some posts from years ago) and saw Singapore mentioned. They have the death penalty for having drugs on your possession. That is it. They only have a trial to determine that there is no doubt they were on your possession, it is the only aspect debatable in the courts. How or why they were in your possession is not an issue. If they belonged to a friend, a family member and you were unaware, too bad. If you took a job as courier and were just delivering a parcel without knowledge of the content, too bad. So hard to believe people would support that type of policy.

Then there is a valid argument that it is state sanctioned murder and then we have a discrepancy on what crimes deserve the death penalty. I am sure for example that if your son, daughter, wife, husband or friend was driving over the speed limit and resulting crash caused death not many would support the death penalty in that instance. Even though it is probably the single most preventable cause of death of young people in Australia right now. Morals change, we accept people that driving over speed limits but not some selling speed. Seems strange that it is ok soemtimes, but not others. The pain for the victims families is the same. In 20 years we may ahve a difefrent opinion on who should live or should die.

Then we have Saddam who killed people for reasons he found necessary to maintain stability in his country. We called him evil yet is any government deciding who lives or dies any better when they claim it is to maintain social order? Saddam afterall did keep a lid on tensions and he did have stability as a result of his policies.

So no I do not support it, if we do we accept any outcome for our children whether we agree or not and hand over far too much power to the legal system.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I think also it's been shown (yes?) that a jury (in a christian country) is far less likely to find someone guilty if the accused is likely to be subjected to the death penalty.

As for Singapore, Spag, - agree entirely.
I recall they had a "no trespassing sign" on a fence surrounding Changi airport - a sign of a person being shot.

Bit like this sign I guess... (not sure where it is from - found it on the internet)
at least with a picture, the message still has a good chance of getting across - whereas if you're don't speak english, a few squiggles on a sign don't mean that much...

 

[noirua]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I think also it's been shown (yes?) that a jury (in a christian country) is far less likely to find someone guilty if the accused is likely to be subjected to the death penalty.

As for Singapore, Spag, - agree entirely.
I recall they had a "no trespassing sign" on a fence surrounding Changi airport - a sign of a person being shot.

Bit like this sign I guess... (not sure where it is from - found it on the internet)
at least with a picture, the message still has a good chance of getting across - whereas if you're don't speak english, a few squiggles on a sign don't mean that much...

Hi 2020 et al, In cases where the death penalty could be given, I believe there should not be a jury and 4 judges should sit and there should be a 3-1 or 4-0 vote in favour of the death penalty, for it to be carried out.

I'm all for anyone bringing drugs into Australia to be shot by firing squad. Any person selling or being involved in the distribution of drugs should receive the death penalty.

Hard labour camps should be set up and those found using drugs or keeping drugs, should be sent there for up to 20 years. On a second offence they should be shot by firing squad.

In all cases of murder the death penalty should apply and judges given the option to apply the death penalty in cases of manslaughter.

Any person entering Australia as an illegal imigrant should be sent to a work camp for 2 years and then deported.

Tough on crime and the causes of crime.

 

[ithatheekret]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

apart from the fact that I agree 100% ith... , I repeat a poem which I found (not original) - which is kinda in keeping with your nicname Friday afternoon after all

Crack me up ............

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

the picture adds to it lol. - the wide dilated eyes lol.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

On a second offence they should be shot by firing squad.

noi,
You're aware I trust that, in the case of firing squads, one man is given a blank.

That way EACH of them can always kid himself that he wasn't involved - that he was the one with the blank -

that way he won't have nightmares as he ages accompanied by the memory of that day.....

Now in reality 5 of the 6 (or whatever) will have been responsible for a bullet hole in another man's chest

but sure - we are good at kidding ourselves

and for the rest of us ? sure - we are good at delegating the grubby stuff to others.

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I have this suspicion that the Howard Government supports the death penalty, what else would explain them dobbing in those guys in Indonesia, they knew they would be facing the death penalty.

Im not sure i support the death penalty or not, I mean i could for violent offenders (specifically cold blooded murderers) ... they should actually be prisoned on off shore Islands.

Perhaps they could offer voluntary death penalties? Like life in prison in the off shore island or take this pill your choice sort of deal ...

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Perhaps they could offer voluntary death penalties? Like life in prison in the off shore island or take this pill your choice sort of deal ...

Above all they should earn their keep, like all ordinary people do before they fall into walfare net.

 

[noirua]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

noi,
You're aware I trust that, in the case of firing squads, one man is given a blank.

That way EACH of them can always kid himself that he wasn't involved - that he was the one with the blank -

that way he won't have nightmares as he ages accompanied by the memory of that day.....

Now in reality 5 of the 6 (or whatever) will have been responsible for a bullet hole in another man's chest

but sure - we are good at kidding ourselves

and for the rest of us ? sure - we are good at delegating the grubby stuff to others.

Hi 2020, It may sound a bit sad but it is best to have people in the firing squad who enjoy their work.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Hi 2020, It may sound a bit sad but it is best to have people in the firing squad who enjoy their work.

slippery slope there noi
who ya gonna call?
soldiers? police?
I guessing that most soldiers would be reluctant to take part.
Maybe you'd find a few police prepared to volunteer

(IN EITHER CASE, I bet they secretly hope to get the "blank" )

 

[noirua]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

slippery slope there noi
who ya gonna call?
soldiers? police?
I guessing that most soldiers would be reluctant to take part.
Maybe you'd find a few police prepared to volunteer.

(IN EITHER CASE, I bet they secretly hope to get the "blank" )

I'm not quite sure of my facts here and am going from long distance memory. However, I believe, in olden times, they recruited:behead: and:whip from amongst those who had been convicted of similar:shoot:, but were totally loyal to those who were in power at the time, ie the:aus:. Government now.

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

If worse comes to worse, and nobody would be prepared to do the job, we could outsource it like we do with IT jobs recently.

Failing to do that, they could employ hunters and dress up condemned to death as game.

Alternatively we can leave it as is and hope that by 2020 nobody is going to commit hideous crime; hence problem will disappear altogether.