Social Engineering

[satanoperca]

ICongenital physical defects aren't the same as self mutilation and lifestyle choices.

Wow and I wonder why there is so much hatred in our society.

Defects, I hate to be an intersex person at your dinner partner. So Joe, you are defective as you were not born the norm, male or female. You must feel great about yourself you are not one of us.

Self Mutilation, WTF.

Lifestyle choices - whether being LGBT is a choice or not, really is not of your business. They are asking you to be gay, so don't ask someone to be straight.

As for whether a boy can wear a dress or that be it a girl can wear pants, who cares, it is only clothing, hardly the end of the word stuff.

Our society can never more forward if we have so many closed minds.

 

[SirRumpole]

As for whether a boy can wear a dress or that be it a girl can wear pants, who cares, it is only clothing, hardly the end of the word stuff.

The number of LGBTI children at school must be so small that it doesn't warrant filling normal kids minds with tripe while they are trying to learn skills that they will need to get a job, go to uni etc.

Just tell them to respect differences, we don't need them fantasizing about being gay or playing with dildos or vaginas in class.

 

[Value Collector]

The number of LGBTI children at school must be so small that it doesn't warrant filling normal kids minds with tripe while they are trying to learn skills that they will need to get a job, go to uni etc.
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if the average class size is 30 kids, that could be just under 1 lgbti child per class, not to mention that even those that aren't LGBT themselves have about a 1 in 20 chance of having a lgbt child later in life and a 1 in 10 chance of having an lgbt grandchild.

when you factor in the chances of a persons friend, work colleague, neighbour etc etc might be lgbt, then the chances are even higher that they will be around lgbt people, I think it is worthwhile to teach about it and try and reduce the stigma that surround this group, if we do a good job of it, in 20 years it won't be needed.

 

[Tisme]

Wow and I wonder why there is so much hatred in our society.

Defects, I hate to be an intersex person at your dinner partner. So Joe, you are defective as you were not born the norm, male or female. You must feel great about yourself you are not one of us.

Self Mutilation, WTF.

Lifestyle choices - whether being LGBT is a choice or not, really is not of your business. They are asking you to be gay, so don't ask someone to be straight.

As for whether a boy can wear a dress or that be it a girl can wear pants, who cares, it is only clothing, hardly the end of the word stuff.

Our society can never more forward if we have so many closed minds.

What hatred? Who do you know is driven to hatred by my posts?

 

[SirRumpole]

if the average class size is 30 kids, that could be just under 1 lgbti child per class, not to mention that even those that aren't LGBT themselves have about a 1 in 20 chance of having a lgbt child later in life and a 1 in 10 chance of having an lgbt grandchild.

when you factor in the chances of a persons friend, work colleague, neighbour etc etc might be lgbt, then the chances are even higher that they will be around lgbt people, I think it is worthwhile to teach about it and try and reduce the stigma that surround this group, if we do a good job of it, in 20 years it won't be needed.

Well, it's a matter of how you teach it. As I said a factual explanation of differences would suffice, it would probably only take one lesson. Kids don't need their heads filled with rubbish about fantasizing about being gay if they are not, if you are going to go down that path why not get gay kids to fantasize about being straight instead ?

 

[Value Collector]

Well, it's a matter of how you teach it. As I said a factual explanation of differences would suffice, it would probably only take one lesson. Kids don't need their heads filled with rubbish about fantasizing about being gay if they are not, if you are going to go down that path why not get gay kids to fantasize about being straight instead ?

What us you really source for this lesson that taught kids to fantasize?

 

[SirRumpole]

What us you really source for this lesson that taught kids to fantasize?

http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/safe-schools-coalition/
http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/all-of-us/
http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/lesson_2edited.pdf

 

[Logique]

such as?

Are you that naive VC?

If you want a career as an academic, there are required views on politics, climate change, feminism 2.0 and environmental policy. Identify as a conservative: watch you career stall.

 

[satanoperca]

http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/safe-schools-coalition/
http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/all-of-us/
http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/lesson_2edited.pdf

So what, role playing, cannot see the harm, it is trying to teach tolerance, empathy and understanding.

Something that seems to lack on this forum.

 

[wayneL]

So what, role playing, cannot see the harm, it is trying to teach tolerance, empathy and understanding.

Something that seems to lack on this forum.

Rubbish.

Almost all of us are happy to be inclusive, but no matter how tolerant and empathetic I feel, there is no way I ever want to be put in a position of imagining a gay relationship for myself, no way ever.

 

[SirRumpole]

Another example of social engineering ?

Personally I think this guy is a nutter, but should he not be allowed to argue a case ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-31/anti-vaxxer-kent-heckenlively-denied-australian-visa/8859586

There doesn't appear to be any racism, homophobia, naziism involved, just a view contrary to current thinking.

 

[satanoperca]

Rubbish.

Almost all of us are happy to be inclusive, but no matter how tolerant and empathetic I feel, there is no way I ever want to be put in a position of imagining a gay relationship for myself, no way ever.

empathy
ˈɛmpəθi/
noun

1. the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

Imagine
ɪˈmadʒɪn/
verb

1. 1.
   form a mental image or concept of.

I can only imagine a world were can actually show empathy.

Interesting words, imagine, it is without hurt to anyone else.

Where would the world be without imagination?

 

[SirRumpole]

I can only imagine a world were can actually show empathy.

So we can't show empathy to a sick animal without imagining we actually are that animal ?

 

[wayneL]

Exactly, I don't need to have the snot bashed out of me to feel empathy for victims of violence.

Neither have I ever been to war, yet feel for what people have gone through.

I don't need to imagine a relationship with a another man to understand than there can be love like there can be between man and woman.

But, I prefer not to imagine it thanks very much. Just as I imagine a hetro relationship may be not something a gay or Les person may want to imagine.

 

[satanoperca]

Neither have I ever been to war, yet feel for what people have gone through.

How do you feel for something without having experienced it, unless you imagine what it feels like.

 

[Value Collector]

Are you that naive VC?

If you want a career as an academic, there are required views on politics, climate change, feminism 2.0 and environmental policy. Identify as a conservative: watch you career stall.

when I said "such as" I was asking for specific examples that were worse than a nazi preaching hate and telling jewish people they were lessor humans.

If you want to quote me, why not answer the question? because it was a genuine question.

 

[Value Collector]

http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/safe-schools-coalition/
http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/all-of-us/
http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/lesson_2edited.pdf

Are you talking about this bit

Lesson 2 is of particular concern as the teaching materials encourage students to become, or at least think about becoming sexually active, as indicated in the following comment, “Invite students to imagine themselves in the role of a young person who is aged 16 years or older and is going out with someone they are really into.”

It's not "teaching kids to fantasise about being gay"

I think the claims being made but the anti LGBT crowd are pretty over blown.

 

[SirRumpole]

Are you talking about this bit




It's not "teaching kids to fantasise about being gay"

I think the claims being made but the anti LGBT crowd are pretty over blown.

It appears you didn't read the whole bit.

Second column at the top

"while the character of those on the right hand side of the column is going out with someone of the opposite sex".

We are talking 11 year olds here. This sort of stuff is quite inappropriate.

 

[wayneL]

How do you feel for something without having experienced it, unless you imagine what it feels like.

so you're suggesting that I should be sodomized in order to understand that men may have feelings for each other

 

[satanoperca]

Oh please, give me something intelligent to discuss.

Imagination has got nothing to do with physicality.

Anyone, often find the ones that are narrow minded are the same one buying strapons for their wives to use on them.

Maybe you just might like it.