they are self serving twats perpetuating there own agenda for their own ends... usually power or profit... do yourself a favour... dont read bullsh*t propaganda written by self interest groups riding the carbon gravy train.
buy a bloody thermometer, go to your local library archives and check the temperature & weather patterns in the local paper back as far as their archives go and to get an understanding of local temerature fluctuations and weather patterns. hell if youve got time get on the net and do it for areas all around the bloody world! in our area there are definate cycles.. a 10yr & 50yr continuous overlapping cycle at least..
google the 'climategate' leaked emails and have a read of these 'peer reviewed' scientests who push the AGW theory... and thats all it is a theory...to see what an absolute self serving "i'll scatch your back if you scratch mine" joke they are! go and read some alternative viewpoints like MITs richard lidzen or australias own geology professor Ian plimer for an alternative viewpoint... believe me ive researched both sides before coming to my conclusion.... HAVE YOU???????????????????????
THE MAIN AGW WEAPON "MANNS HOCKEYSTICK GRAPH" HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE BOGUS!!
only sheep follow the leaders bleating blindly without ever questioning it
only sheep follow the leaders bleating blindly without ever questioning it
Even with the current cold snap, 2010 will likely be one of the three warmest years since 1850 - globally it has been a warm year.*europe in a deep freeze[
*america experiencing coldest consequtive winters in years....
As I'm sure you are aware there is currently a strong la Nina in force, a similar situation was last seen about 35 years ago, that also coincided with the last time widespread rainfall and flooding of this magnitude was witnessed on the eastern seaboard. La Nina also sees more cloud cover and onshore winds that reduce temperatures, evaporation of rainfall also reduces the temperature too.*coldest australian november in 35yrs
*biggest rainfall on aus east coast since 1900
The work by McIntyre was one of the first to find issue with Mann's work, and that issue was not with the data, but with the methodology he used with the Principal Component Analysis (PCA) statistics he used. They claimed that the PCA used produced the hockey stick from the noise that was the tree ring data. Analysis of McIntyre's work and the highly plagiarised Wegman report to US Congress largely based on McIntyre's work have some questions being asked of them e.g., e.g.THE MAIN AGW WEAPON "MANNS HOCKEYSTICK GRAPH" HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE BOGUS!!
Actually the man made CO2 is around 3-4% of the global CO2 exhalations. The natural CO2 cycle is in equilibrium, a state it has managed to find over a very long period of time where the CO2 sinks take up CO2 at the same rate that it is emitted. Now we have upset that in two ways, 1. we are releasing additional CO2 into the atmosphere and 2. through deforestation and land use we are degrading the carbon sinks.carbon IS NOT A POLLUTANT it is the basis of all life on earth, its plant food, the building blocks of life.. we wouldnt exist without it and man made CO2 only makes up 0.02% of the total carbon dioxide released into the earths atmosphere, the rest (99.98%) is natural... volcanoes, decomposing vegetation, even bloody white ants (termites) release more than we do...
Actually the man made CO2 is around 3-4% of the global CO2 exhalations. The natural CO2 cycle is in equilibrium, a state it has managed to find over a very long period of time where the CO2 sinks take up CO2 at the same rate that it is emitted. Now we have upset that in two ways, 1. we are releasing additional CO2 into the atmosphere and 2. through deforestation and land use we are degrading the carbon sinks.
Here is an analogy for you. Say you have a 2000 litre water tank with 1000 litres in it. It has a hole in the bottom that drains water at 1 litre per hour and a tap runs into it adding 1 litre per hour. The water level in the tank will remain constant, right? Now what happens if someone gives the tap a nudge so it is now running at 1.1 litres per hour and at the same time a leaf falls into the tank, settles to the bottom and partially obscures the hole so it only leaks at 0.9 litres per hour?
True, we wouldn't exist without carbon, it's ability to form long chain organic molecules is why it is the molecular backbone of life on Earth. But too much of a good thing isn't always a good thing. It's a bit of a double edged sword. Plants have two methods of fixing carbon, the C4 method (~25% of the food crop) is optimised and increasing CO2 has no real benefit whereas the C3 plants (~75% of food plants and includes wheat) have a less efficient method of fixing carbon and will benefit in both productivity (though recent trials have shown the increase is less than was expected) and as the stomata have to be open less to acquire the necessary CO2 the plants will require less water too. One of the negatives of increased atmospheric CO2 is that nitrogen intake is inhibited and as a result the nutritional value of the plant declines. This has the obvious consequences for humans in addition to both livestock and plant pests having to eat more to achieve their nutritional requirements.
At the end of the day atmospheric CO2 is rising at relatively significant rates, there is no escaping this. There is also no escaping that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Really excellent post Derty.
Particularly like your link with the numerous other studies which clearly demonstrated that Global temperatures are going up very sharply. Isn't it curious that these other measures of global waming arn't mentioned ? But I wouldn't be holding my breath for a Road to Damascas conversion...
http://greensmps.org.au/content/med...mate-india-and-china-leaving-australia-behind
Greens Deputy Leader Christine Milne:
...China is powering ahead of Australia in closing polluting industry and investing in renewables and efficiency.
"As developing countries, neither China nor India should be expected to act before Australia does, and yet they are both leaving us far behind them...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...-reactor-builders-risk-know-how-for-cash.html
Bloomberg News:
According to Michael Kruse, consultant on nuclear systems for Arthur D. Little, the Chinese are ready to spend $511 billion to build up to 245 reactors.
“The market is being driven by the construction of new reactors, and it is no secret that most of those are right here in China,” says Fletcher T. Newton, an executive vice-president of Uranium One, a mining company.
I am sceptical because of carbon taxes and the attitude of those promoting such taxes. There may be a problem, but I don't see that those promoting carbon taxes are one bit concerned about their own carbon footprints. Al Gore is a classic. Julia Gillard didn't seem bothered when she flew the breadth of Australia for some back slapping on climate change. (Link was posted some time ago on this thread).
So there are probably two separate issues. IF there is a problem with GW (and I'm not convinced), it should not be used as an excuse for further taxes which also further escalate our living costs. And it is doubtful whether carbon taxes from Australia will actually do the slightest bit of good.
IF there is a problem, there would have to be more sensible ways to deal with it other than lining government and other people's pockets with unnecessary taxes.
From the tone of most posts on the topic it is evident that a lot of non believers are non believers because they fear that believing will cost them money. Just because some opportunists are using "believing" to cash in on the business of prevention does not prove the case one way or the other.
One of the new risks Munich Re is tracking is climate change. The company has the world’s most comprehensive database on natural disasters, with information going back centuries. It shows that the frequency of serious floods worldwide has more than tripled since 1980, while hurricanes and other severe windstorms have doubled.
“Global warming is real, and it affects our business,” says Peter Hoppe, who heads the company’s climate-change research.
Yeah it's great stuff when handled properly. There is a US group that sells small contained reactors about 1.5m across that cost about $50M and can power about 20,000 homes for 7 to 10 years.The SBS show last night said the 171m long submarine USS Pennsylvania had been running for 21 years on a piece of uranium the size of a fist.
Go and tell that to all the people on pensions, and other very low incomes, who are already doing all they can to stem their rising electricity bills.Fortunately most of us can lower our carbon emissions as an unintended consequence of cutting costs or improving our lives in other ways. Turning stand-by power appliances off at the wall can make a startling reduction to power use: as power prices rise the dollar savings get greater. Walking or biking have fitness and financial advantages over driving. Home grown food beats supermarket vegetables for flavour, freshness, and variety, partly because most people try to build up the living and organic matter in their soils and incidentally create myriad little carbon cycles.
Ghoti
Totally agreed there. There's nothing at all unusual about finding a pensioner with a $750 power bill (for one quarter). Not unusual at all and it is the reality of the situation.We have old people using torches to get round their homes at night because they can't afford to turn on the lights, and a single portable gas burner because they can't afford the stove or oven. They are going without essential medication to buy food or keep a beloved pet. They simply do not have the level of choices you are implying.
Go and talk with a few welfare agencies, Ghoti. Allow them to describe to you the distressed people who come to them for assistance, reluctantly with pride damaged. All very well for middle class Australians who have an unassailable belief that putting a price on carbon will make some magical difference to climate change, the anthropogenic component of which is yet to be established. But spare a thought for those less fortunate.
The SBS show last night said the 171m long submarine USS Pennsylvania had been running for 21 years on a piece of uranium the size of a fist.
Totally agreed there. There's nothing at all unusual about finding a pensioner with a $750 power bill (for one quarter). Not unusual at all and it is the reality of the situation.
Great research Derty. A very cool (and carbon free) energy solution. At 0.10 per kWh, the price is cheap, although I guess there'd be amortization of the installation cost to add to that.Yeah it's great stuff when handled properly. There is a US group that sells small contained reactors about 1.5m across that cost about $50M and can power about 20,000 homes for 7 to 10 years.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hyperion's_Small-Scale_Nuclear_Reactors (Thanks to Derty for the link.)
Costs
10 cents per KW hour. Each neighborhood plant will cost $25 million USD for 10,000 household or $2500 per household.
Hyperion offers a 30% reduction in capital costs from conventional gigawatt reactor installations (from US$2,000 per kW to US$1,400 per kW). Hyperion also offers more than a 50% reduction in operating costs (based on costs for field-generation of steam in heavy oil recovery operations), from US$7 per million BTU for natural gas to US$3 per million BTU for Hyperion. The possibility of mass production, operation and standardization of design for the Hyperion power module allows for significant savings.
Logique, here is a further link where Spain has proved wind farms are a dead loss. There are now over 500 nuclear power plants around the world. Have you heard of any problems apart from the Chernobal distaster years ago?
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http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/spring01/reactors.html
A new, fourth generation of nuclear reactors””the General Atomics GT-MHR and the South African PBMR””is ready to replace the standard reactors that have been producing power for 40 years. These new high-temperature reactors are almost 50 percent more efficient than conventional nuclear reactors, and supersafe.
I assure you that it happens all the time. Why would you doubt what Smurf says? Where in the entire existence of this forum have you ever found Smurf to be other than completely factual and reasonable in what he says?That's just not true...households with $3000 annual power bills would be most certainly deemed to be unusual, in fact i would think it very unusual, especially households occupied by pensioners.
I would be interested to know if anyone on this forum has ever paid $3000 over a 12 month period for power....i just cant imagine a situation where its possible without a 2000w radiator in every room running 24/7 for 10 months of the year.
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