The Death Penalty: Do/would you support it?

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Make the pollies do it yes?
Mind you, Henry Bolte would have shot hundreds

... from amongst those who had been convicted of similar (crimes), but were totally loyal to those who were in power at the time, ie the Government now.

sheesh - lol
and to think we are arguing about what constituted a "subjective decision" on Dawkin's thread lol.

you nailed it through the heart there noi

as for "sourced from those loyal to the current Govt", - gee whiz you'd get some emotive sprukers at election time wouldn't you

or maybe
"vote Shooter's Party - just think of the economies - fewer misses ! fewer bullets!!"

PS noi - would you go as far as to send the bill for the price of the bullets to the parents? (Chinese style)

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Well I agree with this initiative anyway.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/12/2116187.htm?section=justin

Rudd to plead for death-row Aussies
Posted 42 minutes ago
Updated 35 minutes ago

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has told Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono he will ask him to spare the lives of six Australians on death row if legal action does not stop their executions.

The relationship between the two countries dominated talks between Mr Rudd and Mr Yudhoyono in Bali yesterday.

One strain on the relationship could be the fate of six Australian drug smugglers, members of the so-called 'Bali nine', who have been sentenced to death on the Indonesian island.

During the talks Mr Rudd foreshadowed a bid for clemency if legal avenues fail to save their lives, but in public he was focusing on positive links between the two countries.

"This is, for Australia, one of our most important relationships," he said.

The Australians on death row are all either filing or awaiting outcomes of legal appeals.

Speaking through a translator, the Mr Yudhoyono said with the right neighbourly spirit the two countries could overcome any problems in the future.

"From time to time there will be problems, bilateral problems between us and this is very normal," he said.

Mr Rudd and Mr Yudhoyono also discussed climate change, security and trade.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/12/2116152.htm?section=justin
and sounds like at least some bipartisan support in New Jersey to abolish the death penalty

US state moves to abolish death penalty
Posted 7 hours 49 minutes ago
Updated 7 hours 24 minutes ago

The US state senate of New Jersey has voted to replace the death penalty with life imprisonment, taking a major step toward becoming the first state to abolish the death penalty in three decades.

New Jersey senators have voted 21-16 to get rid of capital punishment in favor of life without parole for the most serious offenders, and the state's general assembly is set to vote on the issue on Thursday.

With hefty support from New Jersey's Democratic-controlled assembly, the measure also enjoys the backing of Democratic governor Jon Corzine, who has vowed to sign it into law by January if lawmakers decide to pass it.

New Jersey has not executed any prisoners since 1963, even though it was one of the states to reinstall the death penalty after a US Supreme Court ruling in 1976 overturned an earlier ban.

"We're not going to use it. We shouldn't use it. Let's end it now," said Senator Raymond Lesniak, a main Democratic sponsor of the text.

Republican Senator and co-sponsor Robert Martin added: "New Jersey can become a leader and an inspiration to other states."

Executions are technically legal in 37 states according to the Death Penalty Information Center. New Jersey has since 2005 been among nearly two dozen US states which have a freeze on administering the death penalty.

"There is increasing evidence that the death penalty is inconsistent with evolving standards of decency," said a special New Jersey commission tasked with examining the issue earlier this year. The panel voted 13-1 in favor of abolishing the death penalty.

Rights groups applauded New Jersey's step toward a ban.

"This is one more example of a general national wave of momentum moving against the death penalty in the US," said Shari Silberstein of Equal Justice USA, a Maryland-based group that opposes capital punishment..

twenty minutes ... sheesh

The US Supreme Court on September 25 began deliberating whether lethal injections infringe the US constitution's ban on "cruel and unusual punishment" amid growing controversy over the procedure.

One convict was executed the same day the Supreme Court announced its review, after a Texas court refused to stay open 20 minutes longer to hear the appeal of a man convicted of rape and murder.

However, no other executions have taken place since then as states have adopted an unofficial moratorium while the high court considers the matter

 

[DB008]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Eye for an eye in my view.
I've got a name for ya's all, Martin Bryant!!!
While the victim is bashed, raped, stabbed, head injuries, the perpetrator
get's off easy.

BUT

Like people have said in previous posts, nothing is 100% accurate. Unless they have someone admitting to the crime, the death penalty should be on the shelf.
Andrew Mallard went to jail for 12 years, now freed. If the death penalty was in use, maybe he wouldn't be here now?
http://www.andrewmallard.com/

 

[tronic72]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I used to be pro DP but after September 11, it occurred to me that many of these criminals WANT to die. Killing them often only creates heros. Our current justice system has the provisions to punish those that commit the most violent cruel crimes but the judges are unwilling to serve the criminals with suitable sentences.

I read somewhere, a suggestion from a member of the public who suggested the legal system is backwards. He suggested that Judges, with all their knowledge of the law should be given the task of determining guilt and that the public should determine the length and severity of the sentence.

The think that idea is simply brilliant.

 

[Whiskers]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I thought it worth while regurgitating this thread again given the recent admission that the Hicks prosecutor said that he wouldn't have brought charges in the first place and particularly yet another proved innocent by DNA and released after serving time for a crime he did not commit.

No doubt about Texans. If they can't shoot you for something, they'll find a way to lock you up somewhere for something.

Innocent man freed after 27 years
April 30, 2008 - 6:26AM

DALLAS, Texas - A Texas man who spent more than 27 years in prison for a murder he did not commit is free after DNA results proved his innocence.

James Lee Woodard served more prison time than any other wrongfully convicted US inmate who has been exonerated by DNA testing.

Woodard, 55, stepped out of the courtroom today and raised his arms to a throng of photographers. Supporters and others gathered outside the Dallas court erupted in applause.

Woodard became the 18th person in Dallas County to have his conviction cast aside, a figure unmatched by any county in the United States, according to the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal centre that specialises in overturning wrongful convictions.

Overall, 31 people have been formally exonerated by DNA testing in Texas, also a national high.

AP

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/new...-after-27-years/2008/04/30/1209234894876.html

 

[metric]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

there should be a legal facillity to eliminate corrupt or treasonous politicians, just as there is for military.

 

[gfresh]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

There was another one recently.. was on Foreign Correspondent I think it was recently (or was it 4 corners).. who was also proved innocent after many years. They say there is probably a good proportion that are executed who are innocent. The "peaceful" lethal injection is not too peaceful either according to doctors, and those that have witnessed it go wrong.

Personally, I think no matter what the crime, taking another's life does not fix the event, nor makes the executor really that much better at the end of the day. Killing somebody else because somebody else killed somebody? That makes great sense! I thought we moved on from the dark ages

 

[explod]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

We have had a mongrel just murder a young lass here at Frankston in Victoria. He was rounded up just this morning. It has been found that he was convicted of murder in the past and was supposed to be hung but was pardoned. So now at 60 years of age he is out and has murdered again.

I have and would never support the death penalty. It is the penal and justice systems that continues to let us down. As an ex cop (and that is not necessarily a qualification on this subject) these types of mongrels never ever rehabilitate, pedophiles are the same. Once identified they should be kept from normal society for all of life. period.

Some humans are at different stages of evolution, and though they would not like to admit it neurologists can (I have been told) confirm such types.

 

[skint]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

We have had a mongrel just murder a young lass here at Frankston in Victoria. He was rounded up just this morning. It has been found that he was convicted of murder in the past and was supposed to be hung but was pardoned. So now at 60 years of age he is out and has murdered again.

I have and would never support the death penalty. It is the penal and justice systems that continues to let us down. As an ex cop (and that is not necessarily a qualification on this subject) these types of mongrels never ever rehabilitate, pedophiles are the same. Once identified they should be kept from normal society for all of life. period.

Some humans are at different stages of evolution, and though they would not like to admit it neurologists can (I have been told) confirm such types.

HI Explod,

Like you, I don't support the death penalty, for reasons I'll expand upon in a later post, if I get the time. I'm not sure I agree with your recidivism rates. Whilst pedophiles do indeed have a very high rates of recidivism, murder has one of the lowest rates of recidivism. As far neurologists, or moreover neuropsychologists, being able to confirm psychopathy, it is only possible to confirm very broad indicators and correlations. For example, there are many that can have high scores on tests of psychopathy, yet have no criminal intent whatsoever. The science is still very much in its early days, from what I understand, to be able to confirm definitive diagnoses.

 

[treefrog]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I thought it worth while regurgitating this thread again given the recent admission that the Hicks prosecutor said that he wouldn't have brought charges in the first place and particularly yet another proved innocent by DNA and released after serving time for a crime he did not commit.

No doubt about Texans. If they can't shoot you for something, they'll find a way to lock you up somewhere for something.

whisk. - seems to me to be some blurred vision here. I can't see the point in the emotive outpourings over a few westerners while ignoring the many thousands of asian, middle east and third world "legal" and illegal executions/killings.
and how many bleat about the death penalty the same time they buy a few more BHP or woodside etc shares and support those co's to support those situations.

 

[Whiskers]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

whisk. - seems to me to be some blurred vision here. I can't see the point in the emotive outpourings over a few westerners while ignoring the many thousands of asian, middle east and third world "legal" and illegal executions/killings.
and how many bleat about the death penalty the same time they buy a few more BHP or woodside etc shares and support those co's to support those situations.

Yeah I know what you mean treefrog, what with mugabe and the unrest and iron fist of China to mention a couple.

But my point is to point out the hypocrisy and short comings of the US, who portray themselves to be the ultimate home of freedom, liberty and justice, even international policeman. The cap don't fit and I think they are kidding themselves about the way they think the rest of the world sees them.

They really do undermine the philosophy of freedom, liberty and justice as a better option than what many countries have now.

 

[treefrog]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Yeah I know what you mean treefrog, what with mugabe and the unrest and iron fist of China to mention a couple.

But my point is to point out the hypocrisy and short comings of the US, who portray themselves to be the ultimate home of freedom, liberty and justice, even international policeman. The cap don't fit and I think they are kidding themselves about the way they think the rest of the world sees them.

They really do undermine the philosophy of freedom, liberty and justice as a better option than what many countries have now.

agree totally. Have been to US several times, several areas, - they are truly an amazingly introverted society - very few original thinkers, nay, they seem to bully their own free thinkers into compliance - including capital punishment.

 

[Pronto]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

It's difficult to come up with anything new on this subject as the pros and cons have been thrashed out interminably.
The subject seems to resolve itself only as a matter of personal opinion (much like abortion).

I have always believed in the death penalty. It seems to me that a caring society needs mechanisms to cull out those among us that can not abide by the generally agreed rules. It then becomes a matter of degree, and some crimes are just so horrific that no penalty other than death is appropriate. Whether it is a deterrent to others or not is then besides the point.

Will injustices occur? Probably, but no human system is perfect and this should be so infrequent (particularly with modern forensic methods) that it doesn't concern me. Discretion should be always available where sufficient doubt exists anyway. Contracting cancer or being killed accidentally is equally unfair but it happens and far more frequently.

The method can be debated but I suggest that this should should be such as to maximise the possibility of harvesting the body parts for use by others. This exludes lethal injections. A gunshot to the back if the head is likely the quickest, cheapest and most painless approach.

 

[megla]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I am against it, except, I think where a CEO ruins my life savings and gets a million dollar payout for stuffing up, then drives off in his merc to his mansion - there I think public hanging has a place!! :

 

[Julia]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I'm morally and philosophically against the death penalty, but every now and again there is a crime so utterly horrible that I don't think anything else is appropriate.

 

[Kauri]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Nope... it's barbaric... for mine anyone who supports it deserves to be strung up..

:behead:

Cheers
............Kauri

 

[tigerboi]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

The death penalty resolves a very important issue:recidivism...

There has been instances where someone has served a life sentence then killed again...death penalty in the first case would have solved that problem..

However i am mindful of the fact where the police verbal suspects/fit ups such as the birmingham 6(in the name of the father,d.d.lewis...great movie)the guilford 4,you only had to be irish & you was a gonner...TB

 

[tigerboi]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I'll tell you what is barbaric this grub should of had his neck broken in 1968,had that happened this lady would be alive today,it was barbaric that he didnt get hanged...tb

Frankston murder suspect faced noose

By staff writers
April 29, 2008 06:21pm

• Prime suspect sentenced to death in 1968
• Stabbed a 17-year-old girl to death
• Detectives continuing to hunt gunman

THE prime suspect in yesterday's callous killing of a Frankston mother was sentenced to death in 1968 for the stabbing murder of a 17-year-old girl.

Police have named Leigh Robinson, 60, as the prime suspect in the shotgun murder of Frankston mother Tracy Greenbury, 33, The Herald Sun reported.

Robinson's death sentence for murdering the teenager was commuted in 1969, and he was released on parole in 1983. In 1991 he pleaded guilty to 14 charges of handling over $100,000 worth of stolen goods.

He received a two-year sentence with a minimum of 18 months.

Actor Gil Tucker - who played a policeman in the popular TV drama Cop Shop - gave evidence on Robinson's behalf, saying Robinson's life had been ''a great tragedy'' and that he had made a "made a great fist of having a go at it" after being released for the 1968 murder.

Detectives are continuing to hunt for Robinson who they describe as "armed and dangerous" more than 30 hours after he blasted the mother of two to death with a shotgun yesterday.

Ms Greenbury was shot in the head as she tried to get help from a neighbour after fleeing her home in Frankston.

Ms Greenbury had told her family she feared for her life after being told the man had killed and raped before.

Ms Greenbury's father Max said his daughter alerted him to the suspect’s violent nature about a week ago.

“'Dad, she said, 'he kept me for two hours in a caravan and I tried to get away',” Mr Greenbury told 3AW radio.

“He dragged me in by the hair and he produced a gun, put it to my head and then he took the gun away and pulled the bullets out of the gun and said, ‘Don’t push my buttons, you’re pushing me too far’.

“I said to her we’ve got to go to the police, and she said, ‘I’m too frightened Dad’, she said, ‘just let it go, he’ll probably go away’

 

[tigerboi]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Heres another kill get out-kill again story...you know being a copper having to knock on a strangers door to tell them their daughter has been shot is a very tough gig,also finally telling them the person has done it before would be horrible(my 17 year old girl has her heart set on being a copper)..tragic..

The death sentence may well be barbaric to some but go tell that to the parents of anita cobby & janine balding...tb

Transcript
[SIZE=-2]13/8/1999[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Diminished responsibility in murder cases[/SIZE]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]KERRY O'BRIEN: A murder case in Queensland has ignited debate over the controversial legal defence known as "diminished responsibility". Under diminished responsibility, the judge, in sentencing, takes into account the circumstances that may have helped provoke the crime.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Using this defence successfully in 1991, Les Brown was found guilty of manslaughter in Queensland instead of murder after viciously stabbing his first wife to death. Six years later, shortly after his release from jail on parole, Brown strangled his second wife. Some legal authorities and families of victims are now calling for urgent changes to the manner in which diminished responsibility has been applied.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Genevieve Hussey reports.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]PHIL CLEARY, FORMER INDEPENDENT MP: Well, there's a great history in the criminal justice system of women being killed by the men in their lives -- the men running provocation, diminished responsibility, "I was depressed" lines and being found guilty only of manslaughter, and often because judges allow these kinds of cases to be run.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: A court case in Queensland is fanning a heated debate about the use of a legal defence known as "diminished responsibility".[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Criminal lawyers argue it's not easy to win, but perfectly valid.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MICHAEL QUINN, CRIMINAL LAWYERS ASSOCIATION: It would be one of the most diff icult defences to run in a court. You've got to satisfy a jury, who are naturally sceptical of psychiatric evidence. And no, it's not run every day.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Every now and then it's run. In 1992, Les Brown was imprisoned for stabbing his wife of 23 years, Denise, to death. He'd had a history of suicide attempts and claimed he'd lost control due to a temporary abnormality of mind.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LES BROWN, 'FOUR CORNERS', ABC-TV, 1993: I still can't remember, you know, stabbing Denise. I remembered I had a broom, and then I reached for the dustpan and dustbroom and then we were arguing over that.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Denise was saying things like, "I've done that, I can clean it up. You don't have to clean it up, get out of the way," and that's the end of it then. I thought that WAS the end of it, you know, that we'd just argued over a broom. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But no, she'd died.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JOURNALIST: Did you ever intend to do it?[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LES BROWN: No, I never intended to do it at all.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Seven psychiatrists gave evidence. In this case, Brown's defence of diminished responsibility was successful and resulted in the charge being reduced from murder to manslaughter.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Les Brown was sentenced to eight years. Psychological evidence said there was little risk of Brown repeating his actions.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LES BROWN: And I won't make any excuses for why I did it, because I honestly don't know.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Three years later, Les Brown met his second wife, Doreen, when she went to visit her first husband in prison. They married. After serving a total of five years, Les Brown was released on parole. Doreen's children were frightened of Les Brown.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]TERRY SCOTT, VICTIM'S SON: Look, we'd be going to work and he'd say, "I had an argument with your mother today. I've killed before, I'll kill again."[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Doreen made calls to Corrective Services, concerned about his behaviour. In October 1997, just 10 months after he'd been released from prison and while still on parole, Les Brown strangled Doreen. The Victims of Crime Association says more should have been done to protect her.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LYNNE HOLDEN, VICTIMS OF CRIME ASSOCIATION: This man obviously had not addressed the issues of a nger management, because now, we have the loss of another life.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It's very frightening to see this trend that Corrective Services tends to push these people, these very serious offenders, back out into the community with no support structures.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: The Corrective Services Department won't discuss individual cases.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They say department officers follow the orders of the courts, but they argue you can't always predict human behaviour.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ANGELA MUSUMICI, QLD DEPT OF CORRECTIVE SERVICES: You look for signs, you look for indicators. In most cases, when something happens that you're not aware of, it's because the change, the stressor has occurred very quickly and they've reacted to it very quickly.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: However, some lawyers think it's time to look at whether the diminished responsibility defence is being misused. They argue there should be more emphasis on any prior history of domestically violent behaviour.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ZOE RATHUS, WOMEN'S LEGAL SERVICES: What it means is that violent men who have a habit of being violent to their partners and to their children can raise defences like diminished responsibility or provocation and have murder reduced to manslaughter -- as if that act of violence which led to the death was aberrant, was abnormal, was something out of character for them. Whereas in fact, it's just the end of a continuum of violence.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Former Independent MP Phil Cleary, whose sister was killed in a violent attack, argues the defence allows the legal system to favour men.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]PHIL CLEARY: We've got to be sympathetic and we've got to understand human frailty, but the problem is we're very respectful of alleged male human frailty in relationships, but we're not respectful of the position and the rights of women.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: But criminal lawyers warn against turning the issue into a gender dogfight.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MICHAEL QUINN: I have defended a number of women on murder charges who have murdered their partners, and they have been found not guilty of murder by the defence of diminished responsibility.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It should never become a gender issue -- it's a defence that's open to both male and female, and I think it's really unhelpful to any reasonable debate to reduce it to a gender issue.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Both a Federal committee and a Queensland task force are looking at whether there should be changes to the laws surrounding diminished responsibility and provocation.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JOCELYN SCUTT, BARRISTER: It is important that we do review provocation , self-defence and diminished responsibility and make sure that they are operating fairly in relation to all people within the community -- and I mean 'fairly' in terms of those who are potentially possible victims of killings, as well as fairly to those who may kill.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: After being convicted of this second killing, Les Brown has now been sentenced to life, which carries a non-parole period of 15 years.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]TERRY SCOTT: It's about time, isn't it? I'm stoked, and I think the rest of the family will be happy, too.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yeah -- in the end, justice has been done. Thank God for that.[/FONT][/SIZE]