The Australian Greens party

[PZ99]

Libertariansm vs PC ?

Personally I think Lleyonhjelm crossed the line and should apologise.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...fuses-to-apologise-sarah-hanson-young/9931386

When David Leyonhjelm told Sarah Hanson-Young to "stop shagging men" her best response should've been "stop shagging men yourself".

That would've been the end of it

 

[moXJO]

When David Leyonhjelm told Sarah Hanson-Young to "stop shagging men" her best response should've been "stop shagging men yourself".

That would've been the end of it

Its a sht fight now. Here come the lawyers. Interesting comment from corey



There must be video evidence.

 

[cynic]

That is not what you asked. You asked "Are the wishes of that particular prayer ,out of accord with the wishes of the people? If so, how so?".

Quite true! And your response seemed to be an immediate conflation of, references to a heavenly parental figure, with a vindictive, jealous, racist deity. So another question was aked in the hope of alerting readers to the existence of an interpretation that is both benign, and reasonable.

The first of the 10 commandments. Are you suggesting that the Father in the Lord's Prayer is different to the God who made the 10 commandments and his will does not want us to obey said commandments? And if you are saying that it really is a different God completely, then obviously you are out of tune with those who want to keep the Lord's Prayer who see the Father in the prayer as also being the God who set the 10 commandments.

I am confident that you will recall, the author of that prayer, being presented with a similar challenge. He responded, by providing a revised set of commandments. Let me know if you need any help looking them up!
Now, bearing the aforesaid in mind, how does the actual content of the prayer truly seem? Does it sound at all like someone promoting the worship of a racist, jealous and vindictive, deity? Or does it sound more akin to someone advocating for the betterment of all mankind?!!

If we are talking about your own personal God with unspecified expectations, then I shall stop wasting time arguing with you.

Entertaining concepts of god, specifically filtered for the primary purpose, of contesting the merits of theism, does seem a bit.....

So if that is the truth of one's intent, then discontinuance is a commendable choice.

 

[cynic]

Well if you don't understand a simple concept of truth vs myth

Was this intended as an insult?
If so, then you are correct when saying:

then there is really no point going on.

 

[explod]

Was this intended as an insult?
If so, then you are correct when saying:

Pretty sure no insult by SirR intended.

Only trying to get into a skull that what we can see, feel, smell and hear is real and exists. What is imagined or believed that cannot be seen, felt, heard or smelt is myth unless the physical evidence can be put before us.

 

[SirRumpole]

Was this intended as an insult?

No, you say your religion is Truth, but I really can't see much truth in the Lord's Prayer.

 

[DB008]

It's gone viral...

David Leyonhjelm 'slut shaming me' with 'stop shagging men' remark, Sarah Hanson-Young says​

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young says Senator David Leyonhjelm was "slut shaming me" when he told her to "stop shagging men"during a parliamentary debate about violence against women.

Senator Leyonhjelm could face a parliamentary censure for derogatory remarks made about Senator Hanson-Young.

He has refused to apologise to her, telling 7.30: "I'm also entitled to call out double standards."

"You don't, because you're losing a political argument, reduce the discussion or the debate down to sexist slurs and sexual innuendo, and that's what David Leyonhjelm has done," Senator Hanson-Young told RN Breakfast this morning.

"That's why I confronted him in the chamber on the day that it first occurred.

"I decided at that moment I'd had enough of men in that place using sexism and sexist slurs, sexual innuendo as part of their intimidation and bullying on the floor of the Parliament."

Senator Hanson-Young said she had a responsibility to call out Senator Leyonhjelm's behaviour.

"David Leyonhjelm is suggesting, because he can't win an argument, he wants to bully, that I am sexually promiscuous," she said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...anson-young-slut-shaming-shagging-men/9934114​

 

[sptrawler]

Yes DB008, it has all the hallmarks of another Gillard moment, the newspapers will run with it.

 

[moXJO]

Just so we are clear on who the headcase is.

 

[cynic]

No, you say your religion is Truth, but I really can't see much truth in the Lord's Prayer.

Thanks for clarifying your position.

Not much truth to be seen, you say?!!

Consider a recent spat in which accusations and counter accusations are being levelled. Now consider how different that situation could be, if just one, of the participants, were to allow certain virtues to inform, his or her, actions. (And if both had been operating, from the outset, in accordance with such truth, the dispute would never have eventuated.)

The valuable time and energy, freed up, could then be spent, in attention to their "responsibilities to all people of Australia and to future generations".

To my understanding, recognition of the validity of the aforementioned observations, and/or opinion, does not require subscription to belief in anything beyond the scope of applied logic.

 

[SirRumpole]

Consider a recent spat in which accusations and counter accusations are being levelled. Now consider how different that situation could be, if just one, of the participants, were to allow certain virtues to inform, his or her, actions. And even better, if both had been operating, from the outset, in accordance with such truth, the dispute would never have eventuated.

Application of the Golden Rule would achieve the same thing, but little is mentioned of this in the Lord's Prayer. It's mostly about God's power and is recited merely by tradition, whereas other meditations could bear more on the practicalities of life.

 

[cynic]

Application of the Golden Rule would achieve the same thing, but little is mentioned of this in the Lord's Prayer. It's mostly about God's power and is recited merely by tradition, whereas other meditations could bear more on the practicalities of life.

"forgive us ...as we forgive" (Golden Rule?!!)
"this day, our daily bread" (practicalities of life?!!)

 

[wayneL]

 

[sptrawler]

Jeez WayneL how dare you post something like that, you aren't following the script, you're obviously one of those who can't help but prove women wrong.

 

[Smurf1976]

Ronald Reagan

Given how many of the Western world's present issues stem from what happened during the Reagan and Thatcher era I won't take anything said by either too seriously.

 

[wayneL]

What issues would they be Smurf?

 

[TikoMike]

Here's the unedited version of wayneL's post. Yep she says ALL men have control issues and should stop acting like "morons" and "pigs" as a result of Eurydice Dixon's death. The left really annoy me with how they always play the victim card after they are caught out in the wrong.

 

[fiftyeight]

What issues would they be Smurf?

"We're taking down the surrender flag that has flown over so many drug efforts; we're running up a battle flag."

Hows that war on drugs going?

 

[Darc Knight]

She says "men have control issues". She doesn't understand or make the distinction that the Rapists and Murderers are not "all Men" but rather deranged socio/psychopaths.
Everyone, Male or Female can still have eerie feelings walking home at night. I grew up in a roughish neighbourhood, but Women were probably safer walking home due to being a protected species.

 

[Logique]

Just so we are clear on who the headcase is.

[SHY] viciously attacks him as a "middle aged white man". According to Marxist PC rules that is ageist, sexist & racist...The Redbaiter.

If that is indeed what SHY said, then how is that alright? SHY may garner a few PC brownie points out of all this, but she will lose a lot of political credibility.