The Abbott Government

[Tisme]

Abbott and co screwed up the politics of the report. All they needed to do was highlight the issue, show the progress the Coalition were making to fixing the children in detention and how they were a result of Labor's term. Seems to be the instinct for any other issue - blame Labor. Same bad political advice from somewhere.

Yes they have over played their hand as usual. A simple thanks for the report and a review of adoptions would have sufficed.

But we all know the real story is succession plans for their man Timmy to take over.

 

[Julia]

Well we have another special precedent by Senator Brandis.

A message for all judges, commissions and enquiries and in particular those that might embarrass the Government.

"Your welcome to investigate any issue as far as you want. But bear in mind that we are the government and if we don't like what you have to say we will simply "lose confidence" in you, villify you in Parliament and do everything we can to remove you from your position"

Don't feel threatened or alarmed of course. Just make sure that we can at least agree with your final verdicts so we can avoid any unpleasantness"

You put up something in quotes without explaining where it comes from.
The inclusion of "your" rather than "you're" in the first line indicates someone with few clues.
You might like to tell us who this erudite contributor is.

I'm no fan of TA either but on the surface, the timing of the HRC does seem political.

No credit seems to be given for the release of 1,000 children from detention by the Abbot government, no mention of what happened under Rudd/Gillard in relation to drownings.

Good on you, Rumpole for retaining some objectivity. You're a Labor voter yet can make independent observations here.

Abbott and co screwed up the politics of the report. All they needed to do was highlight the issue, show the progress the Coalition were making to fixing the children in detention and how they were a result of Labor's term. Seems to be the instinct for any other issue - blame Labor. Same bad political advice from somewhere.

They repeatedly pointed out the improvement they have made since taking office, that the many in detention under Labor are now down to almost nothing.

However, it doesn't suit the media, particularly the ABC and Fairfax to report that. Oh no, they just climb onto the familiar "let's say everything we can to discredit Abbott and the government" bandwagon.

As someone who voted for the Coalition I'm disappointed in their performance, but the handling of children in detention is absolutely not one of their failures as it was undoubtedly under Labor.

Ms Triggs has been caught out providing conflicting evidence, so have a think about it before any of you paint her as some sort of noble martyr. Her timing of the enquiry/report was clearly political.

 

[banco]

However, it doesn't suit the media, particularly the ABC and Fairfax to report that. Oh no, they just climb onto the familiar "let's say everything we can to discredit Abbott and the government" bandwagon.

As someone who voted for the Coalition I'm disappointed in their performance, but the handling of children in detention is absolutely not one of their failures as it was undoubtedly under Labor.

Ms Triggs has been caught out providing conflicting evidence, so have a think about it before any of you paint her as some sort of noble martyr. Her timing of the enquiry/report was clearly political.

Of course it's going to lead the media if the Government is out attacking the Human Rights Commission. It makes for better soundbites. The fact that Abbott didn't know and/or didn't care what effect his handling of this would have on the media cycle just reflects his ineptitude. They've turned what would have been a 2 day story into one that's sucked up oxygen for weeks. Can you imagine John Howard carrying on the way Abbott has about the report?

 

[sptrawler]

Of course it's going to lead the media if the Government is out attacking the Human Rights Commission. It makes for better soundbites. The fact that Abbott didn't know and/or didn't care what effect his handling of this would have on the media cycle just reflects his ineptitude. They've turned what would have been a 2 day story into one that's sucked up oxygen for weeks. Can you imagine John Howard carrying on the way Abbott has about the report?

No, because the media wouln't have made such a song and dance about it.
Haven't you noticed, most newspaper articles are about what Abbott has said, and trying to make it into a news article.

There is no debate at all on the fiscal or budget situation, it is all about trying to discredit Abbott.
Which is really funny, because they have already done that, just lazy reporting.lol

Absolute dicks.IMO

But it must work, because they have most on here sucked in.

 

[banco]

No, because the media wouln't have made such a song and dance about it.
Haven't you noticed, most newspaper articles are about what Abbott has said, and trying to make it into a news article.

Yes because what he's said was newsworthy. If he'd tabled it in late december said "we disagree with the conclusions and number of kids in detention is way down" it's forgotten by new years. The blunt truth is Australians by and large don't care what happens to brown kids in immigration detention so there was never any great risk of political fallout from the report anyway.

I don't know what papers you read but there's discussion every day about the budget/fiscal situation.

 

[Bintang]

No, because the media wouln't have made such a song and dance about it.
Haven't you noticed, most newspaper articles are about what Abbott has said, and trying to make it into a news article.

There is no debate at all on the fiscal or budget situation, it is all about trying to discredit Abbott.
Which is really funny, because they have already done that, just lazy reporting.lol

Absolute dicks.IMO

+1
"most newspaper articles are about what Abbott has said" OR what he has 'supposedly' said.

 

[Julia]

No, because the media wouln't have made such a song and dance about it.
Haven't you noticed, most newspaper articles are about what Abbott has said, and trying to make it into a news article.

There is no debate at all on the fiscal or budget situation, it is all about trying to discredit Abbott.
Which is really funny, because they have already done that, just lazy reporting.lol

Absolute dicks.IMO

But it must work, because they have most on here sucked in.

+1. At least those whose own personal preferences are reflected in this sort of rubbish 'journalism'.

 

[banco]

That's a rather interesting quote Bintang:

Whenever I hear people arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on them personally” - Abraham Lincoln

No doubt there'd be less people arguing for putting children in immigration detention if they saw it tried on their own children.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes because what he's said was newsworthy. If he'd tabled it in late december said "we disagree with the conclusions and number of kids in detention is way down" it's forgotten by new years. The blunt truth is Australians by and large don't care what happens to brown kids in immigration detention so there was never any great risk of political fallout from the report anyway.

I don't know what papers you read but there's discussion every day about the budget/fiscal situation.

Just read your own response and how much emphasis you put on the issues.

My case rests.

 

[Bintang]

That's a rather interesting quote Bintang:

Whenever I hear people arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on them personally” - Abraham Lincoln

No doubt there'd be less people arguing for putting children in immigration detention if they saw it tried on their own children.

Except you are trying to blame the wrong people:
It can only happen to their own children if those same people first put their children at risk by putting them on a boat and using them to try and enter Australia illegally.

 

[banco]

Except you are trying to blame the wrong people:
It can only happen to their own children if those same people first put their children at risk by putting them on a boat and using them to try and enter Australia illegally.

You are forgetting the intermediary step where the Australian Government chooses to put them in immigration detention. A lot of western countries don't.

 

[Bintang]

You are forgetting the intermediary step where the Australian Government chooses to put them in immigration detention. A lot of western countries don't.

You mean like the Australian Government when it was lead by Kevin Rudd.
Meanwhile they did nothing to stop the influx of boats which of itself contributed to the deaths of many, many children.

And we are a sovereign nation. Thank goodness our Government is not trying to copy the mistakes of other western countries.

 

[sptrawler]

That's a rather interesting quote Bintang:

Whenever I hear people arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on them personally” - Abraham Lincoln

No doubt there'd be less people arguing for putting children in immigration detention if they saw it tried on their own children.

Try taking your own children on a boat and enter Japanese waters illegally, see if that has a good outcome.

Why you think it is o.k to just land in Australia in an illegal boat, and then be welcomed with open arms, is unbelievable.

Why not just say anyone who wants to come here can, you would empty out Africa in 10 minutes.

 

[noco]

You put up something in quotes without explaining where it comes from.
The inclusion of "your" rather than "you're" in the first line indicates someone with few clues.
You might like to tell us who this erudite contributor is.


Good on you, Rumpole for retaining some objectivity. You're a Labor voter yet can make independent observations here.


They repeatedly pointed out the improvement they have made since taking office, that the many in detention under Labor are now down to almost nothing.

However, it doesn't suit the media, particularly the ABC and Fairfax to report that. Oh no, they just climb onto the familiar "let's say everything we can to discredit Abbott and the government" bandwagon.

As someone who voted for the Coalition I'm disappointed in their performance, but the handling of children in detention is absolutely not one of their failures as it was undoubtedly under Labor.

Ms Triggs has been caught out providing conflicting evidence, so have a think about it before any of you paint her as some sort of noble martyr. Her timing of the enquiry/report was clearly political.

It seemed fairly clear to me upon watching some of the senate inquiry that Trigg was under instruction from Tony Burke and Chris Bowen to delay the report until after the 2013 election and Trigg has become their pawn...It has backed fired on them.
As at the 16th February 2015 there was only 126 children in detention....probably less by now.

 

[Bintang]

It seemed fairly clear to me upon watching some of the senate inquiry that Trigg was under instruction from Tony Burke and Chris Bowen to delay the report until after the 2013 election and Trigg has become their pawn...It has backed fired on them.
As at the 16th February 2015 there was only 126 children in detention....probably less by now.

And there were zero at the end of the Howard Government but around 2000 in 2013 before the election.
So the Abbott Government has done a great job of clearing up the mess and those remaining (however unfortunate that is) are clearly a legacy of Labor's ineptitude.

 

[dutchie]

But why then are there so many professional liars in politics?

George Orwell – springs to mind:

“In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”

Liars and hypocrites on both (all) sides of politics.

It's our system and we love it (going by how we keep voting for them).

 

[Bintang]

Liars and hypocrites on both (all) sides of politics.

It's our system and we love it (going by how we keep voting for them).

Maybe most people only keep voting for them because voting is compulsory.

And would we get anything better if voting was not compulsory? I doubt it.
I think it's always just a choice between bad alternatives.
One can only hope that the electorate chooses the least bad.
(Which btw is what I think we have at the moment)

 

[dutchie]

Yes Tony Abbott is so bad.

He has the temerity to complain about a Labor plant who lied about conditions in detention centres.
The same person who did not worry about 1000 children being in detention but waits till the coalition
are in power before she acts.

Tony is very bad. How on earth has he the gall to change an inherited system that let over 50000 illegal
immigrants into our country, had over 1000 people drown at sea, had over 1000 children in detention.
The sheer audacity to stop the boats and stop illegal immigration, reduce the children in detention
down to just over 100, stop people drowning at sea. Burn him at the stake!

Get rid of him and lets get back to the previous system, lots of new boats, lots of people in detention,
lots more children in detention again. Fantastic. Australia can hardly wait.

A lot of hypocrites on this thread.

 

[Bintang]

Yes Tony Abbott is so bad.

Get rid of him and lets get back to the previous system, lots of new boats, lots of people in detention,
lots more children in detention again. Fantastic. Australia can hardly wait.

A lot of hypocrites on this thread.

The Abbott government's achievement in stopping the boats is one of the things that for me puts them in the category of 'least bad'. But they are not perfect.

And yes a future vote for Labor will be a vote for more boats
A vote for more boats will be a vote for more muslims entering our country
And more muslims entering our country will mean more future votes for Labor.

 

[SirRumpole]

And yes a future vote for Labor will be a vote for more boats
A vote for more boats will be a vote for more muslims entering our country
And more muslims entering our country will mean more future votes for Labor.

Are you a speech writer for Tony Abbott ?