The Australian Greens party

[Boggo]

The Greens seem to be the only Brains left in politics these days. A good end note for the year:

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[noco]

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More burning of fossil fuels in wood fires to cook our dinner......Smoke pouring out of chimneys on roof tops......Strain you eyes at night trying reading by candle light....No Sun at night and the wind ain't blowing.

Back to the 18th century....

What a joke.

 

[Boggo]

One of their supporters...

 

[explod]

Explod, could you give a link when you quote someone, or at least say who wrote the piece.

Thanks

Apologies for that usually do, came in on Facebook but cant locate atm.

 

[SirRumpole]

Agree, they are so far left they have fallen off the cliff.

Anti achievement, anti western culture, big on PC

There is no freedom when it comes to their ideology, we all have to walk the plank of destruction.

I think the Greens are an important piece of the political landscape. We need a variety of views to pick from in order to properly express our level of satisfaction/dissatisfaction with the current government.

So we have the two old warhorses Liberal and Labor, barely distinguishable these days, the "sensible" centre aka NXT, the Left of Centre Greens and Right of Centre Hanson, plus a few Independents, loony or not. Plenty of fertile ground in which to express our opinions and keep all sides on their toes.

That's democracy and I'd prefer to have a variety of choice than have to vote for the same old lot every time.

 

[noco]

I think the Greens are an important piece of the political landscape. We need a variety of views to pick from in order to properly express our level of satisfaction/dissatisfaction with the current government.

So we have the two old warhorses Liberal and Labor, barely distinguishable these days, the "sensible" centre aka NXT, the Left of Centre Greens and Right of Centre Hanson, plus a few Independents, loony or not. Plenty of fertile ground in which to express our opinions and keep all sides on their toes.

That's democracy and I'd prefer to have a variety of choice than have to vote for the same old lot every time.

Hey Rumpy, you left out the Fabian Socialists....How dare you....Down with Labor and Liberal up with real Fabian socialism.....Like we need with a hole in the head.

 

[SirRumpole]

Hey Rumpy, you left out the Fabian Socialists....How dare you....Down with Labor and Liberal up with real Fabian socialism.....Like we need with a hole in the head.

All right, I'll do you a deal. You get rid of the Greens and I'll get rid of Hanson. Deal ?

 

[noco]

All right, I'll do you a deal. You get rid of the Greens and I'll get rid of Hanson. Deal ?

Sorry..I don't horse trade.

 

[drsmith]

Apologies for that usually do, came in on Facebook but cant locate atm.

Your quoted text is an extract from a longer article by Paula Matthewson for The New Daily. Locating the source article can be done within seconds using a sentence from the quote you posted and doing a Google search.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2016/12/02/greens-final-week-politics/

Richard Di Natale with his pragmatism played his political cards very well in relation to the backpacker tax issue. His support however for the protesters that disrupted parliament however shows how little respect the Greens have not only for our sovereignty but now also for the democratic process.

They're all still watermelons.

 

[PharmBBs]

The appeal that the Greens have for me is their recent adoption of social justice policies. It's like every other party has a mish mash of policies that I like and don't like. But the greens just tick so many boxes. I agree with nearly all of their policies. I don't really care about saving the environment, but they have been pro marriage equality right from the start even when labour wasn't.
The only policy I don't agree with is their nuclear policy. Honestly I don't see what's so bad about nuclear, it's cleaner than coal and it provides a high yield baseload. As for the issue of meltdowns, well we have plenty of desert, we can just put the plant there and if it does meltdown then nobody will be effected. But a new plant wouldn't meltdown anyway, safety has come a long way.

And ftr I don't think you need to worry about the greens being dirty commies and turning Australia red. Their leadership are all well educated upper middle class ( or higher). They won't dismantle capitalism; they benefit way too much from the system to try and do that.

 

[orr]

The only policy I don't agree with is their nuclear policy. Honestly I don't see what's so bad about nuclear, it's cleaner than coal and it provides a high yield baseload
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You need broader based literacy and understanding of the science... Just the concept of 1V Generation fast breeder sodium reactors is an anathema to more than 98% of the population.

To help get us there ex-Murde'doch lacky, and now ABC MD Guthrie axes half the science journalists in the country by taking 'Catalyst' off the air...

 

[SirRumpole]

You need broader based literacy and understanding of the science... Just the concept of 1V Generation fast breeder sodium reactors is an anathema to more than 98% of the population.

Why so ?

I don't think the cost benefit ratio of nuclear stacks up for Australia with all our reserves of sun, wind, wave, tidal and geothermal power, but we shouldn't rule out nuclear to the point where we never consider it for all time.

If a genuine nuclear design comes along that can produce baseload at competitive rates, then it should be on the table for discussion.

 

[noco]

Why so ?

I don't think the cost benefit ratio of nuclear stacks up for Australia with all our reserves of sun, wind, wave, tidal and geothermal power, but we shouldn't rule out nuclear to the point where we never consider it for all time.

If a genuine nuclear design comes along that can produce baseload at competitive rates, then it should be on the table for discussion.

And don't forget we have an abundance of cheap coal....They say coal fired power stations are a reliable source of base load cheap power.

You gotta get the balance right Rumpy.

 

[explod]

And don't forget we have an abundance of cheap coal....They say coal fired power stations are a reliable source of base load cheap power.

You gotta get the balance right Rumpy.

Wind and sunshine is absolutely free, and clean.

 

[noco]

Wind and sunshine is absolutely free, and clean.

Yeah...Yeah....what happens when the Sun don't shine and the wind doesn't blow or it is blowing too hard..

Do some thinking Plod......Just watch what will happen in Victoria and SA after March...

Yep...you got it.....no guarantee of supply.....more black outs..more loss of business in SA ..more job loses...I really thought the Green/Labor socialist left wing coalition were always the ones saying how they always guard the workers interests.

 

[explod]

Currently, as I recently posted, some countries are running on solar alone with batteries holding three days for very dull days. Power still comes through cloud it's just reduced.

And the technology is improving at an almost exponential rate with new lithium batteries next year to double in capacity for your phone.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...twice-capacity-expect-ready-smartphones-2017/

You can bet the bigger batteries will not be far behind. And then there is wind to fill gaps.

The millions being thrown at Adarnie will soon be a waste and a thinking Guvmint should be putting it into what most people want for a cleaner healthier future.

 

[qldfrog]

The millions being thrown at Adarnie will soon be a waste and a thinking Guvmint should be putting it into what most people want for a cleaner healthier future.

2 billion loan actually, trouble is that you should not be green to oppose that, just economically sensible; yet..labour or LNP, the lobbies win and you and I pay

 

[Tisme]

Back to the 18th century....

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Time move slow for some, very slow ....... thank goodness for DeLoreans

 

[McLovin]

The Greens in NSW have always been tinged with Communism much more than the Greens nationally. Lee Rhiannon is as red as they get in Australian politics. Or to put it another way, you'll never see Lee chained to a tree because an endangered bandicoot is faced with habitat destruction.

Like I said, tinged with Communism...

Internal tensions within the Greens have boiled over, with members of the hard-left of the party grouped around NSW Senator Lee Rhiannon forming their own faction dedicated to the "fight to bring about the end of capitalism".

The formation of the group calling itself "Left Renewal" is an escalation of an ongoing battle between the so-called eastern bloc of the Greens and the group they dismiss as "tree Tories".

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Following a meeting in Sydney on Wednesday night, Left Renewal issued a statement of principles that includes the "rejection of the state's legitimacy"

"We believe . . . that capitalism is a violent and antagonistic relation between workers, and those who exploit them. As workers, whether or not we are waged, we experience perpetual violence and that this violence must be brought to an end. We therefore fight to bring about the end of capitalism," it states.

"Capitalism depends upon violent and authoritarian divisions within the working class, such as elitism, sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, religious sectarianism, and ableism (among others). It is only with the abolition of these authoritarian relations that we will be able to create a thriving movement capable of transforming society and so must challenge these wherever we encounter it."

Left Renewal claims "Australia is based upon an act of genocide which exists within a broader framework of global imperialism".

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Supporters of Left Renewal include Brigitte Holly, who is due to take up a position in Senator Rhiannon's office in the coming weeks, and Tamara Ryan, who was until recently on Senator Rhiannon's federal parliamentary liaison committee.

A spokeswoman for Senator Rhiannon said she is not involved with Left Renewal and none of her current staff are.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...aiming-to-end-capitalism-20161222-gtghf9.html

It's got a real sort of O-week feel to it, when girls who don't shave their armpits bombard you with Party pamphlets.

 

[wayneL]

In the spirit od Voltairian apocrypha, I support their right of the Rhianninite faction to express their opinion; in fact I encourage it.

We need to be fully aware the type of people within the Greens.

From the naive and misinformed true greenies like Plod, to the subversive totalitarian Stalinists like Rhiannon.

Speak up Greens, speak up.