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Things are looking grim, Liberals leaking against Abbott and the Australian (Liberal Daily) running negative articles seems hardly a day goes pass without the Coalition staggering from one bad headline to the next.


Abbott looking drawn and wasted.
 
Pretty clear that The Australian and it's owner have arrived at the same conclusion as many Lib voters.

Loyalty to colleagues is a fine quality, but we are talking the future of the nation here.

One key staffer has to go, and one high profile Ministry needs a new incumbent.

Within this thread I doubt that I need to fill in the gaps.
 
You'll notice Abbott's non-denial denial:

TONY Abbott has denied “formally” proposing that Australia should unilaterally invade Iraq to take on Islamic State.

Responding to revelations in The Weekend Australian today that he had suggested sending 3500 ground troops into Iraq, the Prime Minister said the report was “false” and “fanciful”.

Mr Abbott conceded that he had “lots of discussions” about the security situation in Iraq but that he had never formally proposed invading.

“The idea there was a meeting in late November where I formally asked for advice and formally suggested that a large Australian force should go unilaterally to Iraq is just wrong,” he said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...l-to-invade-iraq/story-fn59niix-1227233681839
 
Logique said:
Pretty clear that The Australian and it's owner have arrived at the same conclusion as many Lib voters.
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I didn’t think The Australian and it's owner would want a Labor Government back in Canberra. But every gibe they make against the current Government will only encourage voters to deliver in spades at the next election what they would not normally wish for.

Strange?
 
Bintang said:
I didn’t think The Australian and it's owner would want a Labor Government back in Canberra. But every gibe they make against the current Government will only encourage voters to deliver in spades at the next election what they would not normally wish for.

Strange?
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Yes, but maybe not for the reason you may think.

Murdoch is just trying to install someone responsive to his own interests, and I have a feeling he may have come to a "gentleman's" agreement over media ownership with Turnbull or someone else and is doing his bit to undermine the current leadership, after which when he gets his own Liberal leader he will support them to the hilt.
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes, but maybe not for the reason you may think.

Murdoch is just trying to install someone responsive to his own interests, and I have a feeling he may have come to a "gentleman's" agreement over media ownership with Turnbull or someone else and is doing his bit to undermine the current leadership, after which when he gets his own Liberal leader he will support them to the hilt.
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That did cross my mind but but the time he starts supporting them to the hilt he might find he has run out of time to hose down the volatility and Queensland has demonstrated just how volatile the electorate has become.
 
SirRumpole said:
Murdoch is just trying to install someone responsive to his own interests, and I have a feeling he may have come to a "gentleman's" agreement over media ownership with Turnbull or someone else and is doing his bit to undermine the current leadership, after which when he gets his own Liberal leader he will support them to the hilt.
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Murdoch "undermining the current leadership"?
I think the current leadership does a splendid job of it himself and doesn't need anyone's help.

The sooner the next spill succeeds, the better. Even Malcolm will need more than a few months to turn the ship around. And Julie will get some time to make herself useful without having to make soothing phone calls to "explain away" any offense dished out by her Boss.
 
Julia said:
I don't know why you're going on about this. I don't think I'm obliged to comment on every part of all of your posts.

As it happens, I don't entirely agree with the latter part of your original post (the top two paragraphs from which I responded to), perhaps unusually because I more often than not do agree with you and make that clear.

So I just expressed what I feel strongly about, ie the unfairness of people living in multi million dollar homes and drawing full pension when a perfectly reasonable option like a reverse mortgage exists.

I don't care whether it's popular or not to change the status quo. Part of the reason we're in the current situation is the vote buying by successive governments in handing out tax cuts, middle class welfare etc, to the point where it has become an expectation.

It's time for the government, whether Labor or Liberal, to have the courage to take some unpopular decisions and for the opposition and the Senate to start being realistic in support.
Just my :2twocents, of course.
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The two parts of that post go together to form its broader theme.

We can look at any individual area of tax/welfare through the prism of social equity but how does that fit in with the bigger picture ?

The problem is that approach is that new distortions are created such as high EMTR's or wealth traps which in themselves can be a disincentive to earning more income or generating greater personal wealth.

From that broader context, there are other and better options for managing the robustness of the overall tax/welfare mix than means testing the family home for the age pension and that's the primary point that post as a whole was making. In the discussion that's followed, you've hinted at one such as superannuation tax concession reform.
 
drsmith said:
A future PM was on the ABC's Insiders this morning and it wasn't David Marr.
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Your dreaming....just like the right wing that Australia wont experiment again with to soon.

The Coalition seemed to think the Australian voters voted Abbott in when they voted Labor out no matter who was standing around.

Morrison is working hard to soften his profile giving away nice bits to the punters he is basically all the right have left.

I think he would make a far better treasurer than Hockey and possibly better than Turnbul but PM never.
 
banco said:
You mean bruiser? And you thought Tony Abbott had trouble with female voters.
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I don't know, I'm not a woman and I usually vote Labor, but I thought Morrison was impressive on Insiders. Direct and to the point, whereas Abbott with his shifty eyes always seems to be trying to hide something.

He may be a generation away from being PM but I think he has a chance, especially with the lack of talent the Libs currently have.
 
SirRumpole said:
I don't know, I'm not a woman and I usually vote Labor, but I thought Morrison was impressive on Insiders. Direct and to the point, whereas Abbott with his shifty eyes always seems to be trying to hide something.

He may be a generation away from being PM but I think he has a chance, especially with the lack of talent the Libs currently have.
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He's justifiably regarded as a bully/thug within the Canberra bubble. It wouldn't take long for that to come out if he was leader. Think Campbell Newman but with less charm.
 
banco said:
He's justifiably regarded as a bully/thug within the Canberra bubble. It wouldn't take long for that to come out if he was leader. Think Campbell Newman but with less charm.
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Yes, he has huge problems calling a spade a spade.
There is no way, people want to hear that.
Much better to adopt the, suck up to the press and any one else that wants to bitch about tough times.
Then again he would have a hard time sucking up to the Indonesians, he may have to employ Kev to do that.
 
banco said:
He's justifiably regarded as a bully/thug within the Canberra bubble. It wouldn't take long for that to come out if he was leader. Think Campbell Newman but with less charm.
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In that case he will be a good match for Bill Shorten...Put two thugs in a ring and what do you get?
 
sptrawler said:
Yes, he has huge problems calling a spade a spade.
There is no way, people want to hear that.
Much better to adopt the, suck up to the press and any one else that wants to bitch about tough times.
Then again he would have a hard time sucking up to the Indonesians, he may have to employ Kev to do that.
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SP,there is one thing I would say about him, he knows how to handle the left wing socialist media...He runs rings around them.
 
I'd thought Abbott would have grabbed the life line provided by the scandals coming out of the banks to launch a Royal Commission into them.

Not often good politics marries so well with good policy.

Seems he's more interested in sending the troops off to the middle east or somehow getting 3 feet in his mouth when talking to Indonesia.

Sorry to say Tony, but I'm more scared to see a financial advisor than I am of being bombed in a Sydney cafe.
 
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