The Copenhagen Agreement - Australia to lose sovereignty?

[justjohn]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

Another proof that our democratically elected Government is dictatorship as soon as is elected and nothing can be done until next election.

Quite scary.

Also, didn’t China make enough money already on the whole world exporting their goods?

An election isn't going to save us ,the LIBS are just as useless at present .I hope they are going to grease that pole well because we are well and truely bent over ,ready to recieve it

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

....and the curtain continues to rise on the Global Warming scam - revealing a sinister initiative that's been in the works for decades, and hidden from the majority for years. UN - Agenda 21.

The key people supporting this are a majority of the world leaders - including our ever popular Kevin Rudd (and Turnbull).

Agenda 21 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJp0P6eggXU

...already being implemented in Australia under a wonderful 'sustainability' initiative that will soon fall to the disastrous control of the new unelected world government in December.

Anyone still not clear yet?? If not, do your own research to see how deep this rabbit hole goes.

 

[Smurf1976]

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I'm happy to do my bit to reduce personal CO2 emissions "just in case".

Always used energy saving lamps where appropriate since they became available and always had economical cars. The solar PV panels are up on the roof and the heat pump water heater will follow before too much longer. And it's no secret that I've always been a huge fan of large scale renewable energy generation into the grid. So I'm not against the idea of minimising CO2 emissions that's for sure - no point polluting if there's an easy way to reduce it.

But this Copenhagen Agreement isn't about that. It's using the environment as a convenient distraction to a much bigger plan. They really couldn't give a damn about CO2 or anything else - it's just a convenient means of getting their broader agenda implemented whilst minimising resistance.

Meanwhile we ignore all those real problems the world faces. You know, those trivial things like losing all the good top soil, running out of phosphate fertilizers, running out of cheaply available oil, over population, pollution in all its forms, war, hunger, water shortages and so on. Things that actually matter.

And CO2 may well matter too - pump enough of it into the atmosphere and it will probably affect something, somehow. But this nice little arrangement won't even do much to address that one - just watch total worldwide use of coal, oil and natural gas over the coming years and you'll find I'm right. All we'll do is shift the location of combustion from one country to another, a completely pointless exercise.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

I'm happy to do my bit to reduce personal CO2 emissions "just in case".

But this Copenhagen Agreement isn't about that. It's using the environment as a convenient distraction to a much bigger plan. They really couldn't give a damn about CO2 or anything else - it's just a convenient means of getting their broader agenda implemented whilst minimising resistance.

Meanwhile we ignore all those real problems the world faces. You know, those trivial things like losing all the good top soil, running out of phosphate fertilizers, running out of cheaply available oil, over population, pollution in all its forms, war, hunger, water shortages and so on. Things that actually matter.

And CO2 may well matter too - pump enough of it into the atmosphere and it will probably affect something, somehow. But this nice little arrangement won't even do much to address that one - just watch total worldwide use of coal, oil and natural gas over the coming years and you'll find I'm right. All we'll do is shift the location of combustion from one country to another, a completely pointless exercise.

Smurph can you give some factual science to back up your line which I turned into blue? Pump is too grandiose and reads like propaganda. (Not saying you are propagandising)

There is no debate in the media or by politicians about this treaty issue.

 

[-Bevo-]

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Did I read that correctly, we are going to pay China because we all been pumping out CO2 and causing global warming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

 

[Aussiejeff]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

Another proof that our [size=+1]democratically elected Government is dictatorship[/size] as soon as is elected and nothing can be done until next election.

Quite scary.

Also, didn’t China make enough money already on the whole world exporting their goods?

Hmmm.

Need new e-term(s) to describe....

Democrachip?
Democraship?
Democtorship?
Demoship?
Dictatoracy?
Dicmocracy?
Dictocracy?
Dictracy?
Diccy????

;o)

 

[Fishbulb]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

Did I read that correctly, we are going to pay China because we all been pumping out CO2 and causing global warming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

Yes

And not just China as you've probably gathered already.

 

[Fishbulb]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

Hmmm.

Need new e-term(s) to describe....

Democrachip?
Democraship?
Democtorship?
Demoship?
Dictatoracy?
Dicmocracy?
Dictocracy?
Dictracy?
Diccy????

;o)

Socialism covers it quite nicely

 

[Calliope]

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I've seldom seen such unanimity on a thread. Where are all the man-made-climate-change alarmists. When are they coming out to do battle in support of world government. They should be hanging their heads in shame, but I doubt that their Marxian ideology permits a change of direction, except for greater control over all human activities.

 

[Happy]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

Hmmm.

Need new e-term(s) to describe....

Democrachip?
Democraship?
Democtorship?
Demoship?
Dictatoracy?
Dicmocracy?
Dictocracy?
Dictracy?
Diccy????

;o)

How about: Democtatorship
or even: Democtatorshipocracy (but this one could be too suggestive)


Edit:
But it is not all bad, if we see how seriously UN is taken by some countries and what effect resolution 5 898 953 a has on a country that has got finger up in the air for all other UN member countries to see, we should sleep easy.

 

[Fishbulb]

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I've seldom seen such unanimity on a thread. Where are all the man-made-climate-change alarmists. When are they coming out to do battle in support of world government. They should be hanging their heads in shame, but I doubt that their Marxian ideology permits a change of direction, except for greater control over all human activities.

They probably realise they've been duped - and how....

 

[Buddy]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

They probably realise they've been duped - and how....

Yes, that's an interesting point. Now that the cat is out of the bag regarding exactly what Copenhagen is about, we are just starting to hear a few journos make commentary. Not a lot is coming from the alarmist side though. Maybe you are right, and they are just starting to see how they have been duped. Will be interesting to see if they can muster support for Copenhagen.

P.S. I have just written to my local member of (fed) parliament, expressing concern about what this Copenhagen thing is really about. Since there appears to be general consensus that its B.S and a con, maybe everyone should be writing to their M.P.

 

[OzWaveGuy]

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A summary of podcasts from 2GB's Alan Jones on this crazy agreement:

Senator Barnaby Joyce joins Alan Jones in the studio to discuss emissions trading.
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesjoyce041109.mp3

Alan Jones talks to Lord Monckton, British climate change sceptic, who says the Copenhagen treaty is about creating a world government
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesmonckton261009b.mp3

Malcolm Turnbull joins Alan Jones in the studio to talk about climate change, boatpeople and Peter Costello's new government job.
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjonesturnbull021109.mp3

Alan Jones talks to Dr Richard Lindzen - Massachusetts Institute of Technology – atmospheric physicist – regarding the global warming scam.
http://www.2gb.com/podcasts/alanjones/alanjoneslindzen301009.mp3

 

[dbcok]

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There was an international fishing quotas conference in Korea last month.One of the outcomes was that the blue-fin tuna catch in Australia was reduced by 30%.
How can a world body tell Australia how much to catch?
Of course the Australians were upset by the result,especially as other countries only had their catches reduced by 20%.They said that Australia had been above their quota in past years.
Do you think that it is legitimate for a world body to tell Australia what to do?
It is not democracy is it

 

[Julia]

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Commentary (read criticism) from Business Spectator about the cost blow-out of the ETS.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...oldrums-pd20091105-XGRKZ?OpenDocument&src=kgb

 

[OzWaveGuy]

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....They should be hanging their heads in shame....

IMHO, I'm sure there will be time for that later. Right now, Australia is going to lose it's sovereignty to a world government in Copenhagen on Dec 7th - mere weeks away.

The Global Warming proponents all around Australia need to stand up and voice their disgust with this ludicrous treaty along with everyone else.

 

[Happy]

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Just heard on radio our Church Minister quality Prime Minister KRudd, that Copenhagen agreement will not be binding, which is good news for now.

 

[Fishbulb]

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I don't believe that....the document is binding. A treaty means that it's agreed to last time I checked.

 

[-Bevo-]

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Glen Beck talks to Lord Monckton part 1 of 6 wont post all the others there easy enough to find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fsAGJwQhoY&feature=related

Also as to above post Monckton mentions something in the interview that it is binding, don't believe Rudd and don't trust Rudd the man is Dangerous.

 

[Buddy]

Re: The Copenhagen Agreement

Commentary (read criticism) from Business Spectator about the cost blow-out of the ETS.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...oldrums-pd20091105-XGRKZ?OpenDocument&src=kgb

I wonder how Rudd will worm his way out of this one. The whole ETS thing is turning into a shambles, as all those (US) level heading thinking people have stated. It was, and is flawed policy. Let's pray that the only thing that comes out of Copenhagen is pollies, greenies and bureaucrats with large hangovers.