The Australian Greens party

[luutzu]

As she was about to give birth I would say you got that right.

She got screwed, in a nice way I'm assuming, 9 months ago.

To have to still be out picking up passengers while heavily pregnant, and literally holding in labour pain to drop off one last passenger before heading over to a hospital to delivery your baby.... then to receive a congrats and a smile from Uber for being so loyal and hardworking... a lot of things are wrong with that picture.

There's another case I heard where some rich douche got an Uber ride then tweet about how awesome America is and how amazing its people are because the guy who drove him is homeless, sleeping in his own car and drive with Uber to earn a few bucks for food.

Some people just weren't raised right.

 

[luutzu]

Yeah buy shares if you want some profit sharing.
We have some of the richest and well paid employees on the planet.

All Third World countries also have "some of the richest and well paid employees on the planet".

Fair enough there are people who managed to be well paid and rich, not sure that alone is a good measure of how the country is doing.

 

[moXJO]

All Third World countries also have "some of the richest and well paid employees on the planet".

Fair enough there are people who managed to be well paid and rich, not sure that alone is a good measure of how the country is doing.

Our median wage price is well above others if not then you have the dole to fall back on. Yes I know " higher cost of living". But you would have to be pretty unfortunate to die in this country from hunger.

Guys I know that are year 9 dropouts regularly change jobs labouring and earning good money. $1000- $2500 a week. There has never been an easier time to become a multi millionaire. Or open up alternative streams of income.

 

[luutzu]

Our median wage price is well above others if not then you have the dole to fall back on. Yes I know " higher cost of living". But you would have to be pretty unfortunate to die in this country from hunger.

Guys I know that are year 9 dropouts regularly change jobs labouring and earning good money. $1000- $2500 a week. There has never been an easier time to become a multi millionaire. Or open up alternative streams of income.

If we're to only count our blessings, then yea, we're having it pretty great here in Australia.

But by the look of things, it's declining and some of the safety net and fortune for toil might not remain that way for too long.

There's the finite resources that is the backbone of our economy being pumped and shipped offshore. I mean, we're in a literally LNG glut but somehow our politicians let all eastern states be in an "energy security" problem. Yea, by 2020, we might not have enough "cheap" gas to power our home and offices if something isn't done - something like letting Santos and friends frack the heck out of our other reserves because the ones they've fracked are shipped off.

Then there's the taxing the poor more, shifting it to the rich and their corporations. Then come the cries of "can't afford anything" so we better flog it off to private investors who will look after us better.

So we better be careful and have our eyes wide open.

People in the third world still managed to not die of hunger, but they have to work 14 hour day and have tin shed for a home.

 

[moXJO]

If we're to only count our blessings, then yea, we're having it pretty great here in Australia.

But by the look of things, it's declining and some of the safety net and fortune for toil might not remain that way for too long.

There's the finite resources that is the backbone of our economy being pumped and shipped offshore. I mean, we're in a literally LNG glut but somehow our politicians let all eastern states be in an "energy security" problem. Yea, by 2020, we might not have enough "cheap" gas to power our home and offices if something isn't done - something like letting Santos and friends frack the heck out of our other reserves because the ones they've fracked are shipped off.

Then there's the taxing the poor more, shifting it to the rich and their corporations. Then come the cries of "can't afford anything" so we better flog it off to private investors who will look after us better.

So we better be careful and have our eyes wide open.

People in the third world still managed to not die of hunger, but they have to work 14 hour day and have tin shed for a home.

Age old story luutzu..... Greed
And everyone is guilty to some degree in this country.

 

[luutzu]

Age old story luutzu..... Greed
And everyone is guilty to some degree in this country.

I guess we're all greedy and want material things.

I mean we all want a decent sized house, close to good amenities; we all want our kids to be well fed and clothed, have some good education to prepare them.

To some degree, I guess we can call that being greedy. But I'm not so sure whether that's greed or just having a basic, good, standard of living.

On the other hand, say a person earn millions a year, have a few mansions, lots of property and assets for the extra income... Then purposely lobbied for tax cuts, more tax "incentives" going towards their corporations; lobby to have income redefined as "income" or "capital gains"... taxing labour income at higher rates but other income at half price, etc. etc.

So there's the normal human desire to work in a safe environment, earn a fair wage, not be exploited, afford a reasonable standard of living their labour (fairly paid) afford.

Then there's the desire to have what they call "fark you money". Earned not fairly or honestly, earned not through providing great value but earned through mere rent-seeking and manipulation of the market.


Saw a recent lecture by Chris Hedges where he described how back in the early days of British industrialisation, women and children were used in coal mine.

They're down there in the tunnels, digging and hauling coals... they can't use donkeys because donkeys pee and that would generate deadly gas when it hit the coal etc.

No air was pumped down, people work til they fall over and die. And no pee break.

So women, working so hard in difficult position mean their pelvic was twisted. Can't have kids.
The kids that they do have die young.

The captain of industry then realised that with declining birth rate [dropped by 1/3] and young cheap labour dying too early would mean no work force... so they regulate against child labour, some sort of work safety etc. etc.

Our current generation of industrialists and bankers doesn't seem to be thinking too much about not killing their labour and beggaring their potential consumer. I guess there's no need to worry about that when the world's open to your exploitation and you can always ship your goods to the very richest around the world.

 

[noco]

I guess we're all greedy and want material things.

I mean we all want a decent sized house, close to good amenities; we all want our kids to be well fed and clothed, have some good education to prepare them.

To some degree, I guess we can call that being greedy. But I'm not so sure whether that's greed or just having a basic, good, standard of living.

On the other hand, say a person earn millions a year, have a few mansions, lots of property and assets for the extra income... Then purposely lobbied for tax cuts, more tax "incentives" going towards their corporations; lobby to have income redefined as "income" or "capital gains"... taxing labour income at higher rates but other income at half price, etc. etc.

So there's the normal human desire to work in a safe environment, earn a fair wage, not be exploited, afford a reasonable standard of living their labour (fairly paid) afford.

Then there's the desire to have what they call "fark you money". Earned not fairly or honestly, earned not through providing great value but earned through mere rent-seeking and manipulation of the market.


Saw a recent lecture by Chris Hedges where he described how back in the early days of British industrialisation, women and children were used in coal mine.

They're down there in the tunnels, digging and hauling coals... they can't use donkeys because donkeys pee and that would generate deadly gas when it hit the coal etc.

No air was pumped down, people work til they fall over and die. And no pee break.

So women, working so hard in difficult position mean their pelvic was twisted. Can't have kids.
The kids that they do have die young.

The captain of industry then realised that with declining birth rate [dropped by 1/3] and young cheap labour dying too early would mean no work force... so they regulate against child labour, some sort of work safety etc. etc.

Our current generation of industrialists and bankers doesn't seem to be thinking too much about not killing their labour and beggaring their potential consumer. I guess there's no need to worry about that when the world's open to your exploitation and you can always ship your goods to the very richest around the world.

Luu, that is very well in theory if you are a thrifty person like most of us, but you also have those earning good money who pi$$ it up against the wall, smoke, do drugs, spend time on the pokies and knock around with bad women.

At the end of the day they are at the Salvation Army bumming a feed.

I have witnessed this at our bowls club...they are social members known as bar flies......they drink grog for 3 or 4 hours...they smoke in the DOSA and play the poker machines.

Then there is 70 year old leftie cry, "THE RICH ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE POOR ARE GETTING POORER".

 

[luutzu]

Luu, that is very well in theory if you are a thrifty person like most of us, but you also have those earning good money who pi$$ it up against the wall, smoke, do drugs, spend time on the pokies and knock around with bad women.

At the end of the day they are at the Salvation Army bumming a feed.

I have witnessed this at our bowls club...they are social members known as bar flies......they drink grog for 3 or 4 hours...they smoke in the DOSA and play the poker machines.

Then there is 70 year old leftie cry, "THE RICH ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE POOR ARE GETTING POORER".

You ever seen how rich people spent their money noco? It's not all about working their money harder to make more money; not about working smarter either.

I've seen documentary where a private chef hired by some Russian/Middle Eastern oligarch describes how obscene the waste and debauchery he witness on a daily basis. The guy didn't hate the rich or anything, just he thought there's better thing to do with his life than spending it serving these kind of nonsense.

There's those thousand dollar bottle of champagne; thousand dollar per small jar of dragon's caviar; the yacht, the drug, the parties.. there's some kid who chartered a private jet from London to South Africa to pick up her dog - only her dog - for some 20K pound.

So yes, there are poor people who are irresponsible; the rich aren't all responsible and frugal hardworking entrepreneurs noco.

Often, people can afford to waste money because their mummy and daddy know how to properly fleece the state treasury and get away with it.

 

[moXJO]

You ever seen how rich people spent their money noco? It's not all about working their money harder to make more money; not about working smarter either.

I've seen documentary where a private chef hired by some Russian/Middle Eastern oligarch describes how obscene the waste and debauchery he witness on a daily basis. The guy didn't hate the rich or anything, just he thought there's better thing to do with his life than spending it serving these kind of nonsense.

There's those thousand dollar bottle of champagne; thousand dollar per small jar of dragon's caviar; the yacht, the drug, the parties.. there's some kid who chartered a private jet from London to South Africa to pick up her dog - only her dog - for some 20K pound.

So yes, there are poor people who are irresponsible; the rich aren't all responsible and frugal hardworking entrepreneurs noco.

Often, people can afford to waste money because their mummy and daddy know how to properly fleece the state treasury and get away with it.

They can spend it how they like.

Im more pi$$ed over public servants wasting billions of dollars pushing paper round in circles.

 

[noco]

This anarchy at its best...Absolutely disgraceful and what are our dumb half wit politicians doing about it......Just turning a blind eye to it......Where is Bill Shorten, Richard DiNatalie and Malcolm Turnbull?

A senator attending a domestic terror training camp!!!!!!!!........She is a traitor and should be expelled from the senate.

https://antifaterrorwatch.wordpress...or-training-camp-preventing-police-from-raid/

 

[SirRumpole]

They can spend it how they like.

Im more pi$$ed over public servants wasting billions of dollars pushing paper round in circles.

I though Joe Hockey got rid of them ?

 

[moXJO]

I though Joe Hockey got rid of them ?

Well entrenched in the system. Left and Right have their rorts

 

[luutzu]

They can spend it how they like.

Im more pi$$ed over public servants wasting billions of dollars pushing paper round in circles.

The guys at CentreLink or the Honorables in Canberra and other high places?

 

[moXJO]

The guys at CentreLink or the Honorables in Canberra and other high places?

Canberra....

 

[luutzu]

Canberra....

True.

Rich people can do whatever they want with their money - I wasn't complaining about that. Just pointing out that some rich and some poor people do waste their money; it's not all about frugality and hard work with the rich, and lazy drunkenness with the poor.

As to the "public servants" in Canberra...

Heard some gentleman at a John Pilger Q&A after his "The Coming War on China" at Riverside recently where he said that the Turnbull gov't has slated an extra $48Billion on Australian armament over the next 10 years.

Pilger was saying how we don't even have an enemy. But we're eager to spend it to please Washington and go fight its wars at our expense.

If we're not careful, we'd turn out to be one of those colony that's "encouraged" to forget about investment in future industry and innovation, but to focus on our "competitive advantage" use that cash to buy whatever else we need... until the cash runs out.

It happened before when England still rule the waves. It encourages its colonies in the Americas to stick to timber, selling badgers' skin and whatever else backward farmers sell. Leave the cotton and manufacturing to mother England.

The yanks at the time was a lot smarter and didn't listen.

Not so sure about our own representatives. Haven't seen that "innovation boom" happening.

 

[dutchie]

Why we need to expose the extremism of the Greens


http://www.xyz.net.au/need-expose-extremism-greens/

 

[explod]

A very biased right wing take.

In fact Rhiannon and some of her followers were identified and are being gradually removed from influence within the Greens.

The Party is increasingly attracting new members from both right and left due to our growing support and action for unemployed and disadvantaged.

In the last two years here at Bendigo our local Branch has been particularly involved in the approval of a religeous Mosque against a great deal of right wing opposition at times being violent in expressing thier selfish stance.

 

[wayneL]

A very biased right wing take.

In fact Rhiannon and some of her followers were identified and are being gradually removed from influence within the Greens.

The Party is increasingly attracting new members from both right and left due to our growing support and action for unemployed and disadvantaged.

In the last two years here at Bendigo our local Branch has been particularly involved in the approval of a religeous Mosque against a great deal of right wing opposition at times being violent in expressing thier selfish stance.

On the one hand denying extremist tendencies, then immediately boasting the opposite.

Extrenist Islam is not the greatest danger to our culture, the greatest danger is within, our very own leftists/Greens

 

[SirRumpole]

Extrenist Islam is not the greatest danger to our culture, the greatest danger is within, our very own leftists/Greens

That's a bit platitudinous Wayne. No doubt the Greens are Leftist, but under the current leadership I don't think that provides a danger. De Natalie seems pretty sensible to me.

 

[Tisme]

That's a bit platitudinous Wayne. No doubt the Greens are Leftist, but under the current leadership I don't think that provides a danger. De Natalie seems pretty sensible to me.

Apparently 41% of the ABC staff are Green voters, 13% of the SBS are homosexuals and the boss of SBS is one too. That's taking equal opportunity to the extremes.