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Tink said:
Oh, come on -- and where would we be without the police.

Corruption in everything, doesnt mean you have to shoot down the lot.
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I'm not shooting down the lot, I just have a healthy distrust for police. Ask any criminal defence lawyer about the shenaningans the police get up to.

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of police do want to make a difference, but I don't see why these two should be defended for breaking the law. Not much point having laws if they're just going to be ignored.
 
McLovin said:
He wouldn't be if the police knew how to do their job or, even, basic laws covering reasonable suspicion.

Police have a long sordid history of corruption in this country, they have no right to be given a free pass for breaking the law.
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Judges discretion, FAIL.
 
McLovin said:
I'm not shooting down the lot, I just have a healthy distrust for police. Ask any criminal defence lawyer about the shenaningans the police get up to.

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of police do want to make a difference, but I don't see why these two should be defended for breaking the law. Not much point having laws if they're just going to be ignored.
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Glad to read you think a majority are trying to make a difference, as the first people we ring when in trouble are the police, without them, where would we be?
I agree, if they break the law, they should be held accountable.

I just dont like that negativity, sorry.
 
Tink said:
Glad to read you think a majority are trying to make a difference, as the first people we ring when in trouble are the police, without them, where would we be?
I agree, if they break the law, they should be held accountable.

I just dont like that negativity, sorry.
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I just think like every other organ of the state they need to be monitored and abide by the laws of the country. I don't believe in putting blind faith in anybody, the police, like the rest of us, are human too. It's a slippery slope if you create one set of laws for police and one for everyone else.
 
Julia said:
What do you mean "HECS fees for university discriminates"?
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For a start on graduation they are faced with a large HECS fee debt at a time when they are seeking work, many starting a family and trying to get their first home.

Second, with higher degrees they will be contributors for the rest of their lives via taxation for the total mix. (How many times do you keep having to pay taxes, whew.puff).

And third, it is the higher educated who lead the community in their later life, and we need very many more of them.

And finally it is clear that Governments do not want a too highly and educated fraternity as it brings them to account and of course through proper evaluation they tend to be left wing.

Remember well our dear little King Johnny getting rid of the students unions. And why? because they see through the veneer and hypocrisy of big business Governments. And on that note they used to rant that they stood for small business, what a joke that has turned out to be with the big food chains now dominating the petrol industry and farmers at the coalface and one can elaborate much more on such aspects as this.

Putting money directly into education is the best investment a Government can make for the betterment of all.
 
So, Explod, you believe the taxpayer, many of whom had no opportunity to pursue tertiary education, should fund out of their average weekly wage, the extended education of all those who aspire to holding multiple degrees and who qualify to earn salaries many, many times that of the said taxpayer?

You are happy for the specialist dentist/medical practitioner, earning hundreds of thousands a year, to be subsidised by the bloke trying to raise a family on around $50K a year, amongst it paying the fees for consultation with those very practitioners he has subsidised?
 
You might also be in favour of Nicola Roxon's latest thought bubble, Explod. She is apparently suggesting that it should become against the law to offend someone.

Others might have the words to describe such a prospect. I'm speechless!
The nanny state with all its stupid political correctness seems to know no bounds.
 
explod said:
Remember well our dear little King Johnny getting rid of the students unions. And why? because they see through the veneer and hypocrisy of big business Governments.
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Those unions were a waste of time. It was just an excuse for a bunch of undersexed, wannabe politicians to play parliament with other people's money. I hardly got any benefit from them yet I had to pay my $500-$600 (not an insignificant amount when you're a student!) every year. If they had been of any use, then the unions would have welcomed voluntary membership. Making students pay for things like other students' childcare needs is just absurd.

I agree with you that university costs are too high. I think everyone at uni should have some skin in the game (ie not completely free) but I would hate for it to become like the US. The average university qualified worker earns far more and pays far more in tax over their lifetime.
 
The Chinese don't muck around -

Would-be plane bombers sentenced to death

Three men have been sentenced to death in China after allegedly trying to blow up a plane.

According to state media, the men from Xinjiang, the Muslim province in far western China, have been found guilty of trying to hijack a plane and blow it up.

They reportedly smuggled explosives onto a flight which left the regional capital Urumqi in June, before shouting "extremist religious slogans".

Their attempts to detonate the explosives failed.

The six people who tried to hijack the plane are then said to have been overwhelmed by airline staff and passengers
Two hijackers died from injuries sustained in the struggle on board the flight
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-12/death-sentence-for-would-be-plane-bombers/4424822
 
Yes, Mr Burns, we have had a few repeat offenders in the news of late..

Was reading about this Julian Knight and how many times he has fronted court, at least he is still in jail but what a joke, honestly.
Hoddle Street mass murderer Julian Knight appeared in court 15 times last year to challenge Corrections Victoria officials, prison staff and others about his jail conditions and his parole eligibility date - despite the serial legal pest being one of 12 people declared as vexatious litigants.

Knight, 45, murdered seven people and wounded 19 others during a 1987 shooting rampage in Hoddle Street, Clifton Hill. He was sentenced to life with a minimum of 27 years after he pleaded guilty to seven counts of murder and 46 counts of attempted murder. His earliest eligible release date is May 8, 2014, but the Adult Parole Board declared last year that it considered Knight a ''danger to the community'' and ''there is no prospect of an order for release on parole in the forseeable future''.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/v...-law-review-20130413-2hsju.html#ixzz2QQiRU9MQ
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I feel for the victims families.
 
Yes I saw that Mr Burns and wish them well also.
CONVICTED killer Steven James Hunter's parole had expired just nine days before he murdered beautiful young Sarah Cafferkey.
In the days after her stabbing death last November, Hunter, 47 - who first murdered a co-worker in 1986 - attracted little attention from police as he went about trying to conceal his crime, despite a tipoff about him.
Hunter pleaded guilty to murdering the Melbourne woman - his second frenzied stabbing slaying in a criminal career spanning more than two decades.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-new...er/story-fndo4cq1-1226607435906#ixzz2QSzwR1KP
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It is a disgrace
 
I agree Burns and Tink

So what do you think we need to do about it?

Closing down juvinile offender mentor programms like the libs did here in Victoria about a year or so back is not much help.
 
explod said:
I agree Burns and Tink

So what do you think we need to do about it?

Closing down juvinile offender mentor programms like the libs did here in Victoria about a year or so back is not much help.
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Build more jails, change the laws so the definition of who qualifies for rehabilitation is more realistic.

Once you commit a serious crime sexual, violence etc you really shouldn't be let back out.

You can't "punish" a sick mind, time in jail doesn't mean they wont reoffend, that's rubbish.

And putting them outside under "supervision" ? Please don't spend my taxes on bulldust like that, if they need supervision leave them inside.

Jill Meagher and others would still be alive if the system was working in the public interest.
 
MrBurns said:
Build more jails, change the laws so the definition of who qualifies for rehabilitation is more realistic.

Once you commit a serious crime sexual, violence etc you really shouldn't be let back out.

You can't "punish" a sick mind, time in jail doesn't mean they wont reoffend, that's rubbish.

And putting them outside under "supervision" ? Please don't spend my taxes on bulldust like that, if they need supervision leave them inside.

Jill Meagher and others would still be alive if the system was working in the public interest.
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Some excellent points Monty - and on a positive note, as we speak almost every prison in Victoria is being expanded by either putting in extra beds, building more units, or both. A new 500+ bed facility is being started soon, after the new financial year I believe.

If we build it, they will come.
 
500 beds extra..probably for the whole year
that is around a week of "so called refugees" landing here and if europe experience is taken into account whith the proportion of immigrants inmate there and their crime rate, this will not be anywhere near enough to keep the flood of new criminals in
But Australia is different of course, the poor "refugees" will all integrate and becomes mates, their daughters will roam the beaches and binge drink on friday night as true blue aussies
a short bust of anger
but the short sight attitude in handling illegal immigrants in this country will have far reaching negative consequences on the justice system here.
If you find the system lax now, wait 15years and see how it will be when jails will be so overpopulated that you have mass release every year just so that some jail terms can be applied.
 

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