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So_Cynical said:
Ok so how about choosing between Morrison and Turnbull. :D i feel a massive, red neck shift to the right coming on.
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Good to see you didn't dispute the facts, the biggest redneck around was Rudd, I've knocked around with some pretty rough guys.
But Rudd would put them to shame for unabated vulgar language and dissrespect for other people.

Just keep living your story.
I'm sure the workers will feel a lot more pain if Labor get in, than they ever did or would, under the coalition.
Take that to the bank.lol
 
My guess is that soon we will be discussing the Morrison Government.

Turnbull won't be made leader by the Liberals and the Nats would not tolerate him.

Julie Bishop is a possibility, but an outside one I believe.

Unfortunately Tony Abbott did such a good job at getting rid of both Rudd and Gillard, he has made the LNP unelectable under his leadership.

gg
 
A Morrison government... Let me think about about that for moment..

I suggest it would be moving from somewhere to the left of Ghengis Khan to a few metres to his right. We could kiss goodbye to the High Court permanently as a damn nuisance and expect automatic surveillance for anyone deemed to be a suspected "enemy of the state."

Yep just what we wanted.
 
basilio said:
A Morrison government... Let me think about about that for moment..

I suggest it would be moving from somewhere to the left of Ghengis Khan to a few metres to his right.
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Govt on a need to know basis, kick the cameras out of parliament as a cost saving measure.
 
basilio said:
A Morrison government... Let me think about about that for moment..

I suggest it would be moving from somewhere to the left of Ghengis Khan to a few metres to his right. We could kiss goodbye to the High Court permanently as a damn nuisance and expect automatic surveillance for anyone deemed to be a suspected "enemy of the state."

Yep just what we wanted.
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Agree. The Coalition has already moved too far to the Right, and that is why they are so unpopular.

The Coalition are on the road to self destruction, because the only leader they have who is acceptable to the public is Turnbull, but the Coalition won't pick him.

Tough luck to them in that case, they are heading for a one term stint same as Victoria.
 
So_Cynical said:
Govt on a need to know basis, kick the cameras out of parliament as a cost saving measure.
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Your still waxing into a Labor morphed, story.lol

Would that be a Rudd, " someone fff that ffing camera out of here untill I'm ffing ready". lol,lol

You're already starting to jump on the Greens shirt tails.:D
 
SirRumpole said:
Agree. The Coalition has already moved too far to the Right, and that is why they are so unpopular.

The Coalition are on the road to self destruction, because the only leader they have who is acceptable to the public is Turnbull, but the Coalition won't pick him.

Tough luck to them in that case, they are heading for a one term stint same as Victoria.
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Well I certainly hope not for your sake, apparently you say, your a self funded retiree.:D

First cab off the rank.:xyxthumbs

Won't affect So Cynical, just spends more time in the Phillipines.

It isn't rocket science, to kick start the economy and pay down debt.
First drop the value of the dollar, second reduce wages, third take money from those who have it.lol even if it has taken you a lifetime to save it.

Bet you won't find them agreeing to reduce the politicians pensions, Labor managed to wedge in a 30% increase, just before being thrown out.lol
 
basilio said:
A Morrison government... Let me think about about that for moment..

I suggest it would be moving from somewhere to the left of Ghengis Khan to a few metres to his right. We could kiss goodbye to the High Court permanently as a damn nuisance and expect automatic surveillance for anyone deemed to be a suspected "enemy of the state."

Yep just what we wanted.
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If you think Tony Abbott is unpopular wait until they put a true sociopath like Morrison in charge.
 
banco said:
If you think Tony Abbott is unpopular wait until they put a true sociopath like Morrison in charge.
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Why, because he doesn't let Indonesia use us like a welcome matt? That makes him a sociopath, weird, what did you call Rudd?

Getting back to Abbott, I've asked before and no one answered, can you give me an example of his appalling personal traits?
 
So_Cynical said:
LOL seriously you guys have the knifes out after just 6 back flips and one election spanking...what a turn around.
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You persist in mischaracterising those of us who did not vote for a return of the appalling mess that was Labor.
Most of us voted for what we saw as the least worst alternative. That is very, very different from voting for someone we believed had the drive, character and capacity to turn Australia around.

Maybe one day you'll come to understand that not all of the electorate is rusted on to discipleship of one party or the other, but rather retains the ability to look objectively at what the options are.

SirRumpole said:
Agree. The Coalition has already moved too far to the Right, and that is why they are so unpopular.
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Perhaps, but research shows that quite hard right policies are popular with a significant proportion of the electorate. I might be wrong, but I think it's much more the the unfairness of the Budget, followed by their lack of ability to sell it, the difficulty of the very obstructive Senate, and latterly the bumbling and indecision, the lack of cohesive policy that has so negatively affected the government. Plus, of course, the simple reality that Mr Abbott is just not liked.

Contrast this government with the Howard era when John Howard was calmly purposeful, able to put forward the reasons for his policies to the electorate, and create trust.
 
Julia said:
You persist in mischaracterising those of us who did not vote for a return of the appalling mess that was Labor.
Most of us voted for what we saw as the least worst alternative. That is very, very different from voting for someone we believed had the drive, character and capacity to turn Australia around.

Maybe one day you'll come to understand that not all of the electorate is rusted on to discipleship of one party or the other, but rather retains the ability to look objectively at what the options are.


Perhaps, but research shows that quite hard right policies are popular with a significant proportion of the electorate. I might be wrong, but I think it's much more the the unfairness of the Budget, followed by their lack of ability to sell it, the difficulty of the very obstructive Senate, and latterly the bumbling and indecision, the lack of cohesive policy that has so negatively affected the government. Plus, of course, the simple reality that Mr Abbott is just not liked.

Contrast this government with the Howard era when John Howard was calmly purposeful, able to put forward the reasons for his policies to the electorate, and create trust.
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+1 Abbott is certainly not in the same mould as Howard....The only mistake Howard made was that he stayed too long.
 
Om matters budget,

For the first time, the budget update is expected to show that the cumulative value of Treasury revenue writedowns since 2000 will exceed the value of the unexpected revenue gains made since the resources boom got under way more than a decade ago.

At the peak of the boom in 2007, the revenue bonanza was adding about $80bn a year to government revenues but the state of the economy will now subtract $24bn from the budget over the next four years.

While the outlook for revenue has deteriorated, Australia’s involvement in Iraq, new national security spending and the government’s compromises with the Palmer United Party to get the mining tax repeal through the Senate have added $5.4bn to spending over the next two years.

The report places renewed pressure on the government to keep its commitment to unpopular savings such as the $7 GP co-payment and cuts to family tax benefits and university subsidies, amid reports suggesting some senior cabinet ministers want to dump them.

The government, which last week suffered its worst few days since taking office, will focus on securing crossbench support for its higher-education reforms *before parliament rises on Thursday for the long summer recess.

In his report, Mr Richardson says the budget delivered in May is “the only road map to structural fiscal repair Australia has”. “The opposition and minor parties have washed their hands of setting* out detailed alternatives, preferring populist posturing,’’ he says.

Mr Richardson says a naive electorate and populist Senate have refused to acknowledge the gravity of the government’s mounting fiscal challenge.

“It looks to us like a nation that can’t handle the truth: a temporary boom has come and gone, and a sustainable path for our national social compact requires some tough decisions,” he says.

“When even the Greens oppose sensible fuel tax policy it is clear something is wrong with Australia’s political processes,” he adds, referring to the government’s inability to index fuel tax excise to inflation.

The $27bn deficit pencilled in for this financial year in May will swell to $35bn, while the balanced budget scheduled for 2017-18 will instead be a $12.4bn deficit, Deloitte estimates, after which “Australia faces deficits as far as the eye can see”, owing mainly to the surging cost of the national disability insurance scheme.

“Australia may not have a crisis around its government debt, but we do have increasing risks around our deficit trajectory,” Mr Richardson says.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...rs-hit-to-budget/story-fn59nsif-1227140245434
 
SirRumpole said:
The Coalition has already moved too far to the Right, and that is why they are so unpopular.
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Agreed. Fixing budgets etc doesn't excuse the apparent nastiness they've developed in recent times. You can manage money without being arrogant.

Is it not possible to have a government that's reasonable with finances without all the other right wing nonsense?
 
Smurf1976 said:
Agreed. Fixing budgets etc doesn't excuse the apparent nastiness they've developed in recent times. You can manage money without being arrogant.

Is it not possible to have a government that's reasonable with finances without all the other right wing nonsense?
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Is it nastiness and right wing nonsense, or is it realities, that are being reported in an emotional and hysterical way?

Tightening spending, will never be politically palatable, however maybe the media will let Labor enact it.

Time will tell.
 
Tightening spending, will never be politically palatable.

Agree with your posts, sptrawler.

I think this has been the biggest problem which has been noticeable throughout.

Throwing money at people seems to win the day.

You just have to look at the chaos with the ABC, when the cuts came through, no way that should happen, was their thinking.

Just keep bloating things up.

Maybe we do need a recession.

I feel for my own state.
 
sptrawler said:
Getting back to Abbott, I've asked before and no one answered, can you give me an example of his appalling personal traits?
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"Appalling" is a relative word, and I wouldn't go that far, but I would say that billing the taxpayer for publicising his own book, or attending a private wedding and sending taxpayers the bill indicates a lack of basic honesty that you would expect in a PM that should set an example to his colleagues and others.

The fact that travel rorts are widely abused is irrelevant . Someone should set an example and it should come from the top.

The hypocrisy of government members in prosecuting Peter Slipper (not that I have any liking for him) for abusing travel payments while themselves just paying money back when they get caught out highlights their arrogance and "born to rule" mentality, which goes down very badly in the public eye.

Julia said:
Contrast this government with the Howard era when John Howard was calmly purposeful, able to put forward the reasons for his policies to the electorate, and create trust.
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John Howard did that for most of his reign, but when it came to Workchoices that trust was eroded and it cost him his job, and his seat.
 
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