Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

PZ99 · 29 September 2017

Like I said... the U went out of Labour years ago.

Having said that if there is a widening gap between the haves and the have-nots the "working class struggle" and the "popular" vote won't be as mutually exclusive as they once were...

Which probably explains the shift in the Liberal Party as well.

Value Collector · 29 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
I have no argument with "good" sex education. It depends on what the definition of that is.

My comments were to Tisme, who said that schools should be only teaching traditional subjects, and leave sex ed and other issues to the parents.

But the reactionary parents are protesting at the mention of LGBTs during health lessons, and that its normal for some of the students to turn out LGBT.

In my view, its a very good thing for an LGBT student who might be raised in a family that quite anti LGBT and being told all sorts of nonsense at home, to be taught the facts at school, and feel like the school community will accept him and he or she isn't a freak like his church or family might preach.

SirRumpole · 29 September 2017

Value Collector said:
In my view, its a very good thing for an LGBT student who might be raised in a family that quite anti LGBT and being told all sorts of nonsense at home, to be taught the facts at school, and feel like the school community will accept him and he or she isn't a freak like his church or family might preach.

Well fine, but as only 5% of the population are gay, they should only get 5% of the class time.

Value Collector · 29 September 2017

This video is a good example of how

a, Religion messes with peoples mind so much that they will disown there own children.

b, that there are parents out there that will not teach their children that its ok to be LGBT, and instead possibly give them all sorts of unnecessary emotional issue that lead to high suicide rates etc.

Value Collector · 29 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
Well fine, but as only 5% of the population are gay, they should only get 5% of the class time.

As I have said before it affects much more than 5%.

Sure about 5% will be LBGT, the ones that aren't LGBT still need the education because they have a 10% chance of being parents to an LGBT and 20% chance of being grandparents to an LGBT, not to mention the chances of being a neighbour, work colleague etc.

Also, with proper education on LGBT issues, society in general will be more accepting and the high rates of mental health issues and suicide etc will be reduced, there is a good chance that if the job is done well, within a generation the need to focus on lgbt issues will be gone.

That video I linked above is heart breaking, that Dad might have been a much better Dad if he was not taught to be so homophobic.

PZ99 · 29 September 2017

The video is heart breaking but also uplifting because it's a win for freedom over religious entrapment practiced by manipulators with dubious backgrounds. People are finally getting it right.

Logique · 29 September 2017

In the video, I felt genuinely sorry for the poor guy. His parents were completely unrelenting. He had a hard time moving on from it.

I don't think we should generalize about it though. I reckon the overwhelming majority of parents would just be happy for their kid, and be as supportive as they could.

wayneL · 29 September 2017

BRAVO SYDNEY SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA!

The full Sydney Symphony Orchestra Statement

“The SSO is a highly-respected organisation spanning more than 85 years with members, concert- goers, very generous sponsors and donors, not to mention loyal and committed staff and musicians, all of whom come from wide and diverse backgrounds and opinions.

“It has always been the case that the SSO has engendered organisational initiatives and performances that reflect an abiding commitment to inclusiveness, fairness and acceptance and that the company has at its core a commitment to everyone in our community – regardless of gender, orientation, cultural background or religious beliefs – of performing music to the highest calibre for which the orchestra is celebrated around the world.

“There is no question that the SSO strongly supports the rights of all citizens to place on the record their views, by way of the private and confidential postal plebiscite and as such, the company does not feel it has the right to take a position and commit our stakeholders to one side or the other and has decided it should remain neutral. We urge all Australians to respect the democratic process of the majority decision, one way or the other, in a spirit of goodwill and cooperation towards each other in a peaceful resolution.”

wayneL · 29 September 2017

And of course the cultural marxists have gone apesh1t.

SirRumpole · 29 September 2017

wayneL said:
“There is no question that the SSO strongly supports the rights of all citizens to place on the record their views, by way of the private and confidential postal plebiscite and as such, the company does not feel it has the right to take a position and commit our stakeholders to one side or the other and has decided it should remain neutral.

Very sensible.

Tisme · 29 September 2017

Value Collector said:
My comments were to Tisme, who said that schools should be only teaching traditional subjects, and leave sex ed and other issues to the parents.

But the reactionary parents are protesting at the mention of LGBTs during health lessons, and that its normal for some of the students to turn out LGBT.

In my view, its a very good thing for an LGBT student who might be raised in a family that quite anti LGBT and being told all sorts of nonsense at home, to be taught the facts at school, and feel like the school community will accept him and he or she isn't a freak like his church or family might preach.

If it's sex education for gays, surely the whole fertilisation, gestation, birth etc is wiped out and the class would consist of one sentence. e.g. "You have a willy, he has an arse, you figure out happens next"

Value Collector · 29 September 2017

Logique said:
In the video, I felt genuinely sorry for the poor guy.

I actually felt sorry for the Dad, I watched the whole show, and the dad I feel genuinely loved the son and missed spending time with him, but due to his ideas about gays couldn't bring himself to accept his sons relationships, so they didn't see each other.

After the meeting in the video, the son returned with plane tickets for both the mum and dad to join them in Palm Springs, USA for the wedding, but the parents never went.

That dad is missing what could be a great father son relationship, all because he was raised to be uncomfortable with gays, He probably would have benefited greatly by being taught to accept gays in his youth, and the whole family would benefit.

satanoperca · 29 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
And it killed a lot of people. Have you ever heard of AIDS ?

You even had gays with AIDS having sex with heterosexuals or giving blood donations to deliberately spread the filth around.

Disgusting.

You live in a box don't you.

So based on your silly argument, all heterosexuals should be removed from society as they kill more people with guns than gays do. Another stupid statement.

"You even had gays with AIDS having sex with heterosexuals" but this one takes the cake. How they be heteros if they had sex with gays by definition, they are at least bisexual which is probably a much larger % of society than you think.

SirRumpole · 29 September 2017

satanoperca said:
You live in a box don't you.

At least I'm alive. Unlike a large section of the gay population in the 80's.

Wysiwyg · 29 September 2017

wayneL said:
“There is no question that the SSO strongly supports the rights of all citizens to place on the record their views, by way of the private and confidential postal plebiscite and as such, the company does not feel it has the right to take a position and commit our stakeholders to one side or the other and has decided it should remain neutral. We urge all Australians to respect the democratic process of the majority decision, one way or the other, in a spirit of goodwill and cooperation towards each other in a peaceful resolution.”

Well that would be relevant if the survey was in fact a compulsory vote on the subject.

wayneL · 29 September 2017

Wysiwyg said:
Well that would be relevant if the survey was in fact a compulsory vote on the subject.

I'm struggling to see your point, can you explain that a little further

Wysiwyg · 29 September 2017

wayneL said:
I'm struggling to see your point, can you explain that a little further

Yes. This is not a vote for SSM, it is a non compulsory survey. The SSO statement section I bolded refers to "majority decision" when it is not a decisive vote.

wayneL · 29 September 2017

Wysiwyg said:
Yes. This is not a vote for SSM, it is a non compulsory survey. The SSO statement section I bolded refers to "majority decision" when it is not a decisive vote.

Ah see what you're saying, however I don't thing that was the overarching point.

Value Collector · 29 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
At least I'm alive. Unlike a large section of the gay population in the 80's.

you aren't very good with numbers are you???

The annual number of AIDS diagnoses in Australia peaked at 953 cases in 1994.

Now they aren't all gay, that number includes many heterosexuals, drug users and accidental infections.

But even if we say only LGBT people could catch aids, that would still mean much less than 1% of LGBT people were effected, and not all died.

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By 31 December 2015, 36,171 cases of HIV had been diagnosed in Australia since the first diagnoses in 1982.

of that 36,171 people diagnosed, an estimated 25,313 people were living in 2015

SirRumpole · 29 September 2017

Value Collector said:
of that 36,171 people diagnosed, an estimated 25,313 people were living in 2015

So, that's good, treatment improved over the years, but in the early days a lot of people died.

Same sex marriage - Yes or No?