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wayneL said:
Mail in is subject to fraud. Fraud is not democratic.

Listen, this is a country where the Komrades in the democommies even object to voter ID.

It is intrinsic democracy that a photo be able to identify themselves an order to prevent voter fraud.
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Surely you understand the politics around mail in votes which has been used since Linclon.

Believing Trumps unsubstantiated claims on this matter?

The only fraud being committed here is by......you know who!

The only person who is standing in the way of the US democracy is Trump, Australia being a good example of postal / absentee voting where there is no question of fraud.

A quick look at wiki

"As of July 2020, five states – Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington – hold elections almost entirely by mail. Postal voting is an option in 33 states and the District of Columbia. Other states allow postal voting only in certain circumstances, though the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 has prompted further discussion about relaxing some of those restrictions."

Republican views in 2020[edit]
In May 2020, President Donald Trump began to claim that postal voting was highly vulnerable to fraud, stating that postal ballots will be "substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed".[113] Republican politicians are divided on the issue, with some making similar claims about fraud, while others – including a considerable portion of Republican senators – have disavowed Trump's claims.[114][93][115] Experts disagree with the claims of substantial fraud.[88]

On July 30, 2020 President Trump seemingly suggested postponing the 2020 presidential election based on his unsubstantiated claims about extensive postal voting fraud.[116][117][118][119] Article II, Section I, Clause IV of the Constitution gives Congress the power to determine the date of election day; 3 U.S.C. § 1 currently establishes November 3 as the election day.
 
This is what an attack on democracy looks like.


Trump says he opposes funding USPS because of mail-in voting

President Donald Trump said Thursday that he opposes much-needed funding for the United States Postal Service because he doesn't want to see it used for mail-in voting this November.

By directly linking USPS funding to mail-in voting, Trump is fueling allegations that he is trying to manipulate the postal system for political gain. The pandemic has led to record-shattering levels of voting-by-mail, but Trump has tried to restrict the voting method because he says it will hurt his re-election and Republicans across the board.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-usps-funding-comments-2020-election/index.html
 
IFocus said:
Surely you understand the politics around mail in votes which has been used since Linclon.

Believing Trumps unsubstantiated claims on this matter?

The only fraud being committed here is by......you know who!

The only person who is standing in the way of the US democracy is Trump, Australia being a good example of postal / absentee voting where there is no question of fraud.

A quick look at wiki

"As of July 2020, five states – Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington – hold elections almost entirely by mail. Postal voting is an option in 33 states and the District of Columbia. Other states allow postal voting only in certain circumstances, though the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 has prompted further discussion about relaxing some of those restrictions."

Republican views in 2020[edit]
In May 2020, President Donald Trump began to claim that postal voting was highly vulnerable to fraud, stating that postal ballots will be "substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed".[113] Republican politicians are divided on the issue, with some making similar claims about fraud, while others – including a considerable portion of Republican senators – have disavowed Trump's claims.[114][93][115] Experts disagree with the claims of substantial fraud.[88]

On July 30, 2020 President Trump seemingly suggested postponing the 2020 presidential election based on his unsubstantiated claims about extensive postal voting fraud.[116][117][118][119] Article II, Section I, Clause IV of the Constitution gives Congress the power to determine the date of election day; 3 U.S.C. § 1 currently establishes November 3 as the election day.
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Look, a case can be made for almost anything. What seems to be unequivocal, is that the mail in voting system in the US is subject to fraud.

I don't care whether that favours the democrats or favours the republicans, I just want to see in any of our Western democracies that true vine of what democracy is.

Whatever system is being used if the possibility of voter fraud is removed then I am in favour.

However I have one reservation about mail in voting in that the vote is cast at some point prior to the actual election date. This means that the voter is not able to consider every issue that has been raised up to that critical point in time.

As per usual, it case can be made for and against that, but I think that, whether right or wrong, everyone should make the decision at the same point in time, on a particular day in November. ( If speaking about the US elections)

This is how electoral campaigns work where by sensitive information may be released at the last moment for voters to consider. Indeed that also has its faults but every voter should be privy to the same information when making the decision.
 
macca said:
metoo............. never been asked for ID ever
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same.

People in Australia think its every persons vote is equal and fair and free elections are normal and then think that applies to the USA, big mistake.

Unlike Australia where we have an independent electoral commission, their system is run by politicians so gerrymandering etc. can occur. They also have many methods to make sure people don't turn up. We shall see all of them over the coming weeks as the Republicans are desperate.

It's still the wild west over there except more dishonest.
 
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Knobby22 said:
same.

People in Australia think its every persons vote is equal and fair and free elections are normal and then think that applies to the USA, big mistake.

Unlike Australia where we have an independent electoral commission, their system is run by politicians so gerrymandering etc. can occur. They also have many methods to make sure people don't turn up. We shall see all of them over the coming weeks as the Republicans are desperate.

It's still the wild west over there except more dishonest.
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I would be exceedingly surprised if one side was "honest" and the other not.............

I am certain that both sides do their utmost to get elected by fair means or foul.

Both sides have been in power, both sides have made changes to suit themselves and both sides have complained about the other being cheats at some stage.

We are talking politicians here :laugh:
 
macca said:
I would be exceedingly surprised if one side was "honest" and the other not.............

I am certain that both sides do their utmost to get elected by fair means or foul.

Both sides have been in power, both sides have made changes to suit themselves and both sides have complained about the other being cheats at some stage.

We are talking politicians here :laugh:
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I know:( People can protest to the judiciary but that's been politicised also. Heaps of countries who have similar systems end up as dictatorships. Its a flawed system.
 
IFocus said:
Surely you understand the politics around mail in votes which has been used since Linclon.

Believing Trumps unsubstantiated claims on this matter?

The only fraud being committed here is by......you know who!

The only person who is standing in the way of the US democracy is Trump, Australia being a good example of postal / absentee voting where there is no question of fraud.

A quick look at wiki

"As of July 2020, five states – Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington – hold elections almost entirely by mail. Postal voting is an option in 33 states and the District of Columbia. Other states allow postal voting only in certain circumstances, though the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 has prompted further discussion about relaxing some of those restrictions."

Republican views in 2020[edit]
In May 2020, President Donald Trump began to claim that postal voting was highly vulnerable to fraud, stating that postal ballots will be "substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed".[113] Republican politicians are divided on the issue, with some making similar claims about fraud, while others – including a considerable portion of Republican senators – have disavowed Trump's claims.[114][93][115] Experts disagree with the claims of substantial fraud.[88]

On July 30, 2020 President Trump seemingly suggested postponing the 2020 presidential election based on his unsubstantiated claims about extensive postal voting fraud.[116][117][118][119] Article II, Section I, Clause IV of the Constitution gives Congress the power to determine the date of election day; 3 U.S.C. § 1 currently establishes November 3 as the election day.
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Ballot harvesting is the problem. And dems are guilty of it.
 
AOC Cast As Tree At Convention

WASHINGTON, D.C.—The list of speakers for the Democratic National Convention has been released. And while “Squad” member Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be on stage, she will be in the non-speaking role of a tree.


“It’s a very prominent role,” Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi explained. “She’ll be on stage a lot, standing in the background while people like Bill Clinton, Mike Bloomberg, and John Kasich speak. Plus, Ocasio-Cortez loves the environment, which I believe involves trees or something. At least that's what my butler said last time he went outside to fetch me ice cream.”

It’s unclear how Ocasio-Cortez can help further her left-wing agenda as a tree, as she has been told all she is to do is “stand very still and smile.” Ocasio-Cortez hasn’t yet commented on her role; she’s not allowed to speak since she’s supposed to be “getting in character.”
 
Day one of the Virtual Democratic Convention
Highlights
  • Michelle Obama eviscerated Donald Trump. Nailed him to floor.
  • Republicans got more air time than Progressives ! Powerful speechs
  • Bernie Sanders on board as a uniter
  • Plus more
  • Michelle Obama's speech slammed Donald Trump. Here's what else happened at day 1 of the Democratic National Convention
  • She called out Donald Trump. By name. Something that she explicitly didn't do in 2016:

    "So let me be as honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is."
  • https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/michelle-obamas-speech-at-the-dnc-went-after-trump/12566468
 
When is Biden doing a proper interview?
He is one of the only presidential candidates to skip any form of questioning.
 
Biden seeks to win over progressives and Republicans on night one
Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden gambled on Monday night that he could use his nominating convention to win over skeptical progressives and swing Republicans, a balancing act his campaign hopes will cut off President Trump’s path to reelection.

The first night of the Democratic nominating convention featured primetime addresses from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who led the progressive challenge to Biden during the primaries, and former Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R), who ran for president against Trump in the GOP primaries in 2016.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ver-progressives-and-republicans-on-night-one
 

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