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I'm not even going to bite there noco, that is an extremely offensive accusation.

I was merely asking whether FGM fits into the term of reference of this particular royal commission. They can't investigate issues outside of their scope, that isn't how it works.
 
Junior said:
I'm not even going to bite there noco, that is an extremely offensive accusation.

I was merely asking whether FGM fits into the term of reference of this particular royal commission. They can't investigate issues outside of their scope, that isn't how it works.
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As far as I am concerned it is very clear and the RC has included FGM under child sex abuse.

But you do your own research...Just go to go to google and you will have plenty to read about.
 
I find it strange that FGM (which is supposed to make sex less enjoyable) is allegedly popular in the Muslim community as I believed that it was their desire to breed as much as possible and eventually take over the world by pressure of population.

These two things seem contradictory.
 
SirRumpole said:
I find it strange that FGM (which is supposed to make sex less enjoyable) is allegedly popular in the Muslim community as I believed that it was their desire to breed as much as possible and eventually take over the world by pressure of population.

These two things seem contradictory.
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I don't get your logic. A Muslim woman has no choice when it comes to intercourse. The fact that she (post FGM) might find it repugnant because she can no longer enjoy the sexual pleasure that goes along with the intercourse act is irrelevant. She must do it according to Islamic law. This is one of the many reasons that religion is repugnant. But there will always be apologists for it as we know from one of the regular contributors on this thread.
 
bellenuit said:
I don't get your logic. A Muslim woman has no choice when it comes to intercourse. The fact that she (post FGM) might find it repugnant because she can no longer enjoy the sexual pleasure that goes along with the intercourse act is irrelevant. She must do it according to Islamic law. This is one of the many reasons that religion is repugnant. But there will always be apologists for it as we know from one of the regular contributors on this thread.
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I would never take SirR to be apologising for that kind of stuff. Shame SirR, shame!
 
SirRumpole said:
Below the belt old chap. I said that both fgm and circumcision are repugnant.
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Question: "What does the Bible say about circumcision? What is the Christian view of circumcision?"

Answer: Circumcision is the surgical removal of the prepuce, or foreskin, of a male. The word circumcise literally means “to cut around.” As a religious rite, circumcision was required of all of Abraham’s descendants as a sign of the covenant God made with him (Genesis 17:9–14; Acts 7:8). The Mosaic Law repeated the requirement (Leviticus 12:2–3), and Jews throughout the centuries have continued to practice circumcision (Joshua 5:2–3; Luke 1:59; Acts 16:3; Philippians 3:5). There are different issues involved in the question of whether or not males today should be circumcised. One issue is that of religious teaching: what does the Bible, God’s Word, say? Another issue is, as a matter of health, should males be circumcised? The Christian view of circumcision is probably best described as a combination of the two.

Concerning the first issue, New Testament Christians are no longer under the Old Testament Law, and circumcision is no longer required. This is brought out in a number of New Testament passages, among which are Acts 15; Galatians 2:1–3; 5:1–11; 6:11–16; 1 Corinthians 7:17–20; Colossians 2:8–12; and Philippians 3:1–3. As these passages proclaim, being delivered from our sins is the result of faith in Christ; it is Christ’s finished work on the cross that saves, not the observance of an external rite. Even the Law acknowledged that circumcision alone was insufficient to please God, who specified the need to “circumcise your hearts” (Deuteronomy 10:16; cf. Romans 2:29). In salvation, the works of the flesh accomplish nothing (see Galatians 2:16).

In Acts 16:3, Paul had a missionary helper, Timothy, circumcised. Timothy was half-Jewish, and Paul circumcised him so that he would not be a hindrance as they sought to reach out to unsaved Jews. Although the Bible did not require Timothy to be circumcised, it was something he did willing for the sake of reaching the Jews. However, as Paul states unequivocally in Galatians, circumcision does not aid either salvation or sanctification in Christ. Of course, the incident with Timothy does not directly apply today because Christians need not be circumcised in order to reach unbelievers, whether Jews or Gentiles. Once again, the principle of the circumcision of the heart is at the heart of the matter.

There are practical issues involved with circumcision as well. Some parents have their sons circumcised so that they will look like all the other males in their culture. Some parents are concerned that their son would someday be in a locker room and find himself different from everyone else. In some cultures, though, males are not commonly circumcised. There is also the issue of health. Doctors debate back and forth in regard to whether there are any health benefits to circumcision. Any parents with such concerns should definitely speak with a doctor in regards to this issue.
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Kind of a Big-Endians and Little-Endians argument. It really isn't a big deal for a baby boy if you witness it.
 
Tisme said:
Kind of a Big-Endians and Little-Endians argument. It really isn't a big deal for a baby boy if you witness it.
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We will just have to disagree here.

I suppose people could get infections or cancers in their little fingers, so should we cut those off as well ?

And I guess the religious argument can be easily dismissed. If God didn't want men to have foreskins, they wouldn't have them. QED. ;)
 
SirRumpole said:
We will just have to disagree here.

I suppose people could get infections or cancers in their little fingers, so should we cut those off as well ?

And I guess the religious argument can be easily dismissed. If God didn't want men to have foreskins, they wouldn't have them. QED. ;)
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I thought we were just going to disagree!:cool:

If GOd didn't want men to have circumcision he'd have made them girls.
 
Tisme said:
Perhaps you could petition your mates Malcolm and Tony to stop wasting money on sham Royal Commissions into Bill Shorten and focus on the real disgrace of appeasement to Rome, Mecca and Westminster. First in the docks should be the commissioners themselves.
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Tisme firstly, Turnbull is no mate of mine for as far as I am concerned the sooner he resigns or gets kicked out the better.
Secondly, although there has been one conviction of FGM, the problem is none of the recent FGM procedures have been reported by the girls for fear of repercussion from their families and the Muslim communities...There is an 1800 HOT LINE for any of those girls to report such an incident......This is where the difference comes in comparison to other religions where the victims of child abuse have come forward even 20 and 30 years later.
The RC into union corruption has proved it does exist in a big way resulting in 100 convictions and over 1000 offenses....It also brought out the $40,000 Shorten received and did not declare it until 8 years later when he was caught out.
Tisme , don't start this facetious rhetoric of yours again....I have enjoyed the break from that now for some weeks....Just keep it clean without the insinuations please.
 
noco said:
Tisme firstly, Turnbull is no mate of mine for as far as I am concerned the sooner he resigns or gets kicked out the better.
Secondly, although there has been one conviction of FGM, the problem is none of the recent FGM procedures have been reported by the girls for fear of repercussion from their families and the Muslim communities...There is an 1800 HOT LINE for any of those girls to report such an incident......This is where the difference comes in comparison to other religions where the victims of child abuse have come forward even 20 and 30 years later.
The RC into union corruption has proved it does exist in a big way resulting in 100 convictions and over 1000 offenses....It also brought out the $40,000 Shorten received and did not declare it until 8 years later when he was caught out.
Tisme , don't start this facetious rhetoric of yours again....I have enjoyed the break from that now for some weeks....Just keep it clean without the insinuations please.
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Everyone knows it was a political witch hunt. The same spite drove Campbell Newman out of Govt in QLD and the same will happen to the LNP Federally. The people elected the govt to govern, not turn into a Spanish Inquisition with organised labour and the dirty working class constantly in the cross hairs.

And whats wrong with being facetious? Most of the great orator people in history have that talent.
 
Tisme said:
Everyone knows it was a political witch hunt. The same spite drove Campbell Newman out of Govt in QLD and the same will happen to the LNP Federally. The people elected the govt to govern, not turn into a Spanish Inquisition with organised labour and the dirty working class constantly in the cross hairs.

And whats wrong with being facetious? Most of the great orator people in history have that talent.
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And what was the spite you refer to that drove Campbell Newman out of office?...Newman tried to get rid of Labor's debt of $80 billion by selling/leasing Queensland assets to break Labor's deadlock on infrastructure.......Labor and the CMFEU poured millions into the election campaign to stop something that Beattie had repeatedly done while in office...Beattie sold off $18 billion in assets during the good mining days and was still able to leave a debt of $80 billion....What hypocrites......But it was enough to persuade the naive.......Then Palaczcuk, chased the car like a dog and when she caught up with it she did not know what do to do with it and has just bumbled along since moving from one disaster to the next....She pretends to agree with the Adami coal mines but gives the Greens $600,000 to fight against it.

Clive Palmer did not help Newman's cause either.
 
noco said:
Just keep it clean without the insinuations please.
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Noco, you insinuated that I condone FGM, one page earlier in this thread. A disgusting accusation. Take your own advice before offering it to others, please.
 
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