TEN - Ten Network Holdings

[notting]

I could not believe the way TEN share price acted so positively after one of Murchochs' snivelling brats took over the controls.
I mean what the hell was good about that?
What was this leeches track record prior to being given the controls at TEN? One.Tel and gap years?
I was catching these media commentators, so called experts, making throw away lines as they talked about TEN like it was a given positive the legend of Lochlan had taken the controls.
The price has halved since Lachlan joined.
What a resume!
Where to now captain?:silly:

 

[McLovin]

Yeah Lachlan doesn't have the best record in business, although I think he's doing OK with radio.

The death of TV seems to be about 5 years behind newspapers so it's just around the corner. They obviously can create original content which newspapers can't but at the moment everything worth watching is available on their own websites without ads.

 

[Smurf1976]

The death of TV seems to be about 5 years behind newspapers so it's just around the corner.

The TV networks seem to operate on the basis of assuming that consumers will accept what they are offered, rather than giving them what they actually want.

It would have worked fine 25 years ago in places that had only one commercial station and thus minimal choice. Watch the ABC, watch the commercial station or turn it off. Simple as that. Likewise it wasn't too much harder in the larger cities with 3 commercial channels - that's still not a huge amount of competition.

But take Top Gear (the UK version) as a classic example of bungled programming. It had a huge following on SBS. Then it moved to Channel 9 who couldn't make their minds up when to run it, and who kept messing about with repeats etc to the point that it became a joke. I don't know anyone who still watches it, and I'm not sure if it's even still on air. Channel 9 paid enough money to grab something from SBS and then proceeded to destroy it. No wonder they're going broke.

The same applies to most of the others. If program x is on at 7:30pm on a Monday night then I may well watch it every week. Once they start changing the time, changing the day etc then I may as well just download it or not bother at all. I'm not going to spend half my life trying to keep track of what's on and when and nor are most people.

And then there's the content itself. If you can advertise it today then it's not news tomorrow. Simple as that. No wonder the ABC is doing so well when it comes to news etc - they have actual news! And no, most things that happen in Hollywood aren't newsworthy either, at least not at 6pm or thereabouts. Put them on at 2am where they belong and put proper, actual news on the program called "news".

 

[notting]

Live sport was one of the first and most major things Lachlan removed from TEN after his glorious rise to the control room!!
The only thing left with value for TV, it seems, is live stuff like sport.
At least you’re not competing with stuff you could down load from the US 6 months ago before being offered it on AUS free to air.
Which leaves the odd behaviour of NWS booming along with its pay TV.
US cable was built on the back of pr0n! Fair bit of that for free on the net these days!
If live is all that's left then surly NWS is going to take a hit soon!?
Can't wait!

 

[McLovin]

The TV networks seem to operate on the basis of assuming that consumers will accept what they are offered, rather than giving them what they actually want.

It would have worked fine 25 years ago in places that had only one commercial station and thus minimal choice. Watch the ABC, watch the commercial station or turn it off. Simple as that. Likewise it wasn't too much harder in the larger cities with 3 commercial channels - that's still not a huge amount of competition.

But take Top Gear (the UK version) as a classic example of bungled programming. It had a huge following on SBS. Then it moved to Channel 9 who couldn't make their minds up when to run it, and who kept messing about with repeats etc to the point that it became a joke. I don't know anyone who still watches it, and I'm not sure if it's even still on air. Channel 9 paid enough money to grab something from SBS and then proceeded to destroy it. No wonder they're going broke.

The same applies to most of the others. If program x is on at 7:30pm on a Monday night then I may well watch it every week. Once they start changing the time, changing the day etc then I may as well just download it or not bother at all. I'm not going to spend half my life trying to keep track of what's on and when and nor are most people.

And then there's the content itself. If you can advertise it today then it's not news tomorrow. Simple as that. No wonder the ABC is doing so well when it comes to news etc - they have actual news! And no, most things that happen in Hollywood aren't newsworthy either, at least not at 6pm or thereabouts. Put them on at 2am where they belong and put proper, actual news on the program called "news".

I agree on Topgear, it was bizarre how they kept changing between new episodes and repeats. In the end they lost theor audience. The margins of the TV networks historically were massive 25-30% no doubt a reflection of the protected nature of the industry. I wonder what they will be in 5-10 years time.

Live sport was one of the first and most major things Lachlan removed from TEN after his glorious rise to the control room!!
The only thing left with value for TV, it seems, is live stuff like sport.
At least you’re not competing with stuff you could down load from the US 6 months ago before being offered it on AUS free to air.
Which leaves the odd behaviour of NWS booming along with its pay TV.
US cable was built on the back of pr0n! Fair bit of that for free on the net these days!
If live is all that's left then surly NWS is going to take a hit soon!?
Can't wait!

There's still plenty of money in original content. NWS creates a lot of its content that it then puts on its own platform.

I wonder what the internet will do for syndication though. That's a pretty big slice of studio earnings that could disappear.

 

[McLovin]

Capital raising at 20c. Surely this is getting into the territory where one of the billionaires on the register will consider taking it over?

 

[skc]

Capital raising at 20c. Surely this is getting into the territory where one of the billionaires on the register will consider taking it over?

I will consider watching Ten if they had a Big Brother Billionarie edition.

Didn't they say they don't need capital not so long ago?

You really need think skin and a poor memory to be a corporate exec these days.

 

[PinguPingu]

They should have brought back BB Up Late.


Just sayin'.

 

[McLovin]

I will consider watching Ten if they had a Big Brother Billionarie edition.

Didn't they say they don't need capital not so long ago?

You really need think skin and a poor memory to be a corporate exec these days.

Yeah, I think they said it back in October.

Warburton must be kicking himself. He was first in line at Seven and left because it didn't seem like Leckie ever would. What a difference 12 months make.

I'm sure he's not to happy that Nine have taken one of Ten's best rating shows (BB) and revamped it and killed it in the ratings.

Good to see they've put the Simpsons back on at 6pm.

ETA: Yeah, October it was!

http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/warburton_in_denial_over_ten_stressed_QHm6WKpg4atoFigWKHn4nI

 

[Tyler Durden]

From memory, the last capital raising was at 51 cents, and then the SP dropped significantly after that. So perhaps, if it is at 20 cents this time, it might be worth it to wait for it to drop below 20 cents?

 

[banco]

Lachlan Murdoch seems like a good contrary indicator. If he thinks it's a good investment it probably isn't.

 

[McCoy Pauley]

Well, that didn't last long. Warbuton sacked tonight to be replaced by Hamish McLennan from 18 March 2013. Russell Howcroft is acting CEO.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/ten-dumps-ceo-warburton-20130222-2ex33.html

 

[sptrawler]

TEN

They must be thanking their lucky stars, they didn't get the cricket.
I doubt anyone, other than family or friends are watching.
I grew up with cricket and loved it, but gen Y players don't cut it.
Cricket is one of those sports where the viewer has to admire the effort of the player. It just won't work in todays world. It isn't about what I can give to the game, it's about what the game can give to me, IMO.

It is time to move on and find what the new gratuitous generation is watching.
Ten is in a great position if they can work out what it is.

 

[sptrawler]

Well it looks like Ten were lucky, to not pick up the cricket, at this point.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...e-ratings-a-reality-check-20130722-2qe61.html

Having said that, I think it is a shame they didn't pick up the' Tour de France', cycling is becomming very popular.

IMO SBS, have pulled off a blinder locking it in for the next 10 years, the commercial chanels will be kicking themselves soon.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Why does this always end in 0.007 cents?

 

[Country Lad]

Why does this always end in 0.007 cents?

This has been occurring since the ASX has allowed Mid-tick limit prices.

The entered limit price can be changed by half a tick. For buy orders, the entered limit price can be increased by half a tick and for sell orders the entered limit price can be decreased by half a tick.

Cheers
Country Lad

 

[sptrawler]

Lachlan Murdoch seems like a good contrary indicator. If he thinks it's a good investment it probably isn't.

Now it seems he is jumping onto daddy's shirt tails, after stuffing up ten.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-26/lachlan-murdoch-resigns-as-ten-chairman-to-join-fox/5347652

It is either a master stroke, to pick up a t.v station cheap, for dad.

Or an absolute display of incompetence.

 

[notting]

I could not believe the way TEN share price acted so positively after one of Murchochs' snivelling brats took over the controls.
I mean what the hell was good about that?
What was this leeches track record prior to being given the controls at TEN? One.Tel and gap years?
I was catching these media commentators, so called experts, making throw away lines as they talked about TEN like it was a given positive the legend of Lochlan had taken the controls.
The price has halved since Lachlan joined.
What a resume!
Where to now captain?:silly:

I told you he was good -

 

[Faramir]

Love those programs!!!

Let me think? More competition for advertising dollars, internet providing easy access to programs without ads, more paid tv stations like Foxtel, more people living busier lives, more diverse taste in our general population, there is probably lots more reasons to list. Ten: what a great investment ….

No wonder people are watching less tv. Free TV has passed its heyday. Ten Masterchefs won't save Ten.

 

[McLovin]

The death of TV seems to be about 5 years behind newspapers so it's just around the corner. They obviously can create original content which newspapers can't but at the moment everything worth watching is available on their own websites without ads.

And so it marches on...

This has to be getting pretty close to game, set, match for TEN. Revenue falling again and they just can't get a handle on their costs. I'm surprised that their costs are continuing to rise so fast. I guess it's being driven by inventory costs, because it sure as hell can't be staff costs.

I get the feeling something will give soon.