The Copenhagen Agreement - Australia to lose sovereignty?

[noco]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

A summary of podcasts from 2GB's Alan Jones on this crazy agreement:

Senator Barnaby Joyce joins Alan Jones in the studio to discuss emissions trading.
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesjoyce041109.mp3

Alan Jones talks to Lord Monckton, British climate change sceptic, who says the Copenhagen treaty is about creating a world government
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesmonckton261009b.mp3

Malcolm Turnbull joins Alan Jones in the studio to talk about climate change, boatpeople and Peter Costello's new government job.
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesturnbull021109.mp3

Alan Jones talks to Dr Richard Lindzen - Massachusetts Institute of Technology – atmospheric physicist – regarding the global warming scam.
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjoneslindzen301009.mp3

OzWaveguy, My hat goes off to you for gathering these interviews for all to listen to.

Kevin Rudd is becoming the biggest rouge and con-man in the history of this great country of ours.

He has to be exposed in the greatest way possible by the media for keeping these details from the citizens of Australia.

I cannot believe Malcolm Turnbull did not have any knowledge of the details of an agreement he (Rudd) wants to ratify at Copenhagen. Now is the time to do a 180 degree turn and throw the whole ETS scheme out the window, lock, stock and barrell. Now is his chance to do it.

I hope every Aussie Stock Forum subscriber writes to their loacl MP as well as Kevin Rudd. Rudd has to be stopped at all costs.

Go Barnaby Go!!!

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

Thanks

Credit actually goes to Snake for highlighting Alan Jones locking horns with Malcolm T previously https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=506142&postcount=4

I just thought I'd summarize the latest for people to send around

 

[Julia]

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I wonder how Rudd will worm his way out of this one. The whole ETS thing is turning into a shambles, as all those (US) level heading thinking people have stated. It was, and is flawed policy. Let's pray that the only thing that comes out of Copenhagen is pollies, greenies and bureaucrats with large hangovers.

The media finally seem to be waking up to what a potential disaster the ETS is, so if they keep up the growing criticism, and if Turnbull were to actually develop enough spine to just vote it down and out, then Copenhagen is nothing more than a (non binding) talkfest, some level of common sense might actually prevail.

The electorate no longer regards climate change as an urgent imperative, now that they are beginning to realise how the ETS will affect their hip pockets, said hip pockets now no longer being flush with the hand out cash.

It's just possible the rosy glow of Kevin 07 is really beginning to be tinged with harsh reality in the minds of more voters.

 

[OzWaveGuy]

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The media finally seem to be waking up to what a potential disaster the ETS is, so if they keep up the growing criticism, and if Turnbull were to actually develop enough spine to just vote it down and out, then Copenhagen is nothing more than a (non binding) talkfest, some level of common sense might actually prevail.

The electorate no longer regards climate change as an urgent imperative, now that they are beginning to realise how the ETS will affect their hip pockets, said hip pockets now no longer being flush with the hand out cash.

It's just possible the rosy glow of Kevin 07 is really beginning to be tinged with harsh reality in the minds of more voters.

Speaking of Spineless, Leigh Sales, Presenter of ABC's Lateline didn't even go near the treaty last night with featured guest Al Gore. The interview was a joke in light of the recent 'accidental' discoveries on the AGW scam.

 

[REA]

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I have been listening to Alan Jones for years and have been following this debate and frankly I am aghast at the likely outcome for my children and grandchildren. However I wonder if the general public are really becoming aware of the outcome of this agreement?

People who listen to Alan Jones are more than likely liberal voters and mostly older, I really wish mainstream analysts and reporters would do their job and report more information for the general public. Is there much reporting of this information in other states other than pockets of NSW?

I have made up my mind to write to a few politicians tomorrow. I live in a major coal mining area in Australia and we have lots of hardworking men who have no future so much for the labor party protecting its own.

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

The scam continues to gain support

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aL5640OngwdQ&pos=8
Senate Democrats Pass Carbon Plan Over GOP Boycott
....“We’re hearing the call to get moving on this,” said Chairwoman Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat and cosponsor of the bill.

The legislation had been tied up in the committee for two days by the Republicans, led by Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, who said the bill’s impact on the economy hadn’t been adequately studied. They boycotted most of the panel’s meetings this week to try to prevent a vote until the Environmental Protection Agency reviews the bill further.

Boxer said the Republican call for more study was a stalling tactic. The Senate cap-and-trade proposal draws heavily from legislation that passed the House in June, and the EPA’s studies of that measure were good enough for the committee to vote, she said. .......

 

[LM]

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Speaking of Spineless, Leigh Sales, Presenter of ABC's Lateline didn't even go near the treaty last night with featured guest Al Gore. The interview was a joke in light of the recent 'accidental' discoveries on the AGW scam.

It appeared she hadn't even skimmed the draft treaty available online. The cynical would suggest the "interview" was loosely scripted giving Gore, the lobbyist, some more air time. Never, not from the ABC...http://www.theage.com.au/national/abc-chief-seeks-massive-funding-boost-20091104-hxyt.html

 

[Fishbulb]

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It's beginning to look as if it will not be legally binding....http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/06/2735040.htm

I for one, am mightily chuffed. But just as with the Republic referendum, I suspect it'll simply be a matter of time.

 

[Aussiejeff]

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It's beginning to look as if it will not be legally binding....http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/06/2735040.htm

I for one, am mightily chuffed. But just as with the Republic referendum, I suspect it'll simply be a matter of time.

According to KRudd, all 'sceptics' are essentially spineless, cowardly, uncaring & essentially un-Australian.

Gotta love the whining lil' dood, right?

:arsch:

 

[Fishbulb]

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According to KRudd, all 'sceptics' are essentially spineless, cowardly, uncaring & essentially un-Australian.

Gotta love the whining lil' dood, right?

:arsch:

Really....where does this bloke get off? Rudd's obvious and hysterical angling for a UN position is getting embarrasing.

As Murdoch the elder said on news com - he should really be concentrating on running Australia at the moment.

 

[Calliope]

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According to KRudd, all 'sceptics' are essentially spineless, cowardly, uncaring & essentially un-Australian.

Rudd is a bigoted fool. Nearly all the world's great advances in science, medicine and geographical discovery were made by sceptics and usually in the face of great opposition from the perceived wisdom of the majority. Columbus and Charles Darwin e.g. weren't spineless.

 

[Fishbulb]

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Rudd is a bigoted fool. Nearly all the world's great advances in science, medicine and geographical discovery were made by sceptics and usually in the face of great opposition from the perceived wisdom of the majority. Columbus and Charles Darwin e.g. weren't spineless.

Good point

 

[Julia]

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According to KRudd, all 'sceptics' are essentially spineless, cowardly, uncaring & essentially un-Australian.

Gotta love the whining lil' dood, right?

:arsch:

I think perhaps his attack on all sceptics may be backfiring somewhat.
Plenty of negative reaction and even Steve Fielding suggested Mr Rudd was "having another of his hissy fits".

Mr Turnbull needs someone to put a bomb under him. He'll never have a better opportunity.

 

[spooly74]

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I think perhaps his attack on all sceptics may be backfiring somewhat.

I've attached his speech for anyone interested, and who has a strong stomach.

The truth is this is hard, because the climate change skeptics, the climate change deniers, the opponents of climate change action are active in every country.

They are a minority. They are powerful. And invariably they are driven by vested interests.

Powerful enough to so far block domestic legislation in Australia, powerful enough to so far slow down the passage of legislation through the US Congress. And ultimately by limiting the ambition of national climate change commitments they are powerful enough to threaten a deal on global climate change both in Copenhagen and beyond.

Right, the inevitability of no agreement at Copenhagen can now be blamed on skeptics. :nono:

Oh yeah, and temperatures here in Australia are going to rise by about 5 degrees by the end of the century. 5 DEGREES!! Even the IPCC aren't that insane. He even mentions that they remind him of the tobacco industry lobbyists, must read the ****ing Guardian too.

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Australia to lose Sovereignty to an unelected World Govt. in Dec 09

For those members and guests who haven't been following along in some of the other threads on Global Warming and the upcoming Copenhagen conference to start on Dec 7th - here's a summary of what's been discovered in recent weeks and what it means should Rudd sign the draft treaty as it stands today (and has been kept completely secret by the Australian Government without any consultation or debate)

(Note: for those who still insist on debating Anthropogenic Global Warming, go to the other threads to do this. Quite frankly, we're past the debate, the future of Australia is now on the table to be decided in 30 days and the 'wonderful' Kevin Rudd is planning to sign it with very little resistance from the Opposition)

Summary
In the last several weeks, information on the Copenhagen Treaty has been made public by Lord Monckton and the information is shocking. A World Government will be created and will have greater powers than the Australian Constitution. This un-elected World Government will have unprecedented control over every Man, Woman and Child in Australia including our economy and industry, your finances, your life and your choices and your freedom.

Summary of Information

• The last 4min of the 135min Monckton Presentation from the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40
• Alan Jones interviews Monckton who says the Copenhagen treaty is about creating a world government (MP3): http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesmonckton261009b.mp3
• Malcolm Turnbull joins Alan Jones in the studio to talk about climate change, boatpeople and Peter Costello's new government job. Fast Fwd to 16:50 (MP3): http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesturnbull021109.mp3
• Senator Barnaby Joyce joins Alan Jones in the studio to discuss emissions trading (MP3): http://podcasts.2gb.com/alanjones/alanjonesjoyce041109.mp3
  

More Detailed Information

• Alan Jones talks to Dr Richard Lindzen - Massachusetts Institute of Technology – atmospheric physicist – regarding the global warming scam. http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjoneslindzen301009.mp3
• The full Monckton youTube presentation that completely destroys the AGW movement (135mins): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0
• The Slides from the Monckton presentation (86 slides, most annotated by hovering over top left of each slide): http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/monckton_2009.pdf
• Glen Beck interviews Monckton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fsAGJwQhoY&feature=related
  
• 31,478 American scientists rejecting the Global Warming agreement: http://www.petitionproject.org/

Other Sites

• Should you suddenly find the urge to write to your local member here's a link to 42nd Parliament List of Members by State: http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/mi-state.asp
• A copy of the Draft Treaty: here

Other Thoughts

• I have only one: That the Australian People will stop this ludicrous Treaty and act now.

Feel free to post ideas and resources

 

[prawn_86]

Re: Australia to lose Sovereignty to an un-elected World Government in Dec 09

The New World Order idea/theory has bee around for a while now, and belief is slowly growing. Just how far it will go though is still unknown, but i dont doubt that there are much higher powers out there trying to gain World control.

 

[So_Cynical]

Why fight inevitability? a single world governing council of some form has always been inevitable...i didn't, and still don't think we will see it for at least a half a century, but the Copenhagen Agreement is a good start.

I know this is all hard for the right wing Liberals that dominate this forum to accept but its ALWAYS been a certainty, just because John Howard and GW Bush etc decided to ignore it all for over a decade doesn't change the facts of inevitability.

Ignoring reality for political gain is and always has been self indulgent, destructive and expensive....not to mention very stupid.

 

[prawn_86]

Why fight inevitability? a single world governing council of some form has always been inevitable...i didn't, and still don't think we will see it for at least a half a century, but the Copenhagen Agreement is a good start.

Im not against a World government per se, but i would be against it if it meant that people did not have the right to vote. It then becomes like a monarchy/dictorship where the standard 'peasants' have no way of making their voice heard and creates an (even) bigger divide between the haves an have nots. Too 1984ish for my liking if there is no voting involved.

 

[Fishbulb]

Why fight inevitability? a single world governing council of some form has always been inevitable...i didn't, and still don't think we will see it for at least a half a century, but the Copenhagen Agreement is a good start.

I know this is all hard for the right wing Liberals that dominate this forum to accept but its ALWAYS been a certainty, just because John Howard and GW Bush etc decided to ignore it all for over a decade doesn't change the facts of inevitability.

Ignoring reality for political gain is and always has been self indulgent, destructive and expensive....not to mention very stupid.

Inevitable realities? Hmmm, no thanks. I don't like things being forced on me.

I don't have a problem with govt. but I do have a problem with big government.

You speak as if the idea of world government is a a left wing notion, and that the right are imitating ostrich behaviour. But you're dead wrong, a world government - or the idea of one, has been thrown around and written about by politicians and citizens who represent the entire spectrum of politics.

If you're for the idea, that's your prerogative, but don't try suggesting that those that oppose the idea, are all right wing and backward. Ignorance is just as dangerous as knowledge.

 

[So_Cynical]

Im not against a World government per se, but i would be against it if it meant that people did not have the right to vote. It then becomes like a monarchy/dictorship where the standard 'peasants' have no way of making their voice heard and creates an (even) bigger divide between the haves an have nots. Too 1984ish for my liking if there is no voting involved.

In Australia we have two party preferred voting, so in reality a duo political dictatorship of sorts...so we have a situation where the 2 big party's change seats every 2 or 3 elections....and we call this democracy?

Its a joke....political success in a democracy brings middle of the road politics, which delays change and delivers lowest common denominator outcomes.

a world government - or the idea of one, has been thrown around and written about by politicians and citizens who represent the entire spectrum of politics.

If you're for the idea, that's your prerogative, but don't try suggesting that those that oppose the idea, are all right wing and backward. Ignorance is just as dangerous as knowledge.

A right wing world Govt is a truly scary thing...at least the lefty's have Chávez and Castro, and to a lesser extent Rawlings to make the left side of things look a little better...and i want to make my absolute loathing of the UN clear.

Anyway all this is inconsequential...there will be a climate agreement come outa Copenhagen, and it will be weak and about at consequential as the thread.