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That way it doesn't look like they are just discriminating against gays, and are taking all the marriage rules seriously.
The church is a club and can make it's own rules about who it serves.
That way it doesn't look like they are just discriminating against gays, and are taking all the marriage rules seriously.
yep, I have never said they can't.The church is a club and can make it's own rules about who it serves.
Every time I check the voting on here it's showing 2/3rd's in favour and 1/3rd against. However on an entirely different forum it is 2/3rd's the other way. It's going to be a close vote.
Close, more Gold and Silver orientated. Called Sil**r St**kers.You don't need to say the name Bill, just curious, is it a stocks based forum?
Not quite truem, VC:The churches have nothing to do with legal marriage anyway.
Before you apply
Many marriage celebrants perform few or no marriages each year as there are:
- more than 8 000 Commonwealth-registered marriage celebrants
- more than 23 000 ministers of religion who can perform marriages
- about 121 200 marriages that took place in Australia in 2014.
Not quite truem, VC:
A priest or padre can well become a licensed Marriage Celebrant, thus killing two birds with one stone. See https://www.ag.gov.au/FamiliesAndMarriage/Marriage/Pages/Becomingamarriagecelebrant.aspx
and note in particular this advice:
You can get married without anything to do with the church is the point.Not quite truem, VC:
A priest or padre can well become a licensed Marriage Celebrant, thus killing two birds with one stone. See https://www.ag.gov.au/FamiliesAndMarriage/Marriage/Pages/Becomingamarriagecelebrant.aspx
and note in particular this advice:
If you work in a pub then you're going to be serving alcohol.VC: what about the religious wedding cake baker? and wedding photographer?
Wasn't the point that if you choose to work in the industry and be open to the public that you should serve all costomers?If you work in a pub then you're going to be serving alcohol.
If you work as a butcher then you're going to be cutting up dead animals.
If you work as a wedding photographer then you're going to be photographing weddings.
Presumably someone with religious or other ideological opposition to what's involved in any particular job wouldn't choose to be employed in that industry.
You brought it up, VC: It was your initial statement, "The churches have nothing to do with legal marriage" that I replied to. According to the .gov.au website that I cited, the vast majority of legal marriage celebrants are ministers of various churches, which makes them indeed partners in crime. That means, in cases where couples choose a religious minister, the respective church is well and truly involved. And every licensed celebrant ought to be bound to marry any two persons that are legally permitted to get married.Yes, but it's the part about being a "licensed marriage celebrant" that's important, not the priest/pardre bit, without that any religious service is nothing.
We are discussing the right of gays to have their marriages legally recognized by the Australian government, whether the church recognizes it is irrelevant.
Alot of assumptions t hereYou brought it up, VC: It was your initial statement, "The churches have nothing to do with legal marriage" that I replied to. According to the .gov.au website that I cited, the vast majority of legal marriage celebrants are ministers of various churches, which makes them indeed partners in crime. That means, in cases where couples choose a religious minister, the respective church is well and truly involved. And every licensed celebrant ought to be bound to marry any two persons that are legally permitted to get married.
Countries that maintain stricter segregation of Secular and Church matters won't allow those two to be mixed-up. In those countries, couples must get their marriage recorded by a Public Servant in a dedicated Government Office. The Officer is obliged to marry any couples that qualify under the Law of the respective Land and cannot refuse to do so on a personal whim. OK, one may try, and some have refused to marry same-sex couples. One refusal is usually their last; then they're free to look for another job outside Government/ Public Service.
After the marriage is legally recorded, if the newly-weds so wish, they may organise a ceremony of their choosing. It's up to them and the "Club" that accepts them as members, how that pans out.
You brought it up, VC: It was your initial statement, "The churches have nothing to do with legal marriage" that I replied to. According to the .gov.au website that I cited, the vast majority of legal marriage celebrants are ministers of various churches, which makes them indeed partners in crime. That means, in cases where couples choose a religious minister, the respective church is well and truly involved. And every licensed celebrant ought to be bound to marry any two persons that are legally permitted to get married.
Countries that maintain stricter segregation of Secular and Church matters won't allow those two to be mixed-up. In those countries, couples must get their marriage recorded by a Public Servant in a dedicated Government Office. The Officer is obliged to marry any couples that qualify under the Law of the respective Land and cannot refuse to do so on a personal whim. OK, one may try, and some have refused to marry same-sex couples. One refusal is usually their last; then they're free to look for another job outside Government/ Public Service.
After the marriage is legally recorded, if the newly-weds so wish, they may organise a ceremony of their choosing. It's up to them and the "Club" that accepts them as members, how that pans out.
Wasn't the point that if you choose to work in the industry and be open to the public that you should serve all costomers?
You must have been watching too much "Common Sense", RumpyComments ?
Besides, not "everyone" would be happy:
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