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Whoops I just turned on the telly and Mathias Cormann has laid out the problem ... it's all Labor's fault that they can't govern. I forgot that Bill Shorten is actually Prime Minister and the Libs are trying to push their agenda into strong headwinds of continuing Labor mismanagement.

At least Matt is accepting the Labor Govt can't control the falling income from mining, but they(Labor) still need to fix their mess.

I have to go and apologise to my drinking mates down the pub for insisting the LNP were voted in last election by a lot of voting people who thought they had the answers to a fabricated emergency, as it turns out.
 
well worth a read

http://www.project-syndicate.org/co...l-polarization-by-mohamed-a--el-erian-2015-05

One such trend is the political fragmentation and polarization evident in Western democracies. Fringe movements, some operating within established political structures, and others seeking to create new ones, are placing pressure on traditional parties, making it difficult for them to mobilize their supporters, and, in some cases, causing them real damage. Desperate not to appear weak, long-established parties have become wary of cooperating across the aisle.
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Likewise, policymakers should be revamping incoherent and inconsistent tax structures that are riddled with unfair exemptions. And they should be pursuing immigration reform to overhaul a system that penalizes talent, encourages malfeasance, and, as illustrated by the thousands of migrants who have drowned in the Mediterranean Sea in recent years while trying to reach Europe, often leads to human tragedy.
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Add to that an increasingly polarized and quasi-tribal news media, which can amplify divisions in society, and the scope for collaborative transformation is extremely limited.
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Tisme said:
Whoops I just turned on the telly and Mathias Cormann has laid out the problem ... it's all Labor's fault that they can't govern. I forgot that Bill Shorten is actually Prime Minister and the Libs are trying to push their agenda into strong headwinds of continuing Labor mismanagement.

At least Matt is accepting the Labor Govt can't control the falling income from mining, but they(Labor) still need to fix their mess.

I have to go and apologise to my drinking mates down the pub for insisting the LNP were voted in last election by a lot of voting people who thought they had the answers to a fabricated emergency, as it turns out.
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It's not just Mathias who can't string a sentence together without referring to Labor, for the last two nights of senate broadcast the same can be said for the LNP talking heads as a whole.

Anyway, risking some kind of conspiracy outcry from our resident LNP tragic about ABC bias, I thought this Lateline special was particularly entertaining last night (please note you will be watching someone with intelligence demolish a metasyntactic knucklehead):


snippet here:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...-mathias-cormann/story-fn84fgcm-1227352758789

full interview here:

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/lateline/NC1571H047S00

I do love it when Australians pass the fair go boundaries :D
 
Tisme said:
It's not just Mathias who can't string a sentence together without referring to Labor, for the last two nights of senate broadcast the same can be said for the LNP talking heads as a whole.

Anyway, risking some kind of conspiracy outcry from our resident LNP tragic about ABC bias, D
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The lunar right, anti immigration, cage the reffo's, english dipstick Nigel Franage in his own self-serving crude way was able to lampoon the Belgian's in the EU. Little wonder Mathias looked as comfortable as he was receiving a chilli oil " 'enema' reachy", when quizzed by someone capable of taking him apart with his own rusty scalpel. Give that man an 'exploding' cigar.

Farage ... for those who care to waste their time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY
 
orr said:
The lunar right, anti immigration, cage the reffo's, english dipstick Nigel Franage in his own self-serving crude way was able to lampoon the Belgian's in the EU. Little wonder Mathias looked as comfortable as he was receiving a chilli oil " 'enema' reachy", when quizzed by someone capable of taking him apart with his own rusty scalpel. Give that man an 'exploding' cigar.

Farage ... for those who care to waste their time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY
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Why does Herman van Rompuy look like John Howard?

ohn-howard.jpg = john howard 2.jpg
 
So, the whole thread is going to degenerate, to teenage stupid humour?:confused:

Maybe one of you clowns, can do a real life image ,of Rudd eating earwax.:eek:

Really, most would be wondering why they bother, reading the posts.:mad:

This really is degenerating.
 
sptrawler said:
So, the whole thread is going to degenerate, to teenage stupid humour?:confused:



This really is degenerating.
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Obviously you neglected to view M. time in the pillory with Ms Alberici. Welcome your critique when your ready.
At least the Abbott Gov hasn't degenerated, It's the same hapless slime it was to start with. Will Abbott preside over the first years of recession in a quarter century? There's degeneration.....
 
Remember that day we were all blindsided by Rudd announcing a Mining Tax? I certainly remember the WTF thought bubble and the instant prediction poor 'ol Kevin was for the knacker's yard.:D

Well now that poor 'ol Tony has been made to sideline Credlin, he may not have had the instant hit to the senses Kevin did, but his rudderless (pun) ship with the crew doing whatever they want, is tantamount to the same end game. I can see a new thread pending by year's end : "The Morrison Government".

The budget is so glaringly a back pedal, even to those who have blind faith in the whatever the LNP stand for this year. The major voting plank of economic and fiscal responsibility is out the window and 18% debt to GDP here we come in a few years. Of course though they crow it, the LNP govt have never taken "responsibility" for economic and fiscal issues :- it's all Labor's (i.e. half the voting public's) fault, lust like it was Keating's fault until time enough had passed to give credit where credit was due and then it was Howard's ideas anyway.

Is there anyone out there who wants to lead, without punishing the public for their errant voting of the past :rolleyes:
 
Tax whitepaper - tax free super for over 60s is unsustainable

Tony Abbott on super taxation - There will be no changes to super, no adverse changes to super in this term of Parliament, and we have no plans to make adverse changes to super in the future,”

So before much community discussion about tax reform has been allowed we have the Govt saying:

* No Negative Gearing reforms

* No super tax reforms

* Primary residence to remain invisible for access to the pension

One has to wonder why they even bothered with the expense of all the inquiries.

Combined with their utopian views of revenue in the budget, and Rusty Iron Titanicus is well and truly moving deck chairs for the finale. Hockeynomics at it's finest.

I wonder if sports bets will have anything for who presides over the next recession / loss of the AAA rating.
 
Tisme said:
Is there anyone out there who wants to lead, without punishing the public for their errant voting of the past :rolleyes:
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No there is not.

The only aim, of both parties, at the start of a new government (from day 1) is to get re-elected.
 
sydboy007 said:
Tax whitepaper - tax free super for over 60s is unsustainable

Tony Abbott on super taxation - There will be no changes to super, no adverse changes to super in this term of Parliament, and we have no plans to make adverse changes to super in the future,”

So before much community discussion about tax reform has been allowed we have the Govt saying:

* No Negative Gearing reforms

* No super tax reforms

* Primary residence to remain invisible for access to the pension

One has to wonder why they even bothered with the expense of all the inquiries.

Combined with their utopian views of revenue in the budget, and Rusty Iron Titanicus is well and truly moving deck chairs for the finale. Hockeynomics at it's finest.

I wonder if sports bets will have anything for who presides over the next recession / loss of the AAA rating.
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I must admit, I'm shocked, for all the song and dance about the tax revue, they've done nothing.

Extremely disappointing, Australian politics has become an absolute joke. IMO
 
sptrawler said:
I must admit, I'm shocked, for all the song and dance about the tax revue, they've done nothing.

Extremely disappointing, Australian politics has become an absolute joke. IMO
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Trying to make some sense of it all,
But I can see that it makes no sense at all,
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor,
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you

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Budget 2015: Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg admits wife 'double dipped' on paid parental leave


Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has revealed his wife claimed paid parental leave payments from her employer and the Government, as Labor steps up its attacks on the Coalition's plan to stop women benefiting from two schemes.



"We accessed both schemes as my wife was entitled to and there are many people I'm sure on both sides of the House who have done that," Mr Frydenberg told Sky News.



Finance Minister Mathias Cormann, who is also on cabinet's Expenditure Review Committee, has deflected questions about whether his wife claimed money from two schemes.



Earlier today Senator Cormann described the Coalition's push to stop women getting two payments as a "fairness measure" and defended the Government calling it "double dipping".

Analysis from The Drum



Johnathan Green: We've fallen through the ideological looking glass

Alan Kohler: You call yourself an 'infrastructure prime minister'?



But this afternoon, under questioning from Labor senator Sam Dastyari, Senator Cormann did not deny his wife Hayley, a Perth lawyer, received benefits from her employer, Clayton Utz, and the Government PPL scheme.



"Let me confirm for him that I have indeed had a little child in 2013 and that our family of course worked within a system that was available at the time like any other family and that my family will work within whatever system is in place in the future," Senator Cormann said.



The Clayton Utz website specifies that: "Staff with five years' continuous service or more will receive 18 weeks' leave at full pay, with maximum non-primary carer benefits increasing to three weeks' leave at full pay".

More on this story:



New paid parental leave scheme needs to acknowledge existing deals, Nick Xenophon says

Tony Abbott denies ministers called mums 'rorters and fraudsters' over PPL 'double-dipping'

Childcare package overshadowed by concerns over proposed cuts to paid parental leave scheme

Mathias Cormann urges Bill Shorten to 'show us the money' in reply speech

Nationals urge Joe Hockey to bring forward immediate tax write-off for fencing, irrigation at farms



"The firm's parental pay policy offering is in addition to the Government's Paid Parental Leave scheme."



Malcolm Turnbull earlier refused to back the language his frontbench colleagues Joe Hockey and Scott Morrison have used to criticise the existing paid parental leave arrangements.



On Sunday, Mr Hockey agreed with Channel Nine journalist Laurie Oakes that getting money from both schemes was "basically fraud".



The next day, Mr Morrison told Sky News being able to benefit from both schemes was "in many cases... a rort".



Mr Turnbull said he agrees with the policy change but will not back his colleagues' language.



"I don't agree that ministers have used that language," Mr Turnbull said.



"Let's not have an argument about semantics.



"I'm not using that language and I don't agree.



"I think it's very important that we always respect and show due empathy and concern and consideration for families and particularly mothers."

More at

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-14/budget-2-15-josh-frydenberg-ppl-wife-double-dipped/6469578


Rorters and fraudsters all...
 
SirRumpole said:
Budget 2015: Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg admits wife 'double dipped' on paid parental leave


Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has revealed his wife claimed paid parental leave payments from her employer and the Government, as Labor steps up its attacks on the Coalition's plan to stop women benefiting from two schemes.



"We accessed both schemes as my wife was entitled to and there are many people I'm sure on both sides of the House who have done that," Mr Frydenberg told Sky News.



Finance Minister Mathias Cormann, who is also on cabinet's Expenditure Review Committee, has deflected questions about whether his wife claimed money from two schemes.



Earlier today Senator Cormann described the Coalition's push to stop women getting two payments as a "fairness measure" and defended the Government calling it "double dipping".

Analysis from The Drum



Johnathan Green: We've fallen through the ideological looking glass

Alan Kohler: You call yourself an 'infrastructure prime minister'?



But this afternoon, under questioning from Labor senator Sam Dastyari, Senator Cormann did not deny his wife Hayley, a Perth lawyer, received benefits from her employer, Clayton Utz, and the Government PPL scheme.



"Let me confirm for him that I have indeed had a little child in 2013 and that our family of course worked within a system that was available at the time like any other family and that my family will work within whatever system is in place in the future," Senator Cormann said.



The Clayton Utz website specifies that: "Staff with five years' continuous service or more will receive 18 weeks' leave at full pay, with maximum non-primary carer benefits increasing to three weeks' leave at full pay".

More on this story:



New paid parental leave scheme needs to acknowledge existing deals, Nick Xenophon says

Tony Abbott denies ministers called mums 'rorters and fraudsters' over PPL 'double-dipping'

Childcare package overshadowed by concerns over proposed cuts to paid parental leave scheme

Mathias Cormann urges Bill Shorten to 'show us the money' in reply speech

Nationals urge Joe Hockey to bring forward immediate tax write-off for fencing, irrigation at farms



"The firm's parental pay policy offering is in addition to the Government's Paid Parental Leave scheme."



Malcolm Turnbull earlier refused to back the language his frontbench colleagues Joe Hockey and Scott Morrison have used to criticise the existing paid parental leave arrangements.



On Sunday, Mr Hockey agreed with Channel Nine journalist Laurie Oakes that getting money from both schemes was "basically fraud".



The next day, Mr Morrison told Sky News being able to benefit from both schemes was "in many cases... a rort".



Mr Turnbull said he agrees with the policy change but will not back his colleagues' language.



"I don't agree that ministers have used that language," Mr Turnbull said.



"Let's not have an argument about semantics.



"I'm not using that language and I don't agree.



"I think it's very important that we always respect and show due empathy and concern and consideration for families and particularly mothers."

More at

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-14/budget-2-15-josh-frydenberg-ppl-wife-double-dipped/6469578


Rorters and fraudsters all...
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Here we go again, media and political bull$hit, last year it was get rid of PPL as it's middle class welfare.

This year, it's let the middle class get Government PPL and employer PPL, jeez some of these people need a reality check.

My daughter recieved two weeks PPL from her job, after 13 years service, she has taken 12 months leave without pay as a single mother and doesn't complain at all.
I'm not saying she is a saint, but people really need to get over themselves. This me, me , me mentality will be the end of Australia, as we know it.IMO

Unfortunately, the politicians seem to be the worst example of the phenomena.IMO
 
Josh Frydenberg did not do anything wrong or dishonest.
All the other families did not do something wrong or dishonest.

They were the rules and now the Libs want to change it as is their right.
This is getting ridiculous.
 
Knobby22 said:
Josh Frydenberg did not do anything wrong or dishonest.
All the other families did not do something wrong or dishonest.

They were the rules and now the Libs want to change it as is their right.
This is getting ridiculous.
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Bill Shorten is always sprouting about fairness for all.

So is this fair for all or should some get more than others.?
 
Knobby22 said:
Josh Frydenberg did not do anything wrong or dishonest.
All the other families did not do something wrong or dishonest.

They were the rules and now the Libs want to change it as is their right.
This is getting ridiculous.
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It's the rhetoric that's getting ridiculous:

Nobody would accuse Mrs Gormann or Frydenberg of any wrongdoing in a legal sense. Morally, it might be questionable why a highly-paid lawyer and wife of an overpaid politician needs that kind of support, but when was the last time you've seen that kind of morality...:rolleyes:
The fact that she could claim taxpayer support can only be seen as a flaw in the enabling legislation, and it's commendable that plans are now being drawn up to address the previous mistake.
It should, however, be done citing the true reason: "We're correcting an oversight that led to unintended consequences", not with the "double-dipping" accusation implying it was the mothers' fault. But again, when was the last time you heard a politician admitting "we stuffed up and this is how we'll fix it"...
 
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