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SirRumpole said:
Very true, and while few people would make a career out of pumping gas or being a bus conductor, a lot of people used those types of jobs to support them while working their way through uni. What do they do now ? Some may have a partner who is working, or parents that support them but a lot of others just can't afford to go to uni and can't get a job because they have no qualifications.

We are losing generations of workers to technological change, but we still bring in people from overseas in droves. Crazy.
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No doubt if innovations and new technology had not taken place as far as self service at the servo, banks and the like, cost of consumer goods may have been higher than they now.

Why are you still pushing your barrow on bringing in overseas workers.......we have been through this before as to the reasons why.....we cannot get our Aussies to leave the comfort of city life to work in remote areas...we cannot get Aussie workers to go and pick fruit because it is too hard work so we allow back packers in on working visas who are not afraid of hard work.

I do hope we don't have to go through this megalomania again Rumpy.
 
noco said:
No doubt if innovations and new technology had not taken place as far as self service at the servo, banks and the like, cost of consumer goods may have been higher than they now.

Why are you still pushing your barrow on bringing in overseas workers.......we have been through this before as to the reasons why.....we cannot get our Aussies to leave the comfort of city life to work in remote areas...we cannot get Aussie workers to go and pick fruit because it is too hard work so we allow back packers in on working visas who are not afraid of hard work.

I do hope we don't have to go through this megalomania again Rumpy.
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If we bring in un skilled people to fill temporary shortages, ok. But we also bring in highly skilled people because we couldn't be bothered training them here. That is condemning generations to the dole because of the ideology that business wants an oversupply of workers to drive down wages. Not megalomania noco, bastardry.
 
SirRumpole said:
If we bring in un skilled people to fill temporary shortages, ok. But we also bring in highly skilled people because we couldn't be bothered training them here. That is condemning generations to the dole because of the ideology that business wants an oversupply of workers to drive down wages. Not megalomania noco, bastardry.
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How did you decipher all that?......Training is available to who ever wants to do it so why do you say WE couldn't be bothered training them?....That is a furphy....It is up to the individual whether he/she wants to be a plumber, electrician, a carpenter, a boiler maker welder or a fitter and turner,,,,,,the opportunities are there for the taking.....I have a Grand son 23 years of age who did his course in diesel mechanics at his own expense and is now earning well over $120,000 per year in Central Queensland mines....He was not afraid to relocate.....so I don't go along with your argument of an excuse instead of the real reason.
 
sydboy007 said:
Why is Joe Hockey not following the 40 other countries who have signed up for Common Reporting Standard which provides for the automatic exchange of financial account information between banks in different countries. It is designed to make it easier to track how money moves around the world so that governments can ensure companies pay their fair share of tax.

Hockey endorsed the standard earlier in the year at the G20 finance ministers meeting. So why the reluctance to get on board? Surely he doesn't think Australia would be worse from cracking down on the large multinational companies from shifting profits out of the country?

It's even harder to understand his relucatnce considering an extensive period of industry consultation has been completed and he's sat on the finding for the last couple of months.

Australia is the only G20 nation to have not signed up, and we currently hold the G20 chair. What kind of message does that send tot he world?

Earlier in the month Hockey and Abbott were loudly complaining about the profit shifting that has been occuring, yet they're dragging their feet to sign up for what looks to be the best way to work with other countries to stop it from occurring. So what's going on :confused: Why the reluctance to sign up to the Common Reporting Standard :confused:

Could it be that they remember what happened to Labor when they tried to make large companies pay a fairer share of tax in the country?
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sydboy, I think you may have jumped the gun about Hockey and Abbott not signing up to the COMMON REPORTING STANDARD.

According to link below, it only comes up for discussion in the G20 Finance Ministers meeting in Cairns and then taken to the G20 meeting in Brisbane later in the year.

I don't know where you received your information from but I would delighted to know.


http://articles.economictimes.india...l-convention-mutual-administrative-assistance
 
noco said:
How did you decipher that he is crying poor?.....I did not detect any suggestion.
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This bit - "I made a reasonable salary".

If you are worth 350 million bucks and charge $100,000 for a speaking engagement then you are a blatant liar to say you "made a reasonable salary".
 
Macquack said:
This bit - "I made a reasonable salary".

If you are worth 350 million bucks and charge $100,000 for a speaking engagement then you are a blatant liar to say you "made a reasonable salary".
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I'm 83. Except for brief period in the 50s when I was doing my National Service, I've worked
hard since I was 17. Except for some serious health challenges, I put in 50-hour weeks, and
didn't call in sick in nearly 40 years.

I made a reasonable salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, it looks as though retirement was a bad idea, and I'm tired. Very tired.


I do believe he was referring to his first 40 years of his working life.....I would say he did not belong to a union if he was working 50 hours per week.
 
noco said:
sydboy, I think you may have jumped the gun about Hockey and Abbott not signing up to the COMMON REPORTING STANDARD.

According to link below, it only comes up for discussion in the G20 Finance Ministers meeting in Cairns and then taken to the G20 meeting in Brisbane later in the year.

I don't know where you received your information from but I would delighted to know.


http://articles.economictimes.india...l-convention-mutual-administrative-assistance
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http://www.andrewleigh.com/hockey_must_sign_up_for_more_tax_transparency

In August, over 40 countries joined an Early Adopters Group and committed to fast-tracking implementation of the standard from January 2016. Despite Treasurer Joe Hockey endorsing the standard after the G20 Finance Ministers meeting in February, our name was conspicuously absent from that list.

So the question is why is Hockey complaining about the siphoning of tax revenue out of Australia and not signing up to the early adopters group when 40 other countries have?
 
noco said:
I'm 83. Except for brief period in the 50s when I was doing my National Service, I've worked
hard since I was 17. Except for some serious health challenges, I put in 50-hour weeks, and
didn't call in sick in nearly 40 years.

I made a reasonable salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, it looks as though retirement was a bad idea, and I'm tired. Very tired.


I do believe he was referring to his first 40 years of his working life.....I would say he did not belong to a union if he was working 50 hours per week.
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So, are you saying that is the life we should aspire to? Are we mere workers here to just server the economy and elites, or are we here to have a good life? Do you begrudge all the working conditions we have compared to workers from 100 years ago?

Countries like Sweeden, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Germany, Netherlands, all show you can be a high wage country and competitive. Japan should probably be in the list too.
 
noco said:
Do you have some proof?
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I can't find it but I did respond with some information about nuances - for example labour hire companies also owning rental properties.

How about a personal delivery of resume etc. to a berry producer to have them say in the local newspaper locals didn't apply etc. Know of a few locals that applied and never hear a word.

If you have a mole that knows the inner workings of paddock to retailer for swedes processed by Harvest Moon in NW Tasmania you may be enlightened.

Not all harvesting is the same but there is enough out there working the system and perpetuating the myth Aussies don't want to do the work it is frustrating. If anything is brought up in some public forum it is passed off as an isolated case.

If you're ever in NW Tas I'll make arrangements so you can get very deep in the subject and change your mind.
 
sydboy007 said:
So, are you saying that is the life we should aspire to? Are we mere workers here to just server the economy and elites, or are we here to have a good life? Do you begrudge all the working conditions we have compared to workers from 100 years ago?

Countries like Sweeden, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Germany, Netherlands, all show you can be a high wage country and competitive. Japan should probably be in the list too.
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Syd, all your posts are completely negative about Australia. One has to wonder why you don't simply up stakes and move to one of the sources of paradise above.
 
sydboy007 said:
So, are you saying that is the life we should aspire to? Are we mere workers here to just server the economy and elites, or are we here to have a good life? Do you begrudge all the working conditions we have compared to workers from 100 years ago?

Countries like Sweeden, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Germany, Netherlands, all show you can be a high wage country and competitive. Japan should probably be in the list too.
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What has all that jargon got to do with Bill Crosby?...I think you have strayed a little.
 
sydboy007 said:
http://www.andrewleigh.com/hockey_must_sign_up_for_more_tax_transparency

In August, over 40 countries joined an Early Adopters Group and committed to fast-tracking implementation of the standard from January 2016. Despite Treasurer Joe Hockey endorsing the standard after the G20 Finance Ministers meeting in February, our name was conspicuously absent from that list.

So the question is why is Hockey complaining about the siphoning of tax revenue out of Australia and not signing up to the early adopters group when 40 other countries have?
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I would not take too much notice of Andrew Leigh......he has tried to beat up the situation for political point scoring.

Hockey is committed to the COMMON REPORT STANDARD



9.
We are committed to a global response to Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS) based
on sound tax poli
cy principles.
Profits should be taxed where economic activities deriving the
profits are performed and where value is created. We continue our full support for the
G20/OECD BEPS Action Plan,
and look forward to progress as set out in the agreed timetable.
By the Brisbane summit, we will start to deliver effective, practical and sustainable measures to
counter BEPS across all industries, including
traditional, digital and digitalised firms
, in an
increasingly globalised economy. We endorse the Common Report
ing Standard for automatic
exchange of tax information on a reciprocal basis
and will work with all relevant parties,
including our financial institutions, to detail our implementation plan at our September meeting.
In parallel, we expect to begin to excha
nge information automatically on tax matters among G20
members by the end of 2015. We call for the early adoption of the standard by those jurisdictions
that are able to do so. We call on all financial centres to match our commitments. We urge all
jurisdic
tions that have not yet complied with the existing standard for exchange of information on
request
to do so and sign the Multilateral Convention on Mutual Administrative Assistance in
Tax Matters without further delay
. We stand ready to give
tougher incent
ives to those
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jurisdictions that have not qualified for Phase 2 of the evaluations. We will engage with, and
support low
-
income and developing countries so that they benefit from our work on tax.



https://www.g20.org/sites/default/f...nk Governors Sydney 22-23 February 2014_0.pdf
 
So far as fruit picking etc jobs are concerned, it's very much a case of "locals need not apply" to a large extent.

Well, OK, they might agree to employ a local if you also agree to purchase your accommodation and other services from the contractor harvesting the crop. Needless to say, that doesn't really work if you already have a house with a mortgage and must then pay for duplicate accommodation that you don't need otherwise they won't employ you.

It's not a shortage of workers, it's just that they won't employ people who don't need to purchases the other services the same company is offering (ie hostel accommodation). In practice, those jobs are for backpackers etc only due to this.:2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
So far as fruit picking etc jobs are concerned, it's very much a case of "locals need not apply" to a large extent.

Well, OK, they might agree to employ a local if you also agree to purchase your accommodation and other services from the contractor harvesting the crop. Needless to say, that doesn't really work if you already have a house with a mortgage and must then pay for duplicate accommodation that you don't need otherwise they won't employ you.

It's not a shortage of workers, it's just that they won't employ people who don't need to purchases the other services the same company is offering (ie hostel accommodation). In practice, those jobs are for backpackers etc only due to this.:2twocents
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No my friend you are very wrong.

Locals do work picking fruit and I know of some Townsvillians who travel to Bowen during the tomato and mango season....the locals have their own camper vans and the pack packers stop at back packers hostels....The local content is insufficient and that is why they need pack packers as well. However having said that, there are plenty more locals who are on the dole but are too lazy to work.

So I guess that counters your argument.....You are working on pure supposition without logic..
 
Regards fruit picking-from my knowledge in southern Australia most of the fruit picking is done by contractors hiring pickers.Of course there are exceptions ,but the game has changed in recent years,and it is not as easy for locals to seek this employment.In fact impossible in a lot of areas.
 
noco said:
It is very relevant as far I am concerned because the same thing is happening here and you really cannot deny it.
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noco said:
How did you decipher that he is crying poor?.....I did not detect any suggestion.

So he has talent as a Comedian...good luck to him......Are you jealous of his success?

So he demands $100,000 to speak at some special engagement......He must be highly regarded to demand that type of money...obviously someone would be making money from his appearance including his government who would most likely take 50% of his $100,000 leaving hm with $50,000.

He has stated a very valid point as to what is going on in the USA and the same thing in Australia and many in Australia think the same thing but remain silent about it for fear of being branded as a racist or a bigot.
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Cosby didn't say what's being attributed to him.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/imtired.asp

http://billcosby.com/2011/09/if-you-got-the-bogus-email-its-time-to-hit-delete/
 
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