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SirRumpole said:
"Appalling" is a relative word, and I wouldn't go that far, but I would say that billing the taxpayer for publicising his own book, or attending a private wedding and sending taxpayers the bill indicates a lack of basic honesty that you would expect in a PM that should set an example to his colleagues and others.

The fact that travel rorts are widely abused is irrelevant . Someone should set an example and it should come from the top.

The hypocrisy of government members in prosecuting Peter Slipper (not that I have any liking for him) for abusing travel payments while themselves just paying money back when they get caught out highlights their arrogance and "born to rule" mentality, which goes down very badly in the public eye.



John Howard did that for most of his reign, but when it came to Workchoices that trust was eroded and it cost him his job, and his seat.
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Yeah Rumpy, we know all that stuff.....that repetitive rhetoric is becoming boring.
 
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SirRumpole said:
"Appalling" is a relative word, and I wouldn't go that far, but I would say that billing the taxpayer for publicising his own book, or attending a private wedding and sending taxpayers the bill indicates a lack of basic honesty that you would expect in a PM that should set an example to his (Liberal) colleagues and others.

The fact that travel rorts are widely abused is irrelevant . Someone should set an example and it should come from the (Liberal) top.

The hypocrisy of (Liberal) government members in prosecuting (Liberal) Peter Slipper (not that I have any liking for him) for abusing travel payments while (Liberal) themselves just paying money back when they get caught out highlights their (Liberal) arrogance and (Liberal) "born to rule" mentality, which goes down very badly in the (Liberal & Labor) public eye.



(Liberal) John Howard did that for most of his reign, but when it came to (Liberal) Workchoices that trust was eroded and it cost him his job, and his (Liberal) seat.
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:D
 
SirRumpole said:
"Appalling" is a relative word, and I wouldn't go that far, but I would say that billing the taxpayer for publicising his own book, or attending a private wedding and sending taxpayers the bill indicates a lack of basic honesty that you would expect in a PM that should set an example to his colleagues and others.

The fact that travel rorts are widely abused is irrelevant . Someone should set an example and it should come from the top.

The hypocrisy of government members in prosecuting Peter Slipper (not that I have any liking for him) for abusing travel payments while themselves just paying money back when they get caught out highlights their arrogance and "born to rule" mentality, which goes down very badly in the public eye.



John Howard did that for most of his reign, but when it came to Workchoices that trust was eroded and it cost him his job, and his seat.
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And he qualifies for the extreme abuse he recieves, based on the above, jeez really.

It is somewhat sad, that we humans have a 'pack' mentality, it isn't a very attractive trait.

Now the Government has folded on defence spending cuts, spend, spend, spend is what everyone wants.:D

I guess I'm old fashioned, and need to get with the times.
 
sptrawler said:
And he qualifies for the extreme abuse he recieves, based on the above, jeez really.

It is somewhat sad, that we humans have a 'pack' mentality, it isn't a very attractive trait.

Now the Government has folded on defence spending cuts, spend, spend, spend is what everyone wants.:D

I guess I'm old fashioned, and need to get with the times.
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SP. the Green/Labor left wing socialists are in complete denial and just don't want to accept reality....they have absolutely no concern for the welfare of Australia and those who live here......no National interest.....only interested in themselves....Sham on them.
 
It is going to be so interesting to see how the Abbott Government and the Liberal Party overall respond to how the Labour party so decisively won the Victorian State election.

The fact was that Labour embarked on a systematic person to person conversation with the swinging voters in the key marginal electorates. It took thousands of committed volunteers but the result is there to see. The conversations had an effect.

It is Londan to a brick that this model will be rolled out for the next Federal election. But far more significantly for the Libs I just cannot see how they counteract it. As far as I can see they just couldn't muster the thousands of people required to doorknock and talk with the hundreds of thousands of voters that were approached in Victoria.

Even worse for the Libs what they will hear from the doorknockers will be 10 times uglier than anything Napthine did.

Victorian Labor says its victory has revolutionised politics

Grassroots polling strategy targeting 18 seats achieves a 60-year first by defeating Coalition after just one term in office

Gay Alcorn


Victorian Labor and the union movement believe they have revolutionised political campaigning in Australia. They implemented a detailed, grassroots strategy for Saturday’s state election, recruiting thousands of volunteers to talk to people one-on-one to convince them to vote against the government.

Labor’s marginal seats director, Kosmos Samaras, said the party had piloted the “field campaign” strategy in key seats at last year’s federal election. It was fully applied for the first time at Saturday’s state poll in 18 marginal seats.

Labor won the election, defeating the Coalition government after a single term in office, the first time that has happened in Victoria for almost 60 years. The outgoing government has acknowledged it was out-campaigned by Labor.

Samaras said there remained “institutional resistance” to the strategy within the ALP, but senior officials from NSW and Queensland had visited Victoria to assess whether it should be rolled out in a comprehensive way around the country.

Field campaigning is based on techniques developed by the Democrats and progressive movements in the United States. Samaras said politics had changed dramatically, and it was a proven way to make a cynical public engage with political issues that mattered most to them. The Greens use similar grassroots techniques.
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sptrawler said:
It isn't rocket science, to kick start the economy and pay down debt.
First drop the value of the dollar, second reduce wages, third take money from those who have it.lol even if it has taken you a lifetime to save it.

Bet you won't find them agreeing to reduce the politicians pensions, Labor managed to wedge in a 30% increase, just before being thrown out.lol
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Quarantine NG to new builds.
Force APRA and RBA to bring in macro-prudential along the lines of what NZ introduced

Now that you've put a cap on mortgage debt ballooning the RBA can lower interest rates

Establish a policy for the future that will limit the AUD from going too far above it's fundamental value - ie don't let Dutch Disease kill off the non mining sectors again.

This should have been done over a decade ago. It's a massive blind spot to the major parties.

Instead of pumping billions into roads that have a less than a $ economic return for each $ invested, use funds to encourage the states to move towards land taxes to make infrastructure investment self funding via increases in land values through infrastructure being recouped via higher land taxes. Infrastructure Australia already has a lit of projects that would help with the current CAPEX cliff and increase the productive potential of the economy over the medium to long term. That the Govt is ignoring IA is up their with Labor's ignoring of the Henry tax review.

Technically Labor didn't wedge any increases in. It's a supposedly independent process on the pollies pay, and I don't seem to recall the Liberals calling for any form of wage restraint.

noco said:
SP. the Green/Labor left wing socialists are in complete denial and just don't want to accept reality....they have absolutely no concern for the welfare of Australia and those who live here......no National interest.....only interested in themselves....Sham on them.
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I'd argue 95% of the country is in denial.

Macquarie Bank sums it up quite nicely today. I'd argue the below is another reason for the angst within the electorate. Most people are already feeling like it's a recession.

Tailwinds that have boosted demand in Australia over the past few decades are set to ease, or reverse course. The end of Australia’s terms of trade boom is set to drag on income growth, resulting in a weak demand environment at a time when structural headwinds to growth – particularly demographics – are beginning to be felt…

The current expansion in GDP is expected to continue. Ordinarily this would be expected to be consistent with a strong domestic demand environment.

However, current GDP growth is narrowly based. Resource exports are the major contributor to GDP growth, with population growth the other driver. Outside of these two factors, the economy is weak. We expect GDP ex- resources to decline, on a per capita basis, over the year to 2Q 2015.

The rise in Australia’s terms of trade has seen nominal GDP growth rise strongly over recent years. Rising commodity prices translated into strong economy-wide income growth, which boosted domestic demand. The reversal of the terms of trade is having the opposite effect. Nominal GDP growth has slumped, Gross Domestic Income (GDI) is growing at just 1.3%pa, and so is Domestic Final Demand (1.4%pa). GDI fell in the last quarter, and partial data thus far suggest Australia could record an “income recession” in the 3Q14 GDP figures…

The impacts of the terms of trade decline will persist for some time… Some moderation in income growth looks to be inevitable, and moderating population growth, demographic challenges, slack in the labour market and benign inflation conditions suggest modest nominal growth outcomes are likely to persist.
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Pretty much all the reasons Howard is lauded as an economic marvel are now in reverse. The true economic marvel will be the politician who can honestly explain the above to the voters, create a centrist budget plan that shares the pain of cuts AND tax increases fairly, and is able to communicate this in such a way that the public accepts it and then the senate has little support to block the measures. We have world leading tax expenditures to be hacked into.

The current Govt doesn't seem up to the task based on their performance this year, though Labor has not done anything to make me think they're willing to be any more honest than Abbott was when in opposition.
 
A little bit more annalysis on just how unfair the university deregulation will be.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/hig...see-48k-degrees/story-e6frgcjx-1227067015109#

The University of Western Australia has already responded to fee deregulation by announcing that it would charge an annual fee of $16,000 for the five basic undergraduate courses it offers, which is around double the current HELP rate for most undergraduate degrees.
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In June, the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM), which is attached to the University of Canberra, released estimates of how the May Budget’s changes to university fees are likely to impact on various courses, and found that the impact would “be felt most strongly for low-pay occupations such as nursing or education, and across the board the impacts are larger for females”. The modelling “assumed that students will face a repayment interest rate of 5% which is around twice that of the CPI (the existing indexation) but lower than the typical 10 year Treasury bond rate (the proposed loan interest rate) of 6% over the past decade” (see below table).

We're already falling behind in the STEM fields. Considering a lot of the jobs in those industries aren't the highest paying, we'll likely see more students opting to do something finance related to help repay the doubling of their debts. I suppose it makes sense for a Govt without a science minister.


The below video sums up where we're headed if these changes make it through.

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It's the universities job to serve the needs of the nation, not themselves.

They do this by providing the skills that we as a nation need to grow the economy and provide services while the graduates earn more money and therefore pay more tax (hopefully).

So even if the universities increase their prestige factor and become more attractive to foreign students, so what ?

The foreign students then go back to their own countries and provide services there, and pay no tax here. What benefit is that to us ?

Christopher Pyne and his cronies should get real and stop looking at all government activities in fundamentalist market terms.

There is such a thing as the national interest, and deregulated universities will not be contributing to that.
 
sydboy007 said:
Quarantine NG to new builds.
Force APRA and RBA to bring in macro-prudential along the lines of what NZ introduced

Now that you've put a cap on mortgage debt ballooning the RBA can lower interest rates

Establish a policy for the future that will limit the AUD from going too far above it's fundamental value - ie don't let Dutch Disease kill off the non mining sectors again.

This should have been done over a decade ago. It's a massive blind spot to the major parties.

Instead of pumping billions into roads that have a less than a $ economic return for each $ invested, use funds to encourage the states to move towards land taxes to make infrastructure investment self funding via increases in land values through infrastructure being recouped via higher land taxes. Infrastructure Australia already has a lit of projects that would help with the current CAPEX cliff and increase the productive potential of the economy over the medium to long term. That the Govt is ignoring IA is up their with Labor's ignoring of the Henry tax review.

Technically Labor didn't wedge any increases in. It's a supposedly independent process on the pollies pay, and I don't seem to recall the Liberals calling for any form of wage restraint.



I'd argue 95% of the country is in denial.

Macquarie Bank sums it up quite nicely today. I'd argue the below is another reason for the angst within the electorate. Most people are already feeling like it's a recession.



Pretty much all the reasons Howard is lauded as an economic marvel are now in reverse. The true economic marvel will be the politician who can honestly explain the above to the voters, create a centrist budget plan that shares the pain of cuts AND tax increases fairly, and is able to communicate this in such a way that the public accepts it and then the senate has little support to block the measures. We have world leading tax expenditures to be hacked into.

The current Govt doesn't seem up to the task based on their performance this year, though Labor has not done anything to make me think they're willing to be any more honest than Abbott was when in opposition.
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Good post Syd, your last sentence sums up my feelings, exactly.
 
sydboy007 said:
In June, the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM), which is attached to the University of Canberra, released estimates of how the May Budget’s changes to university fees are likely to impact on various courses, and found that the impact would “be felt most strongly for low-pay occupations such as nursing or education,
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Could that be because nursing and teaching, really shouldn't be university degrees?

Maybe a return to teaching hospitals and teachers traing colleges is called for.
Where a large component is actually on the job training, where trainee nurses work in the hospital and do a three year traineeship.
The same could apply to teacher training, it's not as though they are formulating abstract curiculum, that requires indepth quantum mathmatics.
A large component of both jobs, is interpersonal and observation skills, which are developed in the work place.

The main reasons they became uni degrees had nothing to do with complexity, more to do with the unions justifying pay restructures and it also faciltated the governments getting out of the cost of training.

Much like, when governments washed their hands of taking on heaps of apprentices, saying it was the responsibility of the private sector.
 
Nothing like mounting fear on the back bench to sharpen a few knives.

The Victorian election has really rattled a few cages lets see if Abbott can do a back step triple pike back ward somersault with more lies and broken promisers.


I still think the ADF pay rise has legs yet certainly one of the more cowardly moves yet to price signal the public service hiding behind the arm forces.
 
IFocus said:
Nothing like mounting fear on the back bench to sharpen a few knives.

The Victorian election has really rattled a few cages lets see if Abbott can do a back step triple pike back ward somersault with more lies and broken promisers.


I still think the ADF pay rise has legs yet certainly one of the more cowardly moves yet to price signal the public service hiding behind the arm forces.
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You just don't get, do you?

You and you comrades are in complete denial and will not accept the fact that the Green/Labor socialist left wingers left no money in the kitty...as I keep saying, those $900 generous Rudd cheques were just a loan and now must be paid back...they all rubbed their hands together when they arrived in the post, but in actual fact it was one big Rudd con job and now nobody wants to part with it....it is simple....you borrow money you have to pay it back with interest.

There is a lot of greed out there and nobody wants to tighten their belts...They all put their greasy palms out for more money, led by the unions, without any thought as to where the money comes from....They all think the country owes them a living and that there is no bottom to the pit of money....The Labor party's philosophy is, keep filling the workers pockets and they will all be happy....take some away and you are the worst in the world.

Wake up Australia....your country needs you to pull your weight....don't be so greedy when times are tough.
 
noco said:
Wake up Australia....your country needs you to pull your weight....don't be so greedy when times are tough.
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Oh yes, all the low income people are sooo greedy, slaving away for minimal wages, unpaid overtime, holidays not taken etc.

Most of us don't have multiple negative geared investment properties at the taxpayers expense, or stash away large amounts of our bloated incomes in super taxed at 15% when our normal rate is 45%.

Fix these black holes and the rest of us may just start to think that everyone is pulling their weight.
 
SirRumpole said:
Oh yes, all the low income people are sooo greedy, slaving away for minimal wages, unpaid overtime, holidays not taken etc.

Most of us don't have multiple negative geared investment properties at the taxpayers expense, or stash away large amounts of our bloated incomes in super taxed at 15% when our normal rate is 45%.

Fix these black holes and the rest of us may just start to think that everyone is pulling their weight.
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It is the old old story...some people work harder than others..those hard workers who don't restrict themselves to 38 hour working week, pay their share of taxes, put some away for a rainy day are frowned upon for what they have achieved....then there are some clowns who are happy to work 38 hours per week and many who don't want to work at all, pizz it up against the wall and smoke their heads off and expect everything from the government for nothing......I am not saying they are not all like that but those are not are just happy to plod along in struggle street.

Yes from one who knows about slaving away, unpaid overtime and no holidays sometimes for 7 years....60 to 70 hours a week and the likes of you begrudge that type of person for what they have and what they have achieved.

Give it a break.
 
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