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drsmith said:
Listen to the following video from 15:00 to 16:11 and you'll see one example of how her bias impacts her judgment.

It gets worse when she admits that an enquiry was off limits during Labor's term from when Julia Gillard announced the election date 6-months in advance in March 2013 (from approx 16:45).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGXi6S-7FCQ
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She sounds like a Toorak labourer to me...... you sure she is a Labor hack rather than one of the unaligned chosen elites that finds seats for bums in commissions and boards where they make living as a talking head?
 
noco said:
Because I know how the Labor Party operate......
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I thought I had a bit of a handle on the machinery in their too and something as blatant turning a public servant's head prior to a pending election just sounds too obtuse. It's not unusual for servants to refrain from being involved any cannon fodder moments around elections and historically accepted by parties.

I'm not sure using apples to measure the performance of an orange is valid in the LNP attack on the woman. Maybe they should apply similar tactics on Credlin?
 
Tisme said:
She sounds like a Toorak labourer to me...... you sure she is a Labor hack rather than one of the unaligned chosen elites that finds seats for bums in commissions and boards where they make living as a talking head?
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The numbers weren't going down ?

In March 2013 we were living with the reality of an election at any time when the then PM Julia Gillard had already announced the election date of Sept 14 3013 in January of that year ??

There's no logical justification for the first inconsistency but perhaps with the second she'd been talking to Kevin Rudd.
 
drsmith said:
The numbers weren't going down ?

In March 2013 we were living in the reality that an election could be called at any time when the then PM Julia Gillard had already announced the election date of Sept 14 3013 in January of that year ??

There's no logical justification for the first inconsistency but perhaps with the second she'd been talking to Kevin Rudd.
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I'm not sure why you think the numbers going down is such a killer argument for why there shouldn't have been an inquiry. I suspect the number of child abuse victims linked to the catholic church has reduced from say 20 years ago but they are still holding a royal commission into that and other institutions in 2015.

If your argument is that she should have held the inquiry when the numbers were at their peak (well yes maybe she should have but we only know it was the peak in hindsight).
 
drsmith said:
The numbers weren't going down ?

In March 2013 we were living with the reality of an election at any time when the then PM Julia Gillard had already announced the election date of Sept 14 3013 in January of that year ??

There's no logical justification for the first inconsistency but perhaps with the second she'd been talking to Kevin Rudd.
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The thing about the service is everyone in it generally knows everything before the main players do. I seem to recall we all knew the election was coming in like locals know the Fremantle Doctor is about to arrive.

I have a healthy dislike of these commissars and I'm guessing some on the estimates committees (et al) do too. The scene in Blues Bros about Illinois Nazis comes to mind.
 
banco said:
I'm not sure why you think the numbers going down is such a killer argument for why there shouldn't have been an inquiry. I suspect the number of child abuse victims linked to the catholic church has reduced from say 20 years ago but they are still holding a royal commission into that and other institutions in 2015.

If your argument is that she should have held the inquiry when the numbers were at their peak (well yes maybe she should have but we only know it was the peak in hindsight).
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She tried to claim they weren't going down as justification for the timing of her enquiry after earlier acknowledging that they were going down.

If she was waiting for a peak, she could still be waiting if we had retained a Labor government. On the way up is a more appropriate time to have it than on the way down.
 
drsmith said:
She tried to claim they weren't going down as justification for the timing of her enquiry after earlier acknowledging that they were going down.
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Triggs would be a very interesting candidate for interrogation by Dr Lightman of "Lie To Me" fame.
 
For anyone interested in the facts, as opposed to Labor's, and the good Professor's political opportunism. It's in the Love Media, so it must be true.

Watch out for the inevitable I'll Ride With You Gillian social media campaign.

Gillian Triggs: Set on a course of self-martyrdom - February 26, 2015 - by Paul Sheehan, SMH
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/gillian-triggs-set-on-a-course-of-selfmartyrdom-20150225-13oook.html

..She [Triggs] was never asked to resign. Both the Attorney-General, Senator George Brandis, and the head of his department, flatly denied ever asking for her resignation. In her testimony to the Senate inquiry on Tuesday, it emerged she had inferred this meaning out of comments made in a meeting that she herself had requested.

The government's confidence in her judgement started eroding a long time ago. Late last year, she claimed the detention centre on Christmas Island was patrolled by armed guards. This was not true and was one of several inflammatory observations that did not withstand scrutiny..

..Now, under Dr Triggs, the commission has moved to attach blame for the mental cruelties imposed on children in detention to the government which did not create the problem and has largely solved it.

This is not a first for the commission. It is a divisive bureaucracy which spends $25 million a year on its permanent quest for relevance in a country with an abundance of human rights protections.
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banco said:
I've no doubt she leans to the left but to think that she's going to have a conversation with Bowen and Burke where they suggest she screw the liberal party by waiting until after the election to launch the inquiry (or that she made the suggestion) is cuckoo land stuff.
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The commission had an inquiry before the 2007 election when there were only 4 in detention under Howard and none after that while the Labor party allowed in 50,000 with 1200 deaths at sea....Why didn't Trigg or the HRC have an inquiry between 2007 and 2013 when the flood of illegals were allowed in by an incompetent government...At that stage over 2000 children were in detention and the detention centers were full and overflowing....There was no room left in detention centers so the Green/Labor party allowed these people into the community without proper scrutiny just to relieve the pressure on the detention centers....Trigg gloated how quick the Green/Labor party had processed these illegals in just 3 months while the Liberal Party were taking 6 months....Now you can see why.

Gillard called the September election in March 2013 and Trigg admitted had she released the report after March 2013 it could have been political damaging to the Labor Party....The Labor Party could not possibly have been in caretaker mode for 6 months....She is a Labor hack and that cannot be denied.

It was all about one big effort by Trigg, Bowen and Burke to discredit the Liberal Party...IMO They are rotten to the core.
 
noco said:
The commission had an inquiry before the 2007 election when there were only 4 in detention under Howard and none after that while the Labor party allowed in 50,000 with 1200 deaths at sea....Why didn't Trigg or the HRC have an inquiry between 2007 and 2013 when the flood of illegals were allowed in by an incompetent government...At that stage over 2000 children were in detention and the detention centers were full and overflowing....There was no room left in detention centers so the Green/Labor party allowed these people into the community without proper scrutiny just to relieve the pressure on the detention centers....Trigg gloated how quick the Green/Labor party had processed these illegals in just 3 months while the Liberal Party were taking 6 months....Now you can see why.

Gillard called the September election in March 2013 and Trigg admitted had she released the report after March 2013 it could have been political damaging to the Labor Party....The Labor Party could not possibly have been in caretaker mode for 6 months....She is a Labor hack and that cannot be denied.

It was all about one big effort by Trigg, Bowen and Burke to discredit the Liberal Party...IMO They are rotten to the core.
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How the Green/Labor party and the ABC have come to the defence of Trigg says it all.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...-unlikely-victim/story-fni0ffxg-1227239124238

Triggs should be finished as president of the Human Rights Commission. She has destroyed its reputation — such as it was — for impartiality. She refused to hold an inquiry into children in detention when Labor was in power and there were nearly 2000 of them, minus the dozens who’d drowned coming over.

No, she waited until after the 2013 election, when the Abbott Government was in power, stopping the boats and releasing all but 10 per cent of the children that Labor locked up at its peak.
 
Logique said:
For anyone interested in the facts, as opposed to Labor's, and the good Professor's political opportunism. It's in the Love Media, so it must be true.

Watch out for the inevitable I'll Ride With You Gillian social media campaign.

"This is not a first for the commission. It is a divisive bureaucracy which spends $25 million a year on its permanent quest for relevance in a country with an abundance of human rights protections."
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Wasn't the HRC a Labor creation in the first place? I think it came into being during the Hawke era.
I would like to see a list of all the other garbage reports this mob has produced for $25 million a year.
 
Bintang said:
Wasn't the HRC a Labor creation in the first place? I think it came into being during the Hawke era.
I would like to see a list of all the other garbage reports this mob has produced for $25 million a year.
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Maybe you would also like to criticise the appointment of Tim Wilson, IPA and Liberal Party functionary to the Commission at a salary of $389,000 plus $56,000 expenses pa. (That's more than a Cabinet Minister).

Mr Wilson has formerly said that the Commission should be abolished, but he is number one for hypocrisy when it comes to snouts at the trough.
 
Just to throw my 2c in....

I'm basicallly a liberal voter (if you don't want to vote Labor, there's not a lot else to choose from (no the Greens are not a grown-ups party)).

I have always said, and a journalist more or less said it yesterday, Abbott is an 'attack dog'.

Deployed the right way, Abbott can be extremely effective at tearing his opponent apart, but he was never leadership material. He can't bring people together.
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe you would also like to criticise the appointment of Tim Wilson, IPA and Liberal Party functionary to the Commission at a salary of $389,000 plus $56,000 expenses pa. (That's more than a Cabinet Minister).

Mr Wilson has formerly said that the Commission should be abolished, but he is number one for hypocrisy when it comes to snouts at the trough.
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If they are all part of it then YES.
My question is about whether the HRC is giving us value for money.
 
Bintang said:
If they are all part of it then YES.
My question is about whether the HRC is giving us value for money.
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I doubt if it is.

There seems to be no shortage of lawyers who want to stick their noses into the human rights issue who are not paid a salary by the taxpayer, so why not leave it to them to put the case ?
 
themeinvestor said:
I'm basicallly a liberal voter (if you don't want to vote Labor, there's not a lot else to choose from (no the Greens are not a grown-ups party)).
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The choice at the ballot box is always between what is bad and what is less bad.
The political class on both sides of politics is in it for themselves first and foremost. Anybody who thinks/claims otherwise is either one of them or retarded.
In the past I have voted Labor when I thought it was in the best interest of the country to do so.
Haven't thought that way for many years now.
But it doesn't make me a rusted on Liberal voter. I wish we had better choices.
 
SirRumpole said:
I doubt if it is.

There seems to be no shortage of lawyers who want to stick their noses into the human rights issue who are not paid a salary by the taxpayer, so why not leave it to them to put the case ?
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Because they don't have the power to force the Government to hand over information?
 
banco said:
Because they don't have the power to force the Government to hand over information?
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Maybe the ordinary citizen should have this ability, with judicial oversight, rather than just giving the power to selected people.

There is the Freedom of Information Act, which should be extended to make the government give good reasons for withholding information, rather than the bureaucratic mess that it is now.
 
I'm with Bintang.

I have voted Liberal more than Labor but have voted both ways depending on who will best serve the country as a whole. I think Abbott has completely lost sight of this as he really wants to fight rather than thinking what he can do to improve the country. I thought the scare might change his attitude slightly but he seems to be even worse.

I am also very disappointed in the political class of this country. In the days of Hawke and Howard we had parties with vision. Rudd may have had a vision but was too much a dictator. Gillard wasn't up to the job and if Abbott was honest with himself he is at Gillard's level.

There is so much talent in the Libs but the old warhorses in the Cabinet are blocking it.
Come on Libs just get on with it, sack Abbott. Once he is gone he can't hurt you. Just too many career politicians.
 
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