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[sptrawler]

[SHY] viciously attacks him as a "middle aged white man". According to Marxist PC rules that is ageist, sexist & racist...The Redbaiter.

If that is indeed what SHY said, then how is that alright? SHY may garner a few PC brownie points out of all this, but she will lose a lot of political credibility.

Just another Gillard grandstand moment, how the media present this with an obvious bias, is just another step down the social engineering path. IMO

 

[cynic]

Here's the unedited version of wayneL's post. Yep she says ALL men have control issues and should stop acting like "morons" and "pigs" as a result of Eurydice Dixon's death. The left really annoy me with how they always play the victim card after they are caught out in the wrong.

Thanks for providing a fuller version, Tiko.

In relation to a number of her comments, there seems to be some ambiguity in her use of the word "men", making it unclear as to whether her comment extended to all men, or only to those that misbehave.

Some other comments, particularly those pertaining to the rearing of boys, are indicative of a strong prejudice against masculinity, and I find it disturbing that she isn't being called out for her sexist behaviour.

 

[TikoMike]

Thanks for providing a fuller version, Tiko.

In relation to a number of her comments, there seems to be some ambiguity in her use of the word "men", making it unclear as to whether her comment extended to all men, or only to those that misbehave.

Some other comments, particularly those pertaining to the rearing of boys, are indicative of a strong prejudice against masculinity, and I find it disturbing that she isn't being called out for her sexist behaviour.

If it was just to men that misbehave then she wouldn't be telling us to train our male children better in the same video.

She also isn't being called out for her sexist behavior for the same reason Clementine Ford still has a job at Fairfax. Funny how it works that way, we can criticise males based on their gender but as soon as we do it to a female, even sometimes when the criticism isn't gender specific, the media goes crazy. I think there is a word for that: Gynocentrism.

 

[explod]

If it was just to men that misbehave then she wouldn't be telling us to train our male children better in the same video.

She also isn't being called out for her sexist behavior for the same reason Clementine Ford still has a job at Fairfax. Funny how it works that way, we can criticise males based on their gender but as soon as we do it to a female, even sometimes when the criticism isn't gender specific, the media goes crazy. I think there is a word for that: Gynocentrism.

What "sexist behavior" on her part?

 

[TikoMike]

What "sexist behavior" on her part?

Have you been paying attention? Read the last two posts

 

[sptrawler]

She says "men have control issues". She doesn't understand or make the distinction that the Rapists and Murderers are not "all Men" but rather deranged socio/psychopaths.
Everyone, Male or Female can still have eerie feelings walking home at night. I grew up in a roughish neighbourhood, but Women were probably safer walking home due to being a protected species.

Talking about violent crimes, here's one in today's paper.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-03/woman-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murdering-eight-babies/9936702

 

[explod]

In the interview she states that "its time for men to behave normally..." etc. Her statements are general and at no time does she say "all men" for example.

A lot of word twisting from the right to cover the wrong IMHO

 

[explod]

Have you been paying attention? Read the last two posts

Of course I've read it and listened to it all, I ask again, and specifically what was or is her sexist behaviour?

tell me

 

[TikoMike]

Of course I've read it and listened to it all, I ask again, and specifically what was or is her sexist behaviour?

tell me

Well if you can't see the generalisation of her comments about men then I can't help you. You're an adult, and I shouldn't have to spell it out to you like you're a child. Read cynic's and my post again and then try again.

 

[explod]

The drivel are quotes from others, and their interpretations at that. Having had a lot of professional experience in law and interpretation I can assure you that I do understand.

You have not answered my question, WHAT is her so described sexist behaviour ?

What she states has nothing to do with her sexist behaviour bt does describe her view of men. So have a re look at my question

 

[TikoMike]

The drivel are quotes from others, and their interpretations at that. Having had a lot of professional experience in law and interpretation I can assure you that I do understand.

You have not answered my question, WHAT is her so described sexist behaviour ?

What she states has nothing to do with her sexist behaviour bt does describe her view of men. So have a re look at my question

I don't give a **** about your "law" background. You're asking me to repeat myself and spell it out to you like you're a child. Grow up and argue the point or **** off. ******* annoying I swear

 

[cynic]

The drivel are quotes from others, and their interpretations at that. Having had a lot of professional experience in law and interpretation I can assure you that I do understand.

You have not answered my question, WHAT is her so described sexist behaviour ?

What she states has nothing to do with her sexist behaviour bt does describe her view of men. So have a re look at my question

I presume you watched that video, Tiko linked.
A number of her expressed views come across as being very sexist, however, an ambiguity in her usage of the term "men", leaves an opening for a less malign interpretation.
Having said that, it is nigh on impossible, to overlook the blatantly sexist attitude conveyed by "...as parents we need to teach our sons and our boys in our families to respect girls and women."

 

[moXJO]

What "sexist behavior" on her part?

Her middle aged white men rant was bigoted imo.
I went through racial discrimination and to see a white woman, that has never felt the barbs of racism throwing out this kind of language is disgusting.

I don't want to see it used on anyone. Its not friken payback time ever. Its not attacking an ideology its targeting specific male whites as if their opinions shouldn't matter.

She used it before in relation to her taxpayer funded whale watching trip:

Senator Hanson-Young on Tuesday hit out at criticism of her for taking her daughter on a work whale-watching trip, saying she wasn’t going to be lectured by old “white men.”

 

[SirRumpole]

If it was just to men that misbehave then she wouldn't be telling us to train our male children better in the same video.

There is a shortage of male teachers in the education system now apparently, which means that it's women doing most of the teaching.

Not doing a great job are they ?

https://theconversation.com/male-teachers-are-an-endangered-species-in-australia-new-research-83464

So it looks like women will have to admit that male role models are necessary for bringing up boys and they can't do it by themselves.

 

[sptrawler]

Having said that, it is nigh on impossible, to overlook the blatantly sexist attitude conveyed by "...as parents we need to teach our sons and our boys in our families to respect girls and women."

Yes the good old days, when you were taught to respect your elders, respect your superiors, respect the police, respect your teacher, respect women, don't swear in front of women. There are many more social etiquettes, we have lost in the pusuit of a more equitable society.

The new social norm seems to have lost a lot of those old phrases, now it seems respect has to be earned, according to the younger generation it isn't bestowed.

These days, the young have just as much right as the elderly to a seat, they are just as important, so the elderly and everyone else can get stuffed.
Women are equal, so in today's world, they get spoken to the same as a couple of blokes in a workshop, speak to each other.
It amazes me, the way young people swear in mixed company, these days.
But maybe this is the result of the social changes, we are forcing on society, it is difficult to micro manage etiquette.
Sarah is right, it starts with teaching our kids show respect, but the left stopped that 20years ago.

Another weird thing is, how can politicians ask people to show respect, when acting as they do in Parliament. Weird double standard IMO

 

[sptrawler]

There is a shortage of male teachers in the education system now apparently, which means that it's women doing most of the teaching.

Would you go into teaching?

 

[Smurf1976]

What issues would they be Smurf?

The increased divide between rich and poor, the “user pays” society and the loss or hollowing out of everything from technical standards to entire industries in countries such as Australia all have their roots in the “economic rationalism” championed by Reagan and Thatcher so far as I can determine. Likewise general selfishness and a “me first” attitude.

I’m no socialist but something’s wrong when simply being in charge of a company owned by others brings celebrity-like status and earnings meanwhile there supposedly isn’t enough money to pay ordinary workers a cent more.

I’m also none too keen on the hollowing out of technical things amidst all this which seems to have reduced the inherent resilience, robustness and safety of everything from electricty to theme parks. We can’t even measure the railway tunnels and build (or buy from someone overseas) trains which fit through them it would seem.

 

[SirRumpole]

Would you go into teaching?

No, would you ?

But I had some very good male teachers when I went to school 50 years ago.

I wonder what happened since then ?

 

[fiftyeight]

It is pretty clear which side of politics. The current rhetoric by some on the left around feminism and demonising men has been less than ideal and not something I support. Using a tail event such a murder or rape to call out poor behaviour in the workplace or wolf whistling for example seem minimises both arguments.


On the flip side, I wonder if this is how muslims in Australia feel when the media use a tail event such as terrorism to judge all muslims?

 

[Darc Knight]

Sexist is defined as relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination. S.H.Y. is certainly stereotyping all Men by her non specific language in saying "men have control issues". All Feminists show prejudice as they are pro Women. I would also say I feel discriminated against by these Feminists - try being around a number of them. They are like Hyenas.
So yes, S.H.Y. is sexist imo.