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Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse

It's a complete beat up.
The police have already looked at it.
If he wasn't in the Church the ABC would have writs already. These complainents have an agenda.
 
It's a complete beat up.
The police have already looked at it.
If he wasn't in the Church the ABC would have writs already. These complainents have an agenda.

Not true Knobby. It is still well and truly being investigated by the police and has been sent to the Office of Public Prosecutions. If there is an agenda by the complainants it's to make sure this isn't quietly binned.

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/graham-a...-george-pell-about-leaks-20160728-gqfgt1.html
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...nvestigation-into-police-over-sex-abuse-smear
 
It's a bit of a worry that these guys have waited untill now to come forward.

It all may be true, but can they prove it ?

I don't think much will come out of it as it seems to be their words against Pell's.
 
It's a bit of a worry that these guys have waited untill now to come forward.

It all may be true, but can they prove it ?

I don't think much will come out of it as it seems to be their words against Pell's.

They havn't just come out with this. The investigation has been been running for at least a year. In February this year the Herald Sun ran an expose of the allegations. The 7.30 report was, in a sense, the result of the complainants wanting to keep the issue in the public eye.

Regarding proof ? There are three separate sets of allegations at different times with different people. They were multiple actions over a period of time. It wasn't a simple one off behaviour.

I suppose the job of the Office of Prosecutor is to examine the evidence offered and judge if it is strong enough to warrant a prosecution. There are also many people who were witness to the some of the events and it's possible the publicity will jog the memory of others who were also on location.
 
I do not like these inquesst after 20y, it is impossible to really know the truth, the French legal system has the concept of prescription, after a certain time: 10y or 20y I do not remember the details: depends on type of crime, the claims are discarded;
How do you want someone innocent to prove that in the night of 5th of july 1998 or whatever , he did not raped that boy in that place.most witnesses are dead, victims can be confused with dates/face/people especially if children at the time;how can a jury decide that there is no doubt..
This is not justice but witchhunt in my opinion; justice would be better served by ensuring today's crimes are solved.
Note that I am not a friend of the church here but that is too easy to accuse , especially if you take into account the potential monetary gains.
 

You have to consider the possibility of witness collusion. The two men now making the allegations went to the same school. The wife of the man who ran the pool at the times said she never saw anything inappropriate.

Well , let them try if they have the evidence. Rolf Harris got convicted on similar evidence. It seems the Statute of Limitations doesn't apply in this case.
 
The question of priests abusing children was practically unthinkable 20-30 years ago. The response to children or anyone who tried to accuse priests of such actions was disbelief and generally a refusal to even consider the possibility of such activity.

The statement and circumstances of the person who ticked off George Pell for exposing himself to children in the Torquay Surf Club is quite compelling. And he did tell other people at the time.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...to-young-boys-at-surf-club-says-victorian-man
 
One of the critical issues with Cardinal Pell is that lived with Gerald Risdale for a long term in Ballarat. Gerald was one of the worst sec abuse offenders amongst the Catholic clergy. The Royal Commission found it very hard to understand how Cardinal Pell was unable to what was happening right in front of him.

What was happening Ballarat ?

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/feature/girls-paedophile-and-cardinal-pell
 
40 ex-students from St Alipius suicided . Why ?

This was published before the Royal Commission. The writer is the lawyer representing the male victims of the priests and brothers who abused them


http://sheilas.org.au/2012/07/in-the-name-of-the-father/
 
What was Father Gerald Risdales sexual history as a priest ?

Gerald Risdale is in Pentridge for a minimum of 24 years over sex assaults on at least 54 children. How did this all happen ?

This Broken Rites research outlines Geralds history and the role of the Catholic Church in protecting him and the Church over a 30 years period.

It is a long read..


http://brokenrites.org.au/drupal/node/55

 
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Pell is back on the radar with the coppers over new sexual abuses allegations
 
I can't understand why these disgusting acts were ever allowed to happen, especially as we were all made beware of never being alone with men, we all knew of the stories of Catholic Priests and little boys, our own gut instincts tell us it's not normal for men and women to vow not to have sexual urges and encounters. We all knew about youth and scout camps and dirty old men running them.

Yet like crowd hysteria, parents en masse sent their kids off to kiddy fiddlers and perverts hiding in plain sight. They still do!!

We mostly all recoil at the those who show little regard for children and treat them harshly for being so, but watching the coverage of the Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Abuses the other day and the casual way the clutch high ranking priests maintained confession ranked ahead of reporting confessed child abuse to police, just astounds me.

We berate the Muslims for trying it on having their own cancerous law within our own, but no one seems to cane this perverted mob for following their own cannon law invention. Of course the moral dilemma for both side of parliament is the fact most of them are Catholics themselves and doing anything punitive is akin to lopping off their own hands IMO.


watching 92 yearold Eileen the other day on the ABC morning news was spellbinding for me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-23/eileen-piper-seeks-apology-for-her-daughter/8296642
 
We berate the Muslims for trying it on having their own cancerous law within our own, but no one seems to cane this perverted mob for following their own cannon law invention.

Well, we are having a Royal Commission into the Catholic Church and it looks like a verbal caning if nothing else.

Will people be charged ? Let's hope so.
 
Well, we are having a Royal Commission into the Catholic Church and it looks like a verbal caning if nothing else.

Will people be charged ? Let's hope so.

I hope the RC is extended into the Muslim community to check if any young Muslims girls have received any genital mutilation......The RC seems to be concentrating on the Catholic church.
 
I hope the RC is extended into the Muslim community to check if any young Muslims girls have received any genital mutilation......The RC seems to be concentrating on the Catholic church.

and Anglican.

There was a fella on the ABC extending the definition to "white, anglo saxon, males" which means the Europeans and coloureds have been let off the hook...perhaps roman catholicism is not agreeable with English bloodlines?
 
I don't think we should take the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse for granted. It's been going on for years and somehow we have been inculcated to expect/accept that all the churches, orphanages, State run children institutions, Scouts, youth clubs hid child abusers and did little/nothing to bring them to account.

If we think for more than a few seconds of the effect this abuse had on children we would be horrified. Those you have had direct or indirect experience understand the situation in a way the rest of us cannot.

Do we want to ignore or gloss over these realities? I already see the institutions trying to calm people down even before the final findings are released. Lets see some justice before we put these situations out of the headlines.

Law firms swamped by historical child sexual abuse cases due to royal commisison

Australian legal firms are experiencing unprecedented demand from people who have suffered alleged child sexual abuse in institutions such as churches, schools and youth groups.

The demand has been spurred on by revelations from the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse and legal reforms which allow survivors to make a claim for damages regardless of when the abuse allegedly occurred.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/nsw...-due-to-royal-commisison-20170331-gvarge.html
 

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There was one story from the Commission that said much about the way the the Catholic Church handled the sex abuse of it's various religious orders. Well worth a read. It is horrific.

Child sex abuse royal commission: The night a group of Catholic schoolboys confronted evil
Analysis
By political editor Chris Uhlmann
Updated 7 Feb 2017, 12:09pm

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Map: Canberra 2600
About 20 boys crammed into the small hotel room in Wellington and the mood was sombre.

Marist College Canberra's First XV had gathered to hold court. The 1978 rugby tour of New Zealand was going well, but they weren't there to talk about football.

The night before an incident had profoundly shaken the group.

One of the players had been called to a Marist brother's room on the pretence of treating an injury from that day's game.

The coach tried to sexually assault the boy. He fled, told his closest friend, and word had spread quickly through the touring party.

The boys, aged between 16 and 18, called a meeting. At its end they passed a resolution: the coach was to be banned from the change room, when the team returned to Canberra, the brother was to leave the school and the Marists were called on to guarantee that he would never teach again.

The shocking incident caused one 17-year-old to question a commitment. At school's end he had resolved to leave for Sydney, to train as a priest.

So he sought the counsel of another brother travelling with the group, a popular man who ran a movie club at the school.

When the boy confided his fears about the act of a man who professed to be a model of faith he got an unexpected response.

The brother's face darkened with fury: why would your vocation be affected by the actions of one man? The boy felt ashamed of his doubts.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-07/sex-abuse-royal-commission-schoolboys-confronted-evil/8247130
 
Rumpy you asked the question reference your post #6 dated March 1 2016.

Since then nobody has shown any interest in extending the RC into the Islamic World....Not on this forum or the RC......

There is as much if not more child abuse carried out by Muslims....Genital mutilation.....9 year old child brides forced to marry much older men and it is a known fact it is going on in Australia under the Islamic Sharia law.

Is the terms of reference confined to the Catholic church or all religions?

I would also like some answers.

I just did some quick check and find the terms of reference could most definely apply to Islam as it states all religions.

So why hasn't the RC taken up the taken into account child sex abuse in the Islamic World here in Australia?

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/about-us/terms-of-
AND public and private institutions, including child-care, cultural, educational, religious, sporting and other institutions, provide important services and support for children and their families that are beneficial to children’s development.
reference
 
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Is the terms of reference confined to the Catholic church or all religions?


I'm surprised Bill Shorten hasn't been hauled before the commission to explain his role in supporting catholics.
 
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