Social Engineering

[Tink]

Same as I said about Melbourne, and the Margaret Court Arena.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/same-sex-marriage-yes-or-no.33354/page-109#post-974954

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https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/freedom-of-speech-and-protest.31657/page-7

 

[basilio]

The shift in public understanding of many issues, particularly around women and gay people, is clearly obvious. But it hasn't just happened overnight.

It just makes it so much harder to ridicule women. To disbelieve scores of shared experiences of abuse and harrassment "because women can't be trusted" . To treat gay people as at best deviants or worse a danger to the whole moral fabric of our society.

Excellent article in The Guardian explores this in detail.

Big point.
It was a conservative judge in California who pushed though the test case for gay marriage.

Feminists have slowly shifted power. There’s no going back
Rebecca Solnit
The #TimesUp and #MeToo movements are a revolution that could not have taken place without decades of quiet, painstaking groundwork

Thu 8 Mar 2018 17.00 AEDT Last modified on Fri 9 Mar 2018 02.48 AEDT

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A young protester at a Time’s Up rally in London in January 2018. Photograph: Chris J Ratcliffe/Getty Images
This International Women’s Day comes five months after the revelations about Harvey Weinstein’s long campaign of misogynist punishments of women first broke, and with them more things broke. Excuses broke. Silence was broken. The respectable appearance of a lot of institutions broke. You could say a dam broke, and a wall of women’s stories came spilling forth – which has happened before, but never the way that this round has. This time around, women didn’t just tell the stories of being attacked and abused; they named names, and abusers and attackers lost jobs and reputations and businesses and careers. They named names, and it mattered; people listened; their testimony had consequences. Because there’s a big difference between being able to say something and having it heard and respected. Consequences are often the difference.

Something had shifted. What’s often overlooked is that it had shifted beforehand so that this could happen. Something invisible had made it possible for these highly visible upheavals and transformations. People often position revolution and incrementalism as opposites, but if a revolution is something that changes things suddenly, incrementalism often lays the groundwork that makes it possible. Something happens suddenly, and that’s mistaken for something happening out of the blue. But out of the blue usually means out of the things that most people were not paying attention to, out of the slow work done by somebody or many somebodies out of the limelight for months or years or decades.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/08/feminists-power-metoo-timesup-rebecca-solnit

 

[Tisme]

The shift in public understanding of many issues, particularly around women and gay people, is clearly obvious. But it hasn't just happened overnight.

It just makes it so much harder to ridicule women. To disbelieve scores of shared experiences of abuse and harrassment "because women can't be trusted" . To treat gay people as at best deviants or worse a danger to the whole moral fabric of our society.

Excellent article in The Guardian explores this in detail.

Big point.
It was a conservative judge in California who pushed though the test case for gay marriage.

Feminists have slowly shifted power. There’s no going back
Rebecca Solnit
The #TimesUp and #MeToo movements are a revolution that could not have taken place without decades of quiet, painstaking groundwork

Thu 8 Mar 2018 17.00 AEDT Last modified on Fri 9 Mar 2018 02.48 AEDT

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1991



A young protester at a Time’s Up rally in London in January 2018. Photograph: Chris J Ratcliffe/Getty Images
This International Women’s Day comes five months after the revelations about Harvey Weinstein’s long campaign of misogynist punishments of women first broke, and with them more things broke. Excuses broke. Silence was broken. The respectable appearance of a lot of institutions broke. You could say a dam broke, and a wall of women’s stories came spilling forth – which has happened before, but never the way that this round has. This time around, women didn’t just tell the stories of being attacked and abused; they named names, and abusers and attackers lost jobs and reputations and businesses and careers. They named names, and it mattered; people listened; their testimony had consequences. Because there’s a big difference between being able to say something and having it heard and respected. Consequences are often the difference.

Something had shifted. What’s often overlooked is that it had shifted beforehand so that this could happen. Something invisible had made it possible for these highly visible upheavals and transformations. People often position revolution and incrementalism as opposites, but if a revolution is something that changes things suddenly, incrementalism often lays the groundwork that makes it possible. Something happens suddenly, and that’s mistaken for something happening out of the blue. But out of the blue usually means out of the things that most people were not paying attention to, out of the slow work done by somebody or many somebodies out of the limelight for months or years or decades.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/08/feminists-power-metoo-timesup-rebecca-solnit

Shouldn't that be in the fake news thread?

 

[moXJO]

Feminists have slowly shifted power. There’s no going back

Of course there is going back.
War or poverty will explode any gains. Anything that brings back humans base needs of survival will destroy the illusion.
Go to any poor community and drug affected area for a preview. Try any war zone of a previous prosperous nation.

It's the new reality for now. Nothing is constant.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Of course there is going back.
War or poverty will explode any gains. Anything that brings back humans base needs of survival will destroy the illusion.
Go to any poor community and drug affected area for a preview. Try any war zone of a previous prosperous nation.

It's the new reality for now. Nothing is constant.

Good observation but that denigration and sexual control shite must never happen. It's all back slapping, smart ass and holier-than-thou on both sides until people need (or don't need in some cases) to band together when times are tough.

 

[SirRumpole]

So where do we stand with Barnaby Joyce's continual pillorying in the media with "rumours" of at least 10 allegations of sexual assault against him ?

He's either a dead set dirty old man or maybe a few trivial things are being blown out of proportion, or maybe it's all just innuendo ?

I don't like the man, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with media beat ups like this with un-named accusers hiding behind "protection of sources".

 

[moXJO]

Good observation but that denigration and sexual control shite must never happen. It's all back slapping, smart ass and holier than thou on both sides until people need (or don't need as the case may be) to band together when times are tough.

People shouldn't be racist, bigoted, sexist, etc. But in reality all this acceptance is a thin veneer over human nature. People stick with their own.

When shtf, its usually religion that fills the gap. But violence is the first go to stick.
The places or people that I have been/ talked to, generally tell the same story. The things you think that are important aren't.

Even a quick trip to Asia will teach you what your life is really worth and how far 'rights' are respected.

And currently Australia is right in the firing zone of some major regional changes.

I think for a lot of minorities the #metoo is a white focused thing and ignorant in its own right. "White feminazis" should be the catchphrase.

 

[moXJO]

So where do we stand with Barnaby Joyce's continual pillorying in the media with "rumours" of at least 10 allegations of sexual assault against him ?

He's either a dead set dirty old man or maybe a few trivial things are being blown out of proportion, or maybe it's all just innuendo ?

I don't like the man, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with media beat ups like this with un-named accusers hiding behind "protection of sources".

Court of law or he is "innocent till proven guilty" I guess.
I'm sure Barnaby went to the police himself to make the accusers come forward.
The flip side is that wouldn't you sue for slander if you were innocent? Not sure how that works though.

 

[Wysiwyg]

People shouldn't be racist, bigoted, sexist, etc. But in reality all this acceptance is a thin veneer over human nature. People stick with their own.

I don't think so. All those things are beliefs as opposed to unintelligent human reactions. Aside from that, 'because they do it' should not be the go to excuse. The excuse most people use to explain their unintelligent human reactions. We can accept or reject individuals and groups on their behaviour and if that behaviour aligns with one's own, not on their skin colour, religion or sex. We are programmed by parents and society to a large degree so it does take some self reflection and unlearning. Some of those programmed beliefs aren't easy to overwrite but can be done.

 

[Tisme]

Demise of the Slutwalk:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/b...n/news-story/348c498d23df8e8eeed807ecb16ff8eb

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Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph
February 9, 2018 11:59am

It’s time to check the scoreboard at the Grievance Games.

These games are kind of like the Olympics, except there is no closing ceremony. They just keep rolling along forever. And no matter the contest, western civilisation is always the loser.

Also, the opening ceremony was so long ago that many new competitors and competitions have since been included, almost all of the rules have changed, previous winners have been stripped of their medals and hopeless non-qualifiers now strut around with more gold medals than Michael Phelps and Larisa Latynina combined.

Remember when feminism, for example, was all about empowerment, personal choice and freedom of expression? “I should feel comfortable to carry myself as I please, where I please, and when I please,” declared feminist Ne Tantillo in 1991. “I am not ‘asking for it’ by existing in a space that is rightfully mine, the world.”

Tantillo’s declaration was adopted decades later by organisers of SlutWalk, an international series of demonstrations against “rape culture” that defended, among other things, women’s right to dress as they wished. SlutWalk marches, including those held in Sydney, typically featured participants wearing cheerfully minimal attire.

"There is a big misconception that people that dress a certain way ask for sexual assault, and that needs to stop now," Canadian SlutWalk organiser Lauren Hutchison said in 2011. “All over the world, women are constantly made to feel like victims, told they should not look a certain way,” SlutWalk London’s website noted.

Well, here we are just a few years later, and the rules have switched. Last week Formula One’s (overwhelmingly male) bosses announced a grid girl ban at Grand Prix races, beginning with 2018’s opening event in Melbourne next month.

“While the practice of employing grid girls has been a staple of Formula 1 grands prix for decades, we feel this custom does not resonate with our brand values and clearly is at odds with modern day societal norms,” F1's managing director of commercial operations Sean Bratches said – on World Hijab Day, as it happens.

That’s a man effectively telling women not to look a certain way and not to carry themselves as they please, where they please and when they please. Oddly, feminists were delighted by this. “The global dumping of ‘grid girls’ at Formula One events finally brings the sport more into line with how women expect to be regarded,” the Melbourne Herald Sun’s Wendy Tuohy rejoiced. “As equals, not ornamental eye-candy.”

Note to feminists: that facial expression is called a “smile”
Grid girls who have lost money and career opportunities (Newcastle’s Jennifer Hawkins, Miss Universe 2004, worked as a grid girl and an NRL cheerleader) are not so happy. “It’s an extra bit of income and a good way for women to market themselves,” Australian grid girl Tahan Lew-Fatt pointed out. “These girls can get more money in one day than some people get in a week.”

Not anymore. “Feminism now costing women their jobs,” wrote British grid girl Sophie Wright on social media. “Wake me up when all this crazy political correctness blows over and pass me the Lycra!” She wants to dress a certain way. Good for her.

“I love my job,” wrote another promotional model, Lucy Stokes. “It’s not right for anyone, let alone ‘feminists’ to judge our job when quite frankly they are putting so many women out of work. Where is the equality & empowerment here?”

Excellent question. Former three-time world F1 champion Niki Lauda, one of the sport’s more logical thinkers, declared himself on the grid girls’ team. "This is a decision against women," he told an Austrian newspaper. "Men have made the decision over the heads of women. This is not doing any favours to F1 and especially not for women. How stupid can they be? Are they nuts?"

Yes, Niki. Yes they are.

A grid girl at Monaco
Speaking of doing no favours to women, imagine this scenario. An elderly pensioner who barely manages to pay her ridiculous power bill every quarter returns home one evening with her grocery shopping. She places all perishable items in the fridge – and then a power outage hits. The food is ruined.

Not so long ago this situation would be rightly condemned as deeply unjust. Having paid absurd power charges, that pensioner should be entitled to expect a reliable power supply. But we now live in time when genuine grievances are shoved aside.

“Most of us could stand a few hours with no electricity,” Fairfax’s Clare Boyd-Macrae wrote last week. “Yes, it's inconvenient and hot without aircon and fans and some of your food may need throwing out if your fridge is off for long enough. It's hardly life threatening.”

Ms Boyd-Macrae seems to miss a number of points here. “In the privileged west,” she continued, “we consider unfettered access to power a basic human right.”

More precisely, it’s a basic consumer right. We’re paying for a service too many of us do not receive. Let’s add that particular injustice to the Grievance Games.

 

[sptrawler]

People shouldn't be racist, bigoted, sexist, etc. But in reality all this acceptance is a thin veneer over human nature. People stick with their own.

When shtf, its usually religion that fills the gap. But violence is the first go to stick.
The places or people that I have been/ talked to, generally tell the same story. The things you think that are important aren't.

Even a quick trip to Asia will teach you what your life is really worth and how far 'rights' are respected.

And currently Australia is right in the firing zone of some major regional changes.

I think for a lot of minorities the #metoo is a white focused thing and ignorant in its own right. "White feminazis" should be the catchphrase.

Check out what happened in Rhodeasia, when the black indigenous population, took over.
Then check out what is currently happening in South Africa, with regard farmers.
It is interesting reading, and really does show, it doesn't matter who is in control, racism happens.

No doubt when people of Asian heritage, far outnumber those of European heritage, in Australia.
The Europeans will feel disenfranchised, as the Aboriginals do, it is just a fact of a growing population in a constant sized World.

 

[sptrawler]

https://www.theage.com.au/entertain...riginal-adoption-segment-20180313-p4z46h.html

It begs the question, why bother?
You are damned if you do, you are damned if you don't, both will incur compensation one way or another.

The sooner Asian domination in Australia happens, the better, then we can move on from this 'British guilt trip'. IMO

 

[Tisme]

https://www.theage.com.au/entertain...riginal-adoption-segment-20180313-p4z46h.html

It begs the question, why bother?
You are damned if you do, you are damned if you don't, both will incur compensation one way or another.

The sooner Asian domination in Australia happens, the better, then we can move on from this 'British guilt trip'. IMO

From my observation, the white guilt complex is usually megaphoned by people with non anglo surnames.... you know ... those people!

 

[moXJO]

From my observation, the white guilt complex is usually megaphoned by people with non anglo surnames.... you know ... those people!

Actually its sprouted by whites. Check out any sjw page. Its the same whites that adopt other cultures (eg: Aboriginal) and try and fight the fight for them. Guess what they don't want you too. Guilt then infects their minds into "I'm a victim" mode.
Enough of the "poor me" syndrome. We basically won the "born lucky lotto".

 

[Tisme]

Actually its sprouted by whites. Check out any sjw page. Its the same whites that adopt other cultures (eg: Aboriginal) and try and fight the fight for them. Guess what they don't want you too. Guilt then infects their minds into "I'm a victim" mode.
Enough of the "poor me" syndrome. We basically won the "born lucky lotto".

Being picky I know, but are white anglo (british) or european white ... like e.g. the leader of the Greens?

 

[moXJO]

Being picky I know, but are white anglo (british) or european white ... like e.g. the leader of the Greens?

Indoctrinate don't discriminate.


I wonder if the Chinese destroy themselves as much as the whites do?

There does seem to be an agenda to push hate for white males. Or apologizing a damn lot.

 

[Tisme]

 

[Tisme]

 

[Tisme]

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/queer-engineering-purdue-social-justice-warriors/

it's like a virus:

Having all but ruined humanities education, the Social Justice Warriors now turn to the STEM fields. Purdue University has hired Donna Riley as its new head of its School of Engineering Education. Here’s an excerpt from Prof. Riley’s biography page at Smith College, where she taught for 13 years:

 

[Tisme]

F#@kme!

The expected attack on white fellas, but also Trekians.

I'm starting to understand why gullible and impressionable minds promote this kind of hysteria ... they are empty vessels with no purpose and no industry in life, preferring to take out that frustration by making life miserable for everyone, especially whitey.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/42382/

MIT librarian: Tech workplaces plastered with Star Trek posters, other geeky stuff is non-inclusive to women
DAVE HUBER - ASSISTANT EDITOR •MARCH 5, 2018

The top librarian at MIT recently argued that to make tech workplaces more inclusive and welcoming to women, ditch “Star Trek” posters and other geeky stuff cluttering office walls.

“There is research that shows that workplaces that are plastered with stereotypically ‘tech or nerd guy’ cultural images – think Star Trek – have negative impact on women’s likelihood of pursuing tech work and of staying in tech work in general or in that particular work environment,” said Chris Bourg, director of libraries at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

“Replace the Star Trek posters with travel posters, don’t name your projects or your printers or your domains after only male figures from Greek mythology, and just generally avoid geek references and inside nerd jokes,” Bourg added. “Those kinds of things reinforce the stereotypes about who does tech; and that stereotype is the male nerd stereotype.”

Bourg made the comments during her recent keynote address to the code{4}lib conventionin Washington D.C, according to a post on her blog.

Since the many incarnations of “Star Trek” are considered some of the most diverse shows in the history of television, not to mention that about half those attending Star Trek conventions are female, The College Fix contacted Bourg about this particular reference.

She responded by pointing out her advice “comes directly from the research,” and provided a link to the study: “Ambient Belonging: How Stereotypical Cues Impact Gender Participation in Computer Science.”

The 2009 study examined whether “stereotypical objects” like Star Trek posters “signal a masculinity that precludes women from ever developing an interest in computer science.” Or, as the authors dub it, how the “ambient belonging” of women is affected by tech-geek ware.

While conceding that the tech-geek “masculinity” in question may not refer to a “traditional definition” (think “strength, assertiveness, and sexual prowess”) the authors argue the “stereotypicality” of the group still has a “profound” effect on the ability to recruit people who do not see themselves as fitting that stereotype.

Although those working in the computer science field contend contemporary stereotypes of the field “are highly exaggerated and inaccurate,” computer scientists, “whether they are men or women who embody the stereotypes of their field (e.g., liking science fiction, obsessed with computers) may be less effective at recruiting women to computer science than other men and women who defy these stereotypes,” the study says.

To maintain this adequate “ambient belonging,” the study suggests, instead of hanging objects like Star Trek posters, fill an environment with things like “nature posters, art [and] general purpose books and magazines” (and, as Bourg suggests, travel posters).

Bourg, a self-described “butch and queer” cis woman and “feral librarian” who’s been “misidentified too many times to ignore,” noted she wants to bring to librarianship “a sociological lens and a feminist perspective.”

“The work of libraries and librarians can do more than just support feminist research and agendas. We can play a critical role in supporting the causes of inclusion, plurality, participation and transparency,” according to a 2015 paper Bourg co-authored.

In her recent keynote address, she put in perspective how important the issue is by citing the work of a peer:

[…] he implored us to recognize that “A profession that is 88% white means 5000% agony for people of color, no matter how liberal and enlightened you think you are.” He also said we need to have “a ******* reckoning” about the pain we cause, and that we need to do some hard work on decolonizing our organizations and our professions.

To help combat “subtle forms” of stereotyping and discrimination in tech fields, one of the things Bourg advises is for men and white people to cease “mansplaining” and “whitesplaining,” respectively.

“Just stop,” she argued. “Stop doing it in person, and stop doing it online.”

What I mean is simply this — if you have some power and privilege in a situation (and if you are white and/or a dude, chances are you do have some privilege; if you are a white dude, you definitely have power and privilege), then for the love of baby unicorns please refrain from giving your unsolicited advice and opinions to others.

In addition, Bourg proposed tech workplace improvements such as (white men) “vouching” for members of marginalized communities (“Hey Tom, have you met my colleague Safiya? She is an expert on algorithmic bias in search engines, and has just published a book based on years of research”) and avoiding clique-ish behavior.

According to its website, code{4}lib is a “volunteer-driven collective of hackers, designers, architects, curators, catalogers, artists and instigators from around the world, who largely work for and with libraries, archives and museums on technology ‘stuff.'”