Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[Tink]

That is not the case, VC, as I mentioned in Tasmania.

 

[SirRumpole]

Sexual repression does strange things.

Sexual repression could well be a factor, but it's also possible that some or many of these priests could have been pedophiles to start with and joined the church because it gave them an easy living and access to their victims.

 

[Value Collector]

Sexual repression could well be a factor, but it's also possible that some or many of these priests could have been pedophiles to start with and joined the church because it gave them an easy living and access to their victims.

True, but gay doesn't = paedophile any more than straight = paedophile.

If your going to point to male to male pedophilla and say this is what gay men do, but you don't judge straight men in the same way, based on male to female pedophillia, then you are committing a logical fallacy.

 

[Bill M]

Every time I check the voting on here it's showing 2/3rd's in favour and 1/3rd against. However on an entirely different forum it is 2/3rd's the other way. It's going to be a close vote.

 

[againsthegrain]

Haha asf have really gone down when threads like this are at the top, what happened to property thread or at least some speccy stock breakouts

 

[SirRumpole]

True, but gay doesn't = paedophile any more than straight = paedophile.

If your going to point to male to male pedophilla and say this is what gay men do, but you don't judge straight men in the same way, based on male to female pedophillia, then you are committing a logical fallacy.

I was simply making an observation about pedophiles in the church, kindly don't conflate that to somehjing different.

I've seen no evidence to suggest that gays are more or less disposed to pedophilia than heterosexuals, but if there is evidence it should be allowed to be published without accusations of homophobia.

 

[Value Collector]

I was simply making an observation about pedophiles in the church, kindly don't conflate that to somehjing different.

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I think its an assumption more than an observation.

I've seen no evidence to suggest that gays are more or less disposed to pedophilia than heterosexuals,

Nor do I, but some how every thread related to gay marriage some how ends up introducing the red herring of children, and then an article about those pedophiles that adopted that kid always pops up.

but if there is evidence it should be allowed to be published without accusations of homophobia

Yes evidence, but not repeated unfounded claims that have been dealt a 1000 times.

 

[Tisme]

Every time I check the voting on here it's showing 2/3rd's in favour and 1/3rd against. However on an entirely different forum it is 2/3rd's the other way. It's going to be a close vote.

Yes the trend here is topsy turvy to most other polls. I suspect we have visitors or multiple personalities in one body.

 

[overhang]

Yes the trend here is topsy turvy to most other polls. I suspect we have visitors or multiple personalities in one body.

The result on here I find surprising but the results do seem to be in line with the general population. I'm curious what other polls have opposite results?

 

[Tisme]

The result on here I find surprising but the results do seem to be in line with the general population. I'm curious what other polls have opposite results?

Yes well of course I should have added a caveat, that "most other polls" as witnessed by me. Of course if John Howard had structured the poll question, it would be 90% against and 10% for, coz no one f#4ks with our flag, our monarch and our constitution

 

[grah33]

u lot are probably on facebook (almost everyone is). why don't a few of you do your own poll , then tally yourselves together (update it as you get more comments)... 10 people here X 30-50 face page comments . vote either Yes, NO, or will not vote



VC: what about the religious wedding cake baker? and wedding photographer? should the law compel him to do something that is a a serious violation to his faith? as i said before, to the religious types out there e.g. christians it's like a jew eating pork. the reality is , they are being compelled overseas.

 

[Logique]

Every time I check the voting on here it's showing 2/3rd's in favour and 1/3rd against. However on an entirely different forum it is 2/3rd's the other way. It's going to be a close vote.

You don't need to say the name Bill, just curious, is it a stocks based forum?

 

[Logique]

Haha asf have really gone down when threads like this are at the top, what happened to property thread or at least some speccy stock breakouts

Just biding our time, waiting for those profits to roll in mate!

More haste, less speed. We understand this at ASF.

 

[Logique]

The result on here I find surprising but the results do seem to be in line with the general population. I'm curious what other polls have opposite results?

Overhang, where is you evidence for that?

The Coalition were elected on the promise of a plebiscite. That's clear evidence.

 

[Value Collector]

VC: what about the religious wedding cake baker? and wedding photographer? should the law compel him to do something that is a a serious violation to his faith?

Did they advertise themselves as a religious or christian wedding cake baker or wedding photographer? Did they have signs up the clearly stated their rules?

Did they market themselves to only a selected club, or did they just act like they were open to the public?

As I said if they are open to the public, anyone from the public should be able to buy the products, if they don't want to serve certain groups, then market yourself that way.

as i said before, to the religious types out there e.g. christians it's like a jew eating pork. the reality is , they are being compelled overseas.

would you accept a Mormon who refused to serve an interracial couple in a resturant, just because his silly religion taught him marriages between whites and blacks were cursed?

 

[SirRumpole]

As I said if they are open to the public, anyone from the public should be able to buy the products, if they don't want to serve certain groups, then market yourself that way.

So a simple sign outside a cake shop saying "We don't serve gays" would satisfy you ?

Obviously churches could do the same thing.

 

[Logique]

Fairfax press are fair and balanced at all times, they don't have vetting procedures.
As this article displays:

17 August 2017 - This is why I'll be voting 'no' to same-sex marriage
Guest author: Kevin Donnelly
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/this-is-why-ill-be-voting-no-to-samesex-marriage-20170817-gxy6np.html

 

[grah33]

VC: fair enough with your view. it means you don't believe in religious freedom. then democracy isn't for you. you would prefer a different government system which compels people to go against their deeply held religious views, even if it puts them in a state of inner turmoil. and you're not the only one like this. many in the parliament are. they would prefer a different kind of system , which isn't democracy but something else, which they feel is a better.

 

[Value Collector]

So a simple sign outside a cake shop saying "We don't serve gays" would satisfy you ?

Obviously churches could do the same thing.

Maybe a sign that said.

"This business follows christian teachings, We will not serve couples that have any of the following traits.

1, Are not virgins, (Bride must be a virgin on the wedding day)
2, Have previously been married, (the bible rules out divorce)
3, couples where either partner is an unbeliever in god
4, same sex couples
5, couples where the bride refuses to submit to her groom"

That way it doesn't look like they are just discriminating against gays, and are taking all the marriage rules seriously.

 

[Value Collector]

VC: fair enough with your view. it means you don't believe in religious freedom.

Actually I am a big supporter of religious freedom, but part of religious freedom is not forcing your religion on other people.

Also having a religion doesn't give you the right to break laws.

As I said, I would be fine with any business clearly stating it is not open to the public, but instead exists to serve a certain club, but when you open your self to the public, you are accepting the responsibility of serving the public, you don't have the right to discriminate.