The Death Penalty: Do/would you support it?

[The Mint Man]

Recently there has been threads on this forum to do with life and death, wether it be about animals, Al Qaeda/Bakkar Bashir, Suicide and Voluntary Euthanasia, god/the after life... the list goes on.

Obviously we dont have to worry about it (death penalty) in this country but this question still interest me. Do you support other countries that enforce it?

So i thought it would be an interesting question;
Do/would you support the death penalty? Why/why not? AND
what crimes do you think justifies the death penalty? (if you support it)

Feel free to discuss.

I wont put my view as Im sure someone will say exactly what I think anyway.

EDIT> the poll is based on someone thats found guilty.
There are obviously some grey areas with this question

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I wont put my view as Im sure someone will say exactly what I think anyway.
:

Very smart smooth move, hope somebody will voice my opinion too.

 

[The Mint Man]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Very smart smooth move, hope somebody will voice my opinion too.

hmm.. thanks
I just want to hear peoples point of view without putting them off by (possibly) making them angry with me/my view first.
get my drift?

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Yep, drifting too.

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I would never support the death penalty simply because it is the most permanent form of punishment. The legal system does make mistakes, evidence can be forged etc. There is no such thing as 100% certainty that someone actually committed a particular crime. 99.999% certainty maybe, but not 100%. If someone is wrongly imprisoned then at least you can let then out if they are subsequently found innocent. Not so with the death penalty.

 

[bullmarket]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I wont put my view as Im sure someone will say exactly what I think anyway.

I can't take this thread seriously if you're not prepared to put up your view and hope that someone else puts it up for you.

So i'll take the easy way out as well and hope someone "will say exactly what I think anyway" as well

Can that person please vote for me as well :

 

[Happy]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Just remembered something, and we could link all the mentioned threads.

How about this proposition –

We identify ‘evil’ gene, isolate it and destroy (with the foetus or not, I am easy – hope will not get challenged over that)

This way we address the cause and we don’t have to worry about effect, like murder, rape or any other nasty case of inappropriate behaviour.

 

[MalteseBull]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

they should shoot down the illegal refugees like China does...

and yes

 

[crackaton]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

they should shoot down the illegal refugees like China does...

and yes

Um have a look here and you'll see heaps of illegal Chinese. You will never get rid of illegal refugees in this country. i have met English refugees that have been here for years, never worked and sponge. Then there is Indians and the rest of asians. Now we have Africans. what next? This country has gone to the **** hole.

 

[Prospector]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

OK, I will start the ball rolling then.

I disagree with the death penalty. I dont think we should make killing a human being legal (and I am not referring to a fetus Mr B as I hear you breathing behind me ) For the same reason I do not believe in war.

I do think that people who commit heinous crimes (eg multiple murders) and who show no remorse should not be given a wonderful time in prison - eg if Milsovic is threatening suicide because he has lost his TV, well, so be it! Remorse is true remorse, and not something their lawyers dream up.

When people commit serious crimes while on parole, or they have multiple convictions for similar serious offences, or against children - life imprisonment, no privileges.

For most offenders gaol should be a rehabilitative process, but it is naive to think that some prisoners can be rehabilitated. But we shouldnt put them to death. That is too easy.

 

[Blitzed]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

OK, I will start the ball rolling then.

I disagree with the death penalty. I dont think we should make killing a human being legal (and I am not referring to a fetus Mr B as I hear you breathing behind me ) For the same reason I do not believe in war.

I do think that people who commit heinous crimes (eg multiple murders) and who show no remorse should not be given a wonderful time in prison - eg if Milsovic is threatening suicide because he has lost his TV, well, so be it! Remorse is true remorse, and not something their lawyers dream up.

When people commit serious crimes while on parole, or they have multiple convictions for similar serious offences, or against children - life imprisonment, no privileges.

For most offenders gaol should be a rehabilitative process, but it is naive to think that some prisoners can be rehabilitated. But we shouldnt put them to death. That is too easy.

Yes, we fear death because we fear the unknown, if someone kills someone who is innocent, I don't want them to go straight away to where that innocent person has gone....doesn't make sense to me....give them hell on earth....strip them of all luxuries and make them work their asses off or sit alone with nothing to do but think of the child, father, mother they stole life from. If someone killed one of my sweet children etc I want them to pay here first ....Hell is on earth only.

 

[quinny]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Well hell, I'll post against the flow. At this point the votes are in favour of the death penalty but there are no posts about why.

Let me say at the start that I know it's pointless to argue about it as people will _never_ agree on it. I can have this debate with my friends for ever. We had a huge discussion about this after that shooting in Tasmania about 10 years ago.

I would support the death penalty, but only in certain situations. Where the certainty is 100% guilt and the crime is murder (other than self defense), torture or some other horrible suffering then yes death penalty. I don't care if they can be rehabilitated or not. The family of the victim (and of course the victim themselves) will suffer for ever so why should the murderer be able to come back into society years later? I think murderer has given up their right to live in this society by their act.

I am not as aggravated about this topic now as I once was.

 

[kgee]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Ever since I quit smoking I'm getting so argumentative ,angry and self righteous(...at least with this forum I can spare my friends)...
so here it is
like a cancer in the system get rid of them as quickly and painlessly as possible ...and don't harp on about it just move on

PS I'd hate to ever see any of our world leaders quit smoking I'm sure there could be serious ramifications

 

[Julia]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

OK, I will start the ball rolling then.

I disagree with the death penalty. I dont think we should make killing a human being legal (and I am not referring to a fetus Mr B as I hear you breathing behind me ) For the same reason I do not believe in war.

I do think that people who commit heinous crimes (eg multiple murders) and who show no remorse should not be given a wonderful time in prison - eg if Milsovic is threatening suicide because he has lost his TV, well, so be it! Remorse is true remorse, and not something their lawyers dream up.

When people commit serious crimes while on parole, or they have multiple convictions for similar serious offences, or against children - life imprisonment, no privileges.

For most offenders gaol should be a rehabilitative process, but it is naive to think that some prisoners can be rehabilitated. But we shouldnt put them to death. That is too easy.

I agree completely with Prospector's comments, especially denying perpetrators of serious crime all privileges. Many criminals end up with more comfortable accommodation in jail than they had on the "outside" with reasonably comfortable room (hard to see it as a cell) with their own TV, music system etc. And they don't even need to share a bathroom. It's better than many of our sad mentally ill citizens get when they attempt to exist in grotty caravan parks where they are subject to all sorts of abuse.

Prisoners should lose all rights to any sorts of personal choices, i.e. the so called Muslim Australian who recently was awarded compensation for not being served fresh hal el meat on every day of the week. Bloody hell!

Julia

 

[coyotte]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Suppose it all depends on wether we are a Christian Nation !


Thou Shalt Not Kill
Vengence is mine --- sayth the Lord
He who is with out sin cast the 1st stone
Remove the log from your own eye -- before the speck in mine
As you judge others --- so will you be judged
Forgive them father -- they Know not what they do


GUESS WE ARE NOT !

 

[crackaton]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Well hell, I'll post against the flow. At this point the votes are in favour of the death penalty but there are no posts about why.

Let me say at the start that I know it's pointless to argue about it as people will _never_ agree on it. I can have this debate with my friends for ever. We had a huge discussion about this after that shooting in Tasmania about 10 years ago.

I would support the death penalty, but only in certain situations. Where the certainty is 100% guilt and the crime is murder (other than self defense), torture or some other horrible suffering then yes death penalty. I don't care if they can be rehabilitated or not. The family of the victim (and of course the victim themselves) will suffer for ever so why should the murderer be able to come back into society years later? I think murderer has given up their right to live in this society by their act.

I am not as aggravated about this topic now as I once was.

The death penalty is the best thing this country can introduce. It will make crims think twice. Is this country you can kill or rape a person, get about 7 years punishment and be free again.

I am sick of do gooders arguing about wrong people being convicted etc. This happens very rarely. Rid society of this scum that a) commit a heinous crime. and then b) cost the rest of society thousands of dollars per year to be kept alive and then c) get educated at tax payer expense and then d) get released.

ALL CRIMS SHOULD BE EXECUTED. **** THIS SOFT SOCIETY WE LIVE.

 

[crackaton]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Suppose it all depends on wether we are a Christian Nation !


Thou Shalt Not Kill
Vengence is mine --- sayth the Lord
He who is with out sin cast the 1st stone
Remove the log from your own eye -- before the speck in mine
As you judge others --- so will you be judged
Forgive them father -- they Know not what they do


GUESS WE ARE NOT !

Forget this christian morals crap. Look at the people entering this country. Look at the generation of ugly people that has emerged. people who think they can do anything and get away with it. Drug dealers murders, thugs rapists. They have no morals. Fight fire with fire. Do something wrong pay the penalty. It works in Singapore. Time to re-introduce it here. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY.

 

[crackaton]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

Ever since I quit smoking I'm getting so argumentative ,angry and self righteous(...at least with this forum I can spare my friends)...
so here it is
like a cancer in the system get rid of them as quickly and painlessly as possible ...and don't harp on about it just move on

PS I'd hate to ever see any of our world leaders quit smoking I'm sure there could be serious ramifications

I agree 10000% All this ****ing around, is bull****. Anyone not supporting the death penalty is either a crim or related to a crim. the solution is simple. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. Kill and be killed.

 

[bullmarket]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

I oppose the death penalty for the same reasons I posted in the RU486 thread.

Imo, those who support the death penalty undeniably support morally blatant, cowardly, cold blooded murder (whether legalised or not) and arguing the death penalty rids society of people we are better of without is blatant BS imo because I assume someone who murders someone else out of vengeance, hate or whatever is in their mind ridding the world of someone they perceive the world would be better off without as well ........so in my eyes there is no difference in the mentality of the person who committed the murder in the first place and those supporting the death penalty.

For extremely serious crimes and where there is no sign of remorse and/or rehabilitation then I would simply lock them up for the term of their natural life....and imo the pros of this solution greatly outweigh the cons.

And then there is the religious side of the argument, which is just as valid as any other argument.............as I suggested as food for thought in other threads........I suppose those that do not believe in God hope that they are right and that everyone else is wrong because eternity is a hell of a long time to be suffering in hell (or whatever your equivalent might be) for getting it wrong (ie...supporting the death penalty) for the relatively miniscule 80 odd years we spend on average in this life

cheers

bullmarket

 

[Sean K]

Re: The Death Penalty. Do/would you support it?

The serial rapist murderer repeat offender, who broke into your house, tied you up, and forced you to watch him repeatedly violently rape and then murder your 12 year old daughter should die.

Obvioulsy there's variations on this story, but you get my point. Some people do not deserve to be using our vital oxygen. And we shouldn't be spending milions of dollars to lock them up in a holiday camp with bars.