Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[SirRumpole]

'cause I heard from Wil Smith that AIDS was developed by the CIA and spread out in Africa to control its population

Yeah right. Got any facts and figures to back that up ?

 

[luutzu]

Yeah right. Got any facts and figures to back that up ?

No. And I did say I didn't believe it.

btw, Wil Smith is an actor you may have seen from such classics as Fresh Prince of Bel Air; Men in Black; The Pursuit of Happyness and some golf movie

That's not to say the CIA couldn't possibly have done it. They invented the term "conspiracy theory" to throw Mel Gibson off his meds, no not in real life, in that movie with an evil Professor X.

Back to the point, dude, AIDS is not "a gay disease", nor spread by gays. Like VC said, if society and its norms force homosexuals into that closet... you know, where "real men" aren't fags and whatnot... some real men might be gay and so sneak off, get that urge fix from whoever is available. Further increasing the chance of catching STDs, with AIDS being one of them.

 

[SirRumpole]

Back to the point, dude, AIDS is not "a gay disease", nor spread by gays.

It most definitely was spread in the main by gays, which is why they suffered from it disproportionately compared to the heterosexual population, and if you were around in the '80's you would remember the "grim reaper" ads which were pitched to gays and IV drug users (a big proportion of which were also gay).

Trying to whitewash history doesn't do much for people's credibility.

 

[Macquack]

...pitched to gays and IV drug users (a big proportion of which were also gay).

C'mon Sir, are you now trying to link being gay with IV drug use. That is like saying a big proportion of people with red hair are smack heads.

 

[SirRumpole]

C'mon Sir, are you now trying to link being gay with IV drug use. That is like saying a big proportion of people with red hair are smack heads.

"Drug use Seven times higher among gays"

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...se-seven-times-higher-among-gays-8165971.html

 

[Value Collector]

They don't need to hide the fact that they are gay from their gay mates.

I am talking about hiding it from their parents, neighbors, general public, employers, wife, sports team etc etc

If you think in the 70's and 80's most gays were open about their relationships You are wrong, a large portion hid their sexuality, and limited it to short term flings or one night stands etc.

That's why bath houses etc were popular in Sydney.

 

[Value Collector]

"Drug use Seven times higher among gays"

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...se-seven-times-higher-among-gays-8165971.html

Drug use can be linked to family problems and mental health issues, which we already know affect the LGBT community at higher rates, they are also 7 times more likely to commit suicide, so yeah it's not that they are bad people, it's just life can be rough for them.

All of the issues you are bringing up are problems that can be traced back to society not accepting them and generally giving them a hard time in the past.

 

[SirRumpole]

All of the issues you are bringing up are problems that can be traced back to society not accepting them and generally giving them a hard time in the past.

A lot of gay people have been very successful in all walks of life, art, entertainment, law, media you name it.

It depends on the character of the individual how they choose to live their lives, not society.

 

[Macquack]

"Drug use Seven times higher among gays"

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...se-seven-times-higher-among-gays-8165971.html

Did you read the article you posted?

"Heroin use was comparable among both populations".

So as far as drugs taken intravenously, drug use by gays is the same as the greater population, not seven times higher.

 

[basilio]

The infiltration of the gay mafia into childrens TV. Have you seen this program the Rainbow House ?

 

[Value Collector]

A lot of gay people have been very successful in all walks of life, art, entertainment, law, media you name it.

and in a lot of cases they have had to over come huge obstacles to do it, some even had to hide the fact they were gay until they were successful, look at the backlash Ellen received in the 90's when she came out, she is lucky she was already successful other wise she wouldn't perhaps have her career now, how ever some people get caught up in those obstacles, through no fault of their own.

If you have a supportive family, you feel accepted, and society embraces you, and you aren't hung up with depression or other issues you have a better chance of success.

In the past gays generally struggled with those things, and still do in many cases.

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Ellen talks about coming out, and having her show axed.

 

[PZ99]

That video says it all. Australia was one of the last countries to embrace colour TV so the hidden message in the colours was confined to the latte sippers. LOL

 

[Tisme]

A contract taken so seriously that there's an entire industry based around the 40% (roughly) of such contracts which aren't fulfilled.

There might be something but I can't think of anything else where 40% of formal contracts result in one or both parties actually walking away from the deal.

So serious that more people stayed married than split.

How many people are there married in Australia and how many in Australia are divorced?

 

[Tisme]

Yeah right. Got any facts and figures to back that up ?

This help to indicate about it roots and spread? Eyes wide shut for the fans of disease ridden who refuse to accept historical fact.

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/history/hiv-and-aids-timeline

 

[Wysiwyg]

The infiltration of the gay mafia into childrens TV. Have you seen this program the Rainbow House ?

That was one adult clip produced over the 20 year production life and not for childrens viewing and not homosexually related. Rainbow House was not homosexual television for kids.

It was intended to develop language and number skills for pre-school children, and went on to win the Society of Film and Television Arts Award for Best Children's Programme in 1975.

In 1979, the cast and crew of Rainbow made a special exclusive sketch for the Thames TV staff Christmas tape, sometimes referred to as the "Twangers" episode. This sketch featured plenty of deliberate sexual innuendo (beginning with Zippy peeling a banana, saying 'One skin, two skin, three skin, four...' before being interrupted), and was never shown at the time (as it was never intended to be screened to the general public.) It also included Geoffrey convincing the viewers to 'bounce' their balls, but if they did not have any balls, they could ask a friend if they could play with his. Jane also claimed that she was "blowing a lot with Rodger". Soon, Zippy asked them to stop, suggesting whether to play with a blowing tube and maracas, so they could start singing "The Plucking Song".

 

[Tisme]

As hard as THEY tried, in a three cornered contest, Football won out in the end. Let's hope NRL win too.

 

[basilio]

That was one adult clip produced over the 20 year production life and not for childrens viewing and not homosexually related. Rainbow House was not homosexual television for kids.

Really ? Truly ? You are such a spoilsport Wysiwyg.
It was droll.

 

[Logique]

Senator Abetz covered the 'No' case pretty well earlier this morning, on ABC TV. But doubtless the commissars will be along after 9am to re-educate us.

Give the Parliament a blank cheque over our freedoms of speech, religion and parental rights? Not likely.

John Howard Accuses Government Of Washing Its Hands Of Postal Survey Aftermath. The former PM is a "no" man.
Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...-hands-of-postal-survey-aftermath_a_23208447/ Updated 14/09/2017 2:36 PM AEST
...John Howard is accusing the Government of washing its hands of any responsibility for what happens after a possible "yes" result. He's intervened in current government policy, criticising the government for, "merely stating that it will facilitate a private member's bill."....
The former Prime Minister, who is firmly in the "no" camp, specifically wants the Government to spell out, in advance of the vote, what steps it will take to protect parental rights, freedom of speech, and religious freedom in the event of a "yes" result in the postal survey.
Howard has slapped down any description of these issues as "red herrings"....

 

[Tisme]

http://tonyabbott.com.au/2017/09/left-will-find-aussies-dont-like-told/

Originally published in the Daily Telegraph and the Herald Sun, 28 September 2017

No one wants to seem harsh towards gay friends and family members which is why most people’s initial inclination was to say “yes” to same sex marriage. But that’s starting to change as more and more of us realise that this issue is being exploited by the left-wing activists who are waging war on our way of life.

The issue is less same sex marriage itself than the consequences for parental choice, freedom of speech and freedom of religion that it will bring in its train. Very few Australians would want a Catholic adoption agency to close down, an orthodox Jewish school to have its funding threatened, or parents to be denied information about sex education classes in their children’s schools but these have all flowed from enshrining same sex marriage in the law of comparable countries.

No one should underestimate the scale of the moral and cultural shifts that have accompanied the left’s “long march through the institutions”. Of course, the placards “vote yes for same sex marriage and for (so-called) safe schools” misrepresent the views of most same sex marriage supporters but social re-engineering is certainly the agenda of the counter-cultural warriors who are driving this campaign. They don’t want to join marriage; they want to change it. The more marriage is broadened out, the less it means; but once it means almost anything, it can end up meaning nothing much at all and a great pillar of society designed originally for the protection of women and the nurturing of children has been kicked away.

When I was growing up in the 1960s, there was no doubt a tough and judgmental aspect to life in Australia where much was improperly denied and where many were wrongly kept in a subordinate place. I rejoice at the freedom, the opportunity, and the acceptance that everyone can now take for granted; but I fear a suffocating new orthodoxy as the social pendulum swings from one extreme to another. For all the narrow-mindedness of the recent past, at least there was a clear understanding that the concept of marriage as the loving union of one man with one women preferably for life and usually dedicated to well-being of their children was an essential part of keeping in check the selfish and exploitative side of humanity.

Everywhere we look, what was self-evident just a generation ago is now under assault; and we’re not just junking old prejudices in favour of sensible things like allowing women to tackle numerous roles once reserved for men. It’s becoming a different world where gender is no longer objectively set but is whatever people choose; where pre-pubescent children are permitted (as far as they can) actually to change their sex; where doctors are expected to assist people to die rather than help them to live; and where school-children can’t give each other Christmas cards lest that seem unfair to non-Christians. These are just some of the bewildering moral transformations that are becoming the new normal in this brave new world.

Same sex marriage is the frontal attack on traditional values that can only take place because of the infiltration and erosion that’s been going on for years. So much social change has happened more-or-less without anyone noticing at the time: IVF for singles; adoption for gays; the evolution of fathers’ day and mothers’ day into “special person’s” days. But thanks to an Abbott government commitment, that the Turnbull government has honoured as best it can with the postal plebiscite, the public are finally being asked what they think. And due to the bullying and intolerance of the “yes” forces – the GetUp! petition to strike off a doctor concerned about family values; the sacking of a young Christian girl who posted “it’s ok the say ‘no’” on social media; the notion that anti-SSM MPs should be “hate-f—ed” out of their alleged homophobia; the hounding of Israel Folau for daring to speak out and much more – the public are beginning to sense that the “love is love” campaign isn’t quite as innocent as it sounds.

Of course, the “yes” case has all the money and all the celebrities on their side. The Abbott family’s ballots arrived in the post along with a glossy brochure from some Liberal leaders urging a “yes” vote. Millions of people’s (silent) mobile phone numbers have been bombarded by “yes” text messages. Dozens of big companies are spending shareholders’ money on one side of this argument. Even sporting codes are trying to frog march their followers into voting just one way. We’ll soon find out how influential the politically correct establishment has been. My instinct is that Australians still might surprise everyone and vote against being lectured what to do.

 

[basilio]

Says it all..

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