Social Engineering

[wayneL]

Intelligent? Say what?

It was you that suggested people cannot empathize unless they role-play a gay relationship. Absurd.

As to my and my wife's sexual proclivities, well, I ain't gonna ask anyone to role-play what we enjoy.

Get it?

 

[satanoperca]

so you're suggesting that I should be sodomized in order to understand that men may have feelings for each other

I will help you out a little, as I have empathy for those that are a little slow.

I did not say you need to be sodomized in order to understand, they are your words.

I simply stated, that in order to understand an experience or feeling that one hasn't experienced themselves personally they are required to use their imagination.

Empathy is about how others feel, in order to be empathetic, if one has not experienced the situation, they have to image what it would feel like.

As imagination doesn't require an act that is physical, I cannot see the harm done if children are asked to role play a situation.

We or I should say, some of us live in the 21st century and so do my children, they have access to information that past generations did not. times do change, and one must change with them.

11 year olds are what was 16 years olds of the last generation and 20 years olds of the previous.

Do you not think they have access to pr0n at age eleven.

Do you believe that all access to the internet are denied to children or should I say stopped by their parents. If you do you are naive.

Our whole society has been based on imagination, religion. Prove that God exists and prove me wrong, but it is only our imagination that has created a god(s) and our belief that one exists.

Just like it is some peoples belief that it is wrong for a boy to wear a dress, or two same sex individuals to get married. It doesn't effect anyone physically.

 

[SirRumpole]

I simply stated, that in order to understand an experience or feeling that one hasn't experienced themselves personally they are required to use their imagination.

The bottom line is that people can imagine that they are someone else, but their imagination could be completely wrong because it is only imagination ie they are making things up.

To have complete empathy, people must experience what they are having empathy with, and no straight person is actually going to go through a gay experience, so trying to teach children to have empathy through imagination is a false concept.

 

[satanoperca]

so trying to teach children to have empathy through imagination is a false concept.

So based on your comment, no one can show empathy unless they have experienced the same situation.

So unless you have been raped by a priest, you cannot show empathy to a victim of the church.

Or a child cannot show empathy to another child if they are say a paraplegic, dying of cancer or have lost a mother or a father unless they themselves have been in that situation.

So you are not empathetic to those who are dying as you have not died yourself, as by your statement imagination is a false concept.

This discussing is about role playing not physically doing.

 

[wayneL]

I am actually starting to lose empathy because of all this ****.

#### 'em.... anyone that wants to above their lifestyle choices down my throat, whatever they are.

And I am using my vote to say so.

 

[SirRumpole]

So based on your comment, no one can show empathy unless they have experienced the same situation.

I'm saying empathy has little to do with imagination. It comes from within, it can't be taught.

 

[Value Collector]

It appears you didn't read the whole bit.

Second column at the top

"while the character of those on the right hand side of the column is going out with someone of the opposite sex".

We are talking 11 year olds here. This sort of stuff is quite inappropriate.




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You think that is "teaching kids to fantasise about being gay", I think thats a very alarmist choice of words.

 

[SirRumpole]

You think that is "teaching kids to fantasise about being gay", I think thats a very alarmist choice of words.

The fact is that people can be bullied for numerous reasons; being tall, short, fat, thin, wearing glasses, having a learning disability, having poor parents you name it.

I don't need to "imagine" being any of these to know that bullying anyone is wrong. That is why "Safe Schools" is too narrow in just focussing on LGBTI. If students are just faced with this particular case they may take it out on other kids who have other "differences".

Safe Schools should be broadly based not narrow focussed as it is now, which is the result of it being run by a few people with their own barrows to push.

 

[cynic]

The fact is that people can be bullied for numerous reasons; being tall, short, fat, thin, wearing glasses, having a learning disability, having poor parents you name it.

I don't need to "imagine" being any of these to know that bullying anyone is wrong. That is why "Safe Schools" is too narrow in just focussing on LGBTI. If students are just faced with this particular case they may take it out on other kids who have other "differences".

Safe Schools should be broadly based not narrow focussed as it is now, which is the result of it being run by a few people with their own barrows to push.

It seems we may also need a "safe" societies programme with a heavy focus on alerting the populace to the importance of not bullying each other over perceived transgressions of political correctness.

 

[Value Collector]

The fact is that people can be bullied for numerous reasons; being tall, short, fat, thin, wearing glasses, having a learning disability, having poor parents you name it.

I don't need to "imagine" being any of these to know that bullying anyone is wrong. That is why "Safe Schools" is too narrow in just focussing on LGBTI. If students are just faced with this particular case they may take it out on other kids who have other "differences".

Safe Schools should be broadly based not narrow focussed as it is now, which is the result of it being run by a few people with their own barrows to push.

As I have already showed you, out of all the groups, LGBT people have the highest rates of suicide, and the rates are especially high where they have been rejected by family etc.

Reducing the stigma would mean reducing the number of families that reject them and lower bullying etc.

If you could lower the rates of suicide down to the rates of suicide caused by bullying associated with wearing glasses or being short, it would be a good thing.

people can be bullied for numerous reasons; being tall, short, fat, thin, wearing glasses, having a learning disability, having poor parents you name it.

you saying that, reminds me a bit of this

 

[SirRumpole]

As I have already showed you, out of all the groups, LGBT people have the highest rates of suicide, and the rates are especially high where they have been rejected by family etc.

10% of 2% LGBTI may be a lot less than 1% of 20% of other causes. We need to know the overall numbers in order to make sense of your argument.

 

[Value Collector]

I am actually starting to lose empathy because of all this ****.

#### 'em.... anyone that wants to above their lifestyle choices down my throat, whatever they are.

And I am using my vote to say so.

I don't think asking for equal rights is "shoving their lifestyle down your throat"

 

[Value Collector]

10% of 2% LGBTI may be a lot less than 1% of 20% of other causes. We need to know the overall numbers in order to make sense of your argument.

If you see a certain group that's in trouble, why can't you just help them? even if they are a minority.

 

[SirRumpole]

If you see a certain group that's in trouble, why can't you just help them? even if they are a minority.

And ignore the majority who needs help as well ?

 

[Value Collector]

And ignore the majority who needs help as well ?

no one said ignore the majority. we have over time focussed on many different social issues, So far over the last 100 years or so the lgbt issue have been ignored, I see no problem with shining a light on them for a while.

 

[Tisme]

And ignore the majority who needs help as well ?

These are actual, not attention seeking, not for publicity, not attempted:

38.3/100k of 85 year and over men of commit suicide (women 6.4)
25.5/100k of men between 40 and 44 commit suicide (women 9.4)
14.3/100k of males between 15 and 19 commit suicide (females 5.6)

overall 74.7% of them are males. The age standard rate is 10.7/100k and of that 16.3/100k are males and 5.4/100k for females.

The question is how many homosexuals are there.. say 400,000? How many who actually suicided were homosexuals in a typical year?

 

[basilio]

The issue of the consequences of passing a Marriage Equality Bill has created much concern.
Have you ever worried about the possibility your children might turn into birds as a result of this dangerous idea ?

'My child is a bird': another version of Coalition for Marriage's no campaign ad – video

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-coalition-for-marriages-no-campaign-ad-video

 

[Tisme]

A bit of a pattern:

4.6% of teenagers between 14 and 19 reckon they are homosexuals
6.5% of twenty somethings reckon the same thing
4.3% of thirty somethings have figured out they are still gay
2.8% are clinging to the cause when they are in their 40s
1.7% are left by the time they are in their 50s, residual recruiters?

Born with it eh? Must be contagious in the 20's and gradual immunity kicks in after that?

Social conditioning means these actual figures are false by any definition, but heh

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Social conditioning means these actual figures are false by any definition, but heh

Not necessarily. If homosexuality is learned, one would expect such a drop away in prevalence with age. This would happen as a result of a natural insight into the sort of partners one attracts and how they have qualities of the same sex parent. It may become clear that attraction is based upon unmet subconscious needs from childhood.

 

[wayneL]

I don't think asking for equal rights is "shoving their lifestyle down your throat"

It is not a question of equal rights, it is about changing legal definitions, alongside other cretinous leftist dystopian agendas.

And sorry, yes it is being shoved down our throat.